Kings @ Clippers Game Thread

[GameBall]

Ok here is what I gathered from tonights game. Peja is expendable. There is definitely something to this whole chemistry thing. The guys tonight gelled way better, even though it was half the bench.

For some reason this set read eachother better. So this is my proposition. Keep Bonzi. Trade SAR and Peja and bring us the superstar that we need. Address a more athletic big man in the offseason and resign bonzi.

Sounds good to me! We are playing our best games of the year without Peja. Peja has given us some great years, but has faded away the last two years (zero production in the fourth quarter, playing with no heart, and everything else I've said a thousand times). But you know Adelman will go back to his regular substitution patterns when Peja comes back and the athletic spark of Garcia and Martin and the veteran poise of Williamson will be diminished because they are on the bench.

 

[DocHolliday]

yeah, the chemistry thing matters. I don't think the players have to all be best friends, but on court chemistry is a must. And tonight we had it. Tonight we looked like a TEAM, a cohesive unit with a shared goal. I had almost forgotten how good that can look! I agree with trading Peja, but I like SAR. I'd be tempted to keep him and ship Peja off with one/some of the dynamic trio from Philly.

I like SAR to, but kenny while not scoring much played a good role. We could address another PF in the future. I think tonight was part chemistry, and partly the curse of SAR being off the court. First game SAR misses and we look like a cohesive unit??

With that said I'm all for keeping SAR. But, if we trade peja, and the curse of SAR finds itself to be a reality, we just missed our shot to possibly bring in a decently big name. I mean curses can happen. Like Morgan Freeeman. If you are in a movie with him he kills your career from that point on. Go do the research on imdb.com.

 

[piksi]

Sounds good to me! We are playing our best games of the year without Peja.

how about some specific examples

 

[VF21]

Ok here is what I gathered from tonights game. Peja is expendable. There is definitely something to this whole chemistry thing. The guys tonight gelled way better, even though it was half the bench.

For some reason this set read eachother better. So this is my proposition. Keep Bonzi. Trade SAR and Peja and bring us the superstar that we need. Address a more athletic big man in the offseason and resign bonzi.

I pretty much agree right down the line.

It wasn't about effort; it was about the pieces fitting together and complementing each other.

Tonight, Brad and Mike played off each other like they used to. They drew the youngsters (Kevin and Cisco) into their game and the pieces fit quite nicely. KT wasn't quite as good a fit, but he didn't hinder anything either.

I saw a team dynamic tonight that has been sorely missing. If I'm Adelman and I still have a job when the three starters are ready to come back, I try them one at a time and see what happens.

That was KINGS basketball. It was a welcome sight for these old eyes.

 

[SacTownKid]

Well, I am not ready to say this is the team of the future, but if this team continues to do well then I will fire Adelman myself if he goes back to his old substitution pattern.

We still have some major problems. For one we need a good paint defender, we got hammered in the paint tonight. Our perimeter D made up for the difference, but we didn't defend the paint well at all. Thank goodness the guys were aggresive at the other end and got to the line tonight.

 

[VF21]

how about some specific examples

Oh, come on, piksi. Peja has not been a positive influence in any game this year that I can remember. The closest might have been last night, when he came out on fire - until he got the owie.

Peja is no longer a good fit for our team. And I think he knows it even if some of us don't.

 

[JJ22L]

I actually think that the Kings have a good chance of pulling this win out..heres why:

Lets see who the Kings have lost to...and everybody isnt the correct answer here...

Hornets-L
Knicks - L
Houston - L
Charlotte - L
Portland - L

And Who they have beat-

Suns- W
Nuggets - W
Bucks - W
Nets- W
Seattle- W
T-Wolves- W

And were really close against the mavs and Spurs

See a relationship here? Im not saying we are a good team...but the trend seems to be - like in the past years the kings always play down or up depending on who we are playing. The kings ALWAYS play better when there is a superstar on the court to dictate the tempo...its just a shame that superstar is always on the other end of the court, in crunch time, when it matters.

Thusly...i think this trend will continue and since the clippers are a good team with an Brand type player..i think we have a shot.

Yea- thats right...you can call me JJ22Ltradamus from now on

 

[GameBall]

I mean curses can happen. Like Morgan Freeeman. If you are in a movie with him he kills your career from that point on. Go do the research on imdb.com.[/quote]

Brad Pitt's career has been D.O.A. since he appeared with Morgan Freeman in "Seven"

 

[Sparky]

I mean curses can happen. Like Morgan Freeeman. If you are in a movie with him he kills your career from that point on.

