Kings @ Clippers Game Thread
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I don't see anything about this "gelling". It was one game. Hard to tell anything, but our offense was never really an issue. We're averaging right around 100 points a game - hardly anything to scoff at.
We still gave up 93 points to a team that normally scores around 95 or 96.
That's absurd. Any team with a legit superstar (and there are only 2 or 3) isn't going to trade them. Any team with a "media superstar" (there are about 10 of those) aren't going to trade them for Reef and Peja.
We still gave up 93 points to a team that normally scores around 95 or 96.
That's absurd. Any team with a legit superstar (and there are only 2 or 3) isn't going to trade them. Any team with a "media superstar" (there are about 10 of those) aren't going to trade them for Reef and Peja.
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Well, how about a one game roll. 
In the last one game we are tied for the best record in the NBA! Woot!
In the last one game we are tied for the best record in the NBA! Woot!
I'm just reading through the thread and think the knee jerk reactions are funny to borderline ridiculous.
Now we're saying the best thing for the team is to trade everyone and build around our two worst defenders? We should be starting a 6'7" PF in the west?
Come on.
The problems are not Reef. The problems are not Peja. The problems are not Bonzi.
No, that's where I think you are wrong. There are many problems, but of our starters it is precisely Peja and Reef who are one-dimensional as forwards, and incidentally largely responsible for our rebounding woes (Brad of course too, although he's been improving recently). 4 of the 5 starters have been disappointments so far, but most problematic of all have been our two score but not much else forwards stuggling to have an impact on the game.
Before the season began, my list of expendable starters in order of most expendable to least would have been Peja, Brad, Bibby. Now having watched them play my expanded list from most to least is Peja, SAR, Brad, Bibby, Bonzi. Mike and Brad are not going to go 40-10 and 20-10 with any regularity, but they have both been very good in our system as recently as last season and their two man game bears some passing resemblance to the potent Bibby/Webb pairing of bygone days. Their defensive limitations absolutely dictate you need to surround them with defensive stalwarts, but they are basically the only two pieces we have that we KNOW are not mismatched + can work together.
Before the season began, my list of expendable starters in order of most expendable to least would have been Peja, Brad, Bibby. Now having watched them play my expanded list from most to least is Peja, SAR, Brad, Bibby, Bonzi. Mike and Brad are not going to go 40-10 and 20-10 with any regularity, but they have both been very good in our system as recently as last season and their two man game bears some passing resemblance to the potent Bibby/Webb pairing of bygone days. Their defensive limitations absolutely dictate you need to surround them with defensive stalwarts, but they are basically the only two pieces we have that we KNOW are not mismatched + can work together.
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Again, Reef is beating his man on most nights. You can't ask much more than having your player severely outperform their man on the opposite end. This is regardless of how many rebounds he's pulling. If his man isn't beating us then he's pretty much doing his job. It'd be nice to see more rebounds - but I hardly think the reason we're losing is because Reef isn't pulling 3 extra rebounds.
Peja is also one of the players that seems to be doing better than his man.
Mike Bibby and Brad Miller have both been being outperformed respectively by their man.
So, I have a hard time placing the blame on Peja and Reef.
I won't say much for Peja, as I really don't watch him intently. But, I will say I think that's an unfair statement for Reef.
Reef has played damn good defense this year. He's stopping his man, elite or not ... and he's scoring efficiently. He's not getting a high number of rebounds, and that's pretty pathetic ... but he's doing other things. To say he isn't impacting the game is unfair.
Let me ask what Brad and Bibby are doing that is impressive?
It certainly isn't keeping their man in front of them on defense.
Who cares? Our offense isn't not our issue. It hasn't been all year long. We're putting up points with regularity ... and that's without help from the bench.
Our issue is defense, defense, defense. I know you mention it, but if you surround Reef and Peja with defenders - I'm sure they'll work pretty well too.
Our offense may have been prettier this past game - but they were still awful on defense.
Peja is also one of the players that seems to be doing better than his man.
Mike Bibby and Brad Miller have both been being outperformed respectively by their man.
So, I have a hard time placing the blame on Peja and Reef.
I won't say much for Peja, as I really don't watch him intently. But, I will say I think that's an unfair statement for Reef.
Reef has played damn good defense this year. He's stopping his man, elite or not ... and he's scoring efficiently. He's not getting a high number of rebounds, and that's pretty pathetic ... but he's doing other things. To say he isn't impacting the game is unfair.
Let me ask what Brad and Bibby are doing that is impressive?
It certainly isn't keeping their man in front of them on defense.
Who cares? Our offense isn't not our issue. It hasn't been all year long. We're putting up points with regularity ... and that's without help from the bench.
Our issue is defense, defense, defense. I know you mention it, but if you surround Reef and Peja with defenders - I'm sure they'll work pretty well too.
Our offense may have been prettier this past game - but they were still awful on defense.
He does. And its a huge problem.
But there are two problems with replacing Brad. 1) He's a center. And there are very few good ones, let alone ones available. 2) He has a unique skillset. One of the very few big men in the league who can pass, shoot, and most critically "see the game". Not as well as Webb or Vlade, but better than just about everybody else. It makes replacing him a move with much greater ramifications than replacing one of our soft passionless scorers.
But there are two problems with replacing Brad. 1) He's a center. And there are very few good ones, let alone ones available. 2) He has a unique skillset. One of the very few big men in the league who can pass, shoot, and most critically "see the game". Not as well as Webb or Vlade, but better than just about everybody else. It makes replacing him a move with much greater ramifications than replacing one of our soft passionless scorers.
Very true, but you have to at least look into it, and see who you might be able to get. If no one that can be as good as him, just more mobile, then keep him. But, it's something we REALLy need to start looking at, even if it means drafting someone with the skillset we want, and priming him. I don't think Brad has much longer left on those wheels as a starter.
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