Kings active in trade talks?
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twslam07
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I don't get the impression that Boston is actively trying to shop Rondo. There have actually been talks about Ainge extending him. I'm not really sure what to make of the Rondo situation as it seems like there have been many conflicting reports. If I had to take a stab at it, I would say Ainge is willing to trade Rondo if he gets great value for him, and if he doesn't, he'll try to extend him and have him be the main piece for his rebuilding team.
bloom
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I don't think that they're actively shopping him, but I do think that they do listen to calls and there might be a opportunity to get him. They're going thru a rebuild right now and I'm not sure if Rondo would be interested in being a part of that process (depending how long the process lasts, maybe Rondo will stay)...I guess we'll have to wait and find out, but I do believe there might be a opportunity that if the right package or if Rondo doesn't want to agree to an extension that he could be changing teams.
ParniValjak
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Outside of Rondo, he is probably one guy I would go after. He is a very good defender, can run the team and he would more comfortably fit as the 3rd option on this team than IT. It also allows us a bit more flexibility with the type of player we could have at SG. Rather than a strict 3 and D guy if IT is your PG, you could probably go with a good defender who can also give you 12-15ppg. It opens up the door for McLemore in the long run and might make Thornton more useful and effective than he has been this season. This would make him more tradeable than he is now.
Uncia03
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Yep the Lowry thing is interesting.
Were we interested in him when we made the Rudy trade?
Were the Raptors asking for too much or were we trying to low-ball them?
Do Rudy and Lowry get along? If they don't, then unfortunately you can't go in that direction.
One of our new assistant coaches was with the Raptors for a very long time, so he probably has a very good feel for Lowry and I would imagine has good input as to whether we'd go after him. I really like Lowry and would love to bring him on board, but since we already made one trade with the Raptors you have to wonder what was going on to prevent us getting him in that initial deal.
Bricklayer
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Just sayin'.
Square pegs for square pegs, both sides might get pieces that fit better/they are familiar with. We gain defense they gain guys who play their style. We gain size, and have a huge frontcourt that still has multiple small/stretch 4 options. We advance as Asia's team/an international team. They get the best player, we get the best defender. We shorten our obligations to all end after next year.
Entity
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Yeah I would definitely ask rudy about Lowry first
TheBadGuy
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I doubt it's Lowry, maybe it's DeRozan.
Entity
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I was thinking the same.
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KingMilz
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Not bad since Asik/Lin if they don't work out come off contract after next season anyway, I think Lin's ability to drive and kick would be very good here. Can we afford the spike in Lin/Asik contract with DMC getting a extension and Rudy Gay getting 19mil next season? We would be way over the cap would we not?
Just sayin'.
Square pegs for square pegs, both sides might get pieces that fit better/they are familiar with. We gain defense they gain guys who play their style. We gain size, and have a huge frontcourt that still has multiple small/stretch 4 options. We advance as Asia's team/an international team. They get the best player, we get the best defender. We shorten our obligations to all end after next year.
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Gonna have to pay somebody at pg next year
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KingMilz
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Making 15 million or just under both he and Asik next year.......that's a lot of money maybe we are better off riding out MT's contract or trying to move him next year. I like the pieces we get in the trade but damn that's a lot of money.
whozit
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That's a lot of money, but it doesn't all count against the cap. The cap hit on each is around 8 million not the 15 million they will be paid. If the owners don't mind paying the salary, that's on them.
Entity
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well MT would make 8.5 mil next year and landry 6.5 and IT at least 6 thats 20 mil so we come out better with the 15 mil. thats with this particular trade scenerio
Hadlowe
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Just sayin'.
Square pegs for square pegs, both sides might get pieces that fit better/they are familiar with. We gain defense they gain guys who play their style. We gain size, and have a huge frontcourt that still has multiple small/stretch 4 options. We advance as Asia's team/an international team. They get the best player, we get the best defender. We shorten our obligations to all end after next year.
Lin doesn't hit the nail on the head for point guard. He is a better defender than IT due to length and ball pressure, but is still questionable with the ball himself, mediocre from outside and wants to score on the drive. For all his faults, the fact that IT can light it up from outside is the one thing that makes him a halfway decent complement to a low post presence like Cousins.
The one thing that Lin is much better at than Thomas is the pick and roll where Thomas is only okay. Lin ran that to good effect in New York with Tyson Chandler and with Asik in Houston. Cousins has better hands and can finish around the rim or in the mid-range better than either of those two. There's no reason why a pick and roll offense couldn't work with Cousins and Lin.
Gary
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Well if we draft and then trade the player we pick.... That would technically still be trading our pick, but you're right, they probably have no idea what they're talking about and are probably referring to trading the actual pick before the player is taken.
randymoss1881
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Jeremy Lin is an underrated pg that I would love on this team. He is surprisingly good at defense and he is great in pick and roll. I'm sure Houston isn't trying to pay him 14mill to back up Beverly.
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I think at that point it's trading a player though. Not sure
whozit
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I believe you are correct.
macadocious
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It would be an agreement before the draft to trade the rights to our draft pick, which means that team X tells us who to draft for them in that slot.
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NewArena
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Im not sure I'd get rid of IT
Just sayin'.
Square pegs for square pegs, both sides might get pieces that fit better/they are familiar with. We gain defense they gain guys who play their style. We gain size, and have a huge frontcourt that still has multiple small/stretch 4 options. We advance as Asia's team/an international team. They get the best player, we get the best defender. We shorten our obligations to all end after next year.
He'd be perfect off the bench one day. Im willing to be patient with him
Bricklayer
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He almost can't come off the bench for us financially after this season.
Basically we have two giant contracts next year, and we're going to have to pay IT major money. Not $12mil I would think, but a lot. Maybe $8mil? I dunno. At that point there is no way we can afford another big $$ PG to come in to platoon with him so that we end up spending $15+mil on our PGs, and there are very few non-big$$ PGs we would possibly convince IT, or anyone, that they should be starting over him.
I agree. We either accept IT as our starting PG and fill in the gaps around him OR we trade him before he commands a starter's salary.
twslam07
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Just sayin'.
Square pegs for square pegs, both sides might get pieces that fit better/they are familiar with. We gain defense they gain guys who play their style. We gain size, and have a huge frontcourt that still has multiple small/stretch 4 options. We advance as Asia's team/an international team. They get the best player, we get the best defender. We shorten our obligations to all end after next year.
You realize this trade would bring our payroll up to $88 mil next year (including our 1st round pick's salary)? Considering the luxury tax level is rumored to be set at $75.7 mil next year, that means we are $12.3 mil over the luxury tax level. This results in $22 mil in taxes we would have to pay. That brings our total payroll to $110 mil. That's quite an investment for a small market team. For that reason alone, I would say this trade isn't realistic, but who knows? Maybe we do have extremely deep pockets now.
Bricklayer
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Should not be that dramatic.
three guys in would make $31.3mil next year
three guys out would make $14.9 + ITs salary, so maybe $23mil? So about $8mi in actual extra payroll.
And I beleive that those balloon contracts only count $8mil each against the cap? If that is true we would actually have effectively LESS money against our cap next year: $8mil +$8mil +$1.3mil = $17.3mil or so. Whereas the guys sent out like I say could come in at around $23mil.
I could be wrong about the cap effects as those balloon things are a mess I wish they would outlaw. But I thin that's the way that works -- the contract gets averaged out as far as capspace goes.
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