That kills me! LOL!

 

[Sparky]

I mean curses can happen. Like Morgan Freeeman. If you are in a movie with him he kills your career from that point on. Go do the research on imdb.com.

Brad Pitt's career has been D.O.A. since he appeared with Morgan Freeman in "Seven"[/quote]

Was he in that horrible pirate movie with Geena Davis? Cuz that really sent her career down the toilet.

 

[piksi]

Oh, come on, piksi. Peja has not been a positive influence in any game this year that I can remember.

You kidding me ?

Strange since you were the one doing pbp when Kings beat Suns or Bucks or Nuggets, Jazz, Sonics or Hornets. You are free to check all those pbp threads for reference.
That would be 6 out of 11 wins we have. Had some good games that we lost - Sonics or Knicks on top of my head. been hurt all season long. Has not played nearly as well as in the past but - come on - seriously

 

[GameBall]

Brad Pitt's career has been D.O.A. since he appeared with Morgan Freeman in "Seven"

Was he in that horrible pirate movie with Geena Davis? Cuz that really sent her career down the toilet.[/quote]

Matthew Modine was in "Cutthroat Island" with Geena Davis. Never saw it, but I heard it was pretty bad.

 

[sidshwsito]

Wat We Actually Won Dis Game (in The Stripes Dat Is).... So Der Is God! I SHOULD KEEP SAYING dAT we WouLd Loose (we Won didnt we)... OH and dont bother wit my grammar, i lyk to kip it shrt

 

[PixelPusher]

I mean curses can happen. Like Morgan Freeeman. If you are in a movie with him he kills your career from that point on. Go do the research on imdb.com. Brad Pitt's career has been D.O.A. since he appeared with Morgan Freeman in "Seven"

Millions of penguins are in deep, deep trouble.

 

[GameBall]

Originally Posted by piksi
how about some specific examples

Oh, come on, piksi. Peja has not been a positive influence in any game this year that I can remember. The closest might have been last night, when he came out on fire - until he got the owie.

Peja is no longer a good fit for our team. And I think he knows it even if some of us don't.

Oh, come on, piksi. Peja has not been a positive influence in any game this year that I can remember. The closest might have been last night, when he came out on fire - until he got the owie.

Peja is no longer a good fit for our team. And I think he knows it even if some of us don't.

When Peja was out last Thursday against the Mavericks, you saw more athleticism and more effort. We only lost that game because Dirk Nowitzki was unstoppable near the end.

 

[VF21]

You kidding me ?

Strange since you were the one doing pbp when Kings beat Suns or Bucks or Nuggets or Hornets. You are free to check all those pbp threads for reference.
That would be 4 out of 11 wins we have. Had some good games that we lost - Sonics or Knicks on top of my head. been hurt all season long. Has not played nearly as well as in the past but - come on - seriously

Perhaps "positive influence" wasn't the right phrase. I do not remember any games where it was Peja that clearly made the difference.

Sorry, piksi, but Peja is expendable. And, at this point, I truly believe he is more of a hindrance than a help. The Kings need to learn to get along without relying on a spotty outside shooter who seems to have become more injury prone than even a certain former player now defying the odds in a city of brotherly love.

 

[Bricklayer]

Ok here is what I gathered from tonights game. Peja is expendable. There is definitely something to this whole chemistry thing. The guys tonight gelled way better, even though it was half the bench.

For some reason this set read eachother better. So this is my proposition. Keep Bonzi. Trade SAR and Peja and bring us the superstar that we need. Address a more athletic big man in the offseason and resign bonzi.

That is not too far off my favored scenario, or part of it.

 

[piksi]

Perhaps "positive influence" wasn't the right phrase. I do not remember any games where it was Peja that clearly made the difference.

again - check Your own PBP threads if You don't remember.

and anyone is expendable ona 11-17 team

 

[GameBall]

Perhaps "positive influence" wasn't the right phrase. I do not remember any games where it was Peja that clearly made the difference.

Sorry, piksi, but Peja is expendable. And, at this point, I truly believe he is more of a hindrance than a help. The Kings need to learn to get along without relying on a spotty outside shooter who seems to have become more injury prone than even a certain former player now defying the odds in a city of brotherly love.

Peja's nagging injuries are not going to help him in his contract year.

 

[love_them_kings]

Perhaps "positive influence" wasn't the right phrase. I do not remember any games where it was Peja that clearly made the difference.

Sorry, piksi, but Peja is expendable. And, at this point, I truly believe he is more of a hindrance than a help. The Kings need to learn to get along without relying on a spotty outside shooter who seems to have become more injury prone than even a certain former player now defying the odds in a city of brotherly love.

who happens to be in 5th place in average minutes per game in the NBA this year. Averaging 40 minutes a game... dang, and we thought Adelman overworked him!

I agree about Peja. Peja fit better with the Kings of old, and it's time to move him before we end up losing him & getting nothing in return.

 

[love_them_kings]

Peja's nagging injuries are not going to help him in his contract year.

Very True. Not much of what has happened this year has helped Peja's trade value.

 

[bibbinator]

I don't have all the info but think about the games where the Kings have looked good, win or lose, and ask where was Peja?

Tonight - no Peja
Mavs - no Peja
TWolves - no Peja
Detroit - no Peja
Spurs - no Peja

I think I'm recalling correctly.

I wouldn't be devastated if SAR went, but I think he's a contributor. He and Bonzi work well together.

Peja needs a change of scenery.

 

[VF21]

Wat We Actually Won Dis Game (in The Stripes Dat Is).... So Der Is God! I SHOULD KEEP SAYING dAT we WouLd Loose (we Won didnt we)... OH and dont bother wit my grammar, i lyk to kip it shrt

If you're going to post around here, please use grammar that everyone else can understand...

I lyk 2 kp it understandable.

 

[Sparky]

Peja's nagging injuries are not going to help him in his contract year.

I don't mean to discount Peja's injuries, but the guy just looks like he does not really want to be out there. He has "I'm just here for the food" written all over his game this year. Now, being hurt can take the starch out of anyone, and maybe that's it. Still, I believe there must be another player like Bonzi who really wants a chance to show their stuff and is willing to do it here in Sac.

 

[VF21]

again - check Your own PBP threads if You don't remember.

and anyone is expendable ona 11-17 team

I shouldn't have to check the PBP threads to remember whether or not Peja has had a game where he clearly made a difference in the outcome.

I'm sorry but I stand by my comments. I don't understand what point you're trying to make...

Peja was once an integral part of our team. That ship has sailed IMHO. I will always remember the beauty of his threes from around the garlic fries stand and how breath-taking it was to watch him shoot, with nary a thought that his shot might not be good. For whatever it's worth, I haven't watched him shoot with any kind of confidence in the outcome at all this year - and that's not a good thing for a shooter.

I'm being honest, piksi. I'm not bashing Peja, I'm just saying what I - as a Kings fan of 20+ years - feel.

 

[JJ22L]

If you're going to post around here, please use grammar that everyone else can understand...

I lyk 2 kp it understandable.

.....LOL

 

[GameBall]

Peja's strength is the three point shot (when his game is on, usually in the first quarter, never ever in crunchtime). It would be nice if we could trade Peja for a role player who specializes in the three point shot and nothing else who could be a shooter off the bench (i.e. Voshon Lenard).

 

[GameBall]

I don't mean to discount Peja's injuries, but the guy just looks like he does not really want to be out there. He has "I'm just here for the food" written all over his game this year. Now, being hurt can take the starch out of anyone, and maybe that's it. Still, I believe there must be another player like Bonzi who really wants a chance to show their stuff and is willing to do it here in Sac.

Call me crazy, but I would not be surprised if Peja retires at the end of the season the way Barry Sanders retired young.

 

[piksi]

I'm sorry but I stand by my comments. I don't understand what point you're trying to make...

I made my point and You know it

 

[BMiller52]

Ok here is what I gathered from tonights game. Peja is expendable. There is definitely something to this whole chemistry thing. The guys tonight gelled way better, even though it was half the bench.

For some reason this set read eachother better. So this is my proposition. Keep Bonzi. Trade SAR and Peja and bring us the superstar that we need. Address a more athletic big man in the offseason and resign bonzi.

I agree 100% with you Doc. Reef and Peja IMO need to go, because Brad is really good and we need to get an athletic big man behind him BUT we also need that star.

Random thoughts:

Kevin and Cisco have a lot of talent. I enjoyed watching them play A LOT. Mike looked like the old Mike again, it was great to watch . Brad isn't a bad rebounder, he's starting to get them boards again. He's not GOOD but he's not BAD either.