Kings active in trade talks?

[Chubbs]

Why would anyone trade for jimmer when he'll be available to anyone for very little this summer?

 

[Glenn]

Why would anyone trade for jimmer when he'll be available to anyone for very little this summer?

Or IT for that matter.

 

[TheBadGuy]

However poopooty this deal is, hear me out:

We get Bynum and Waiters for Ben Mac and a couple fillers

Cleveland does it because they offload two players they've been trying to get rid of and they will probably get two top 12 picks in the upcoming draft anyways.

Kings do it to get an automatic rim protector (no matter how poopooty Bynum is, his size and defensive awareness allows him to be a great post defender). We lose a potentially great player in Ben Mac but at this point, he looks completely lost in the NBA. It would take him another 2-3 years to finally adjust to the league and then there's still that question whether he will keep on keeping until that time comes (confidence wise).
Waiters has been averaging around 15 points in his first two seasons in the NBA. Cleveland is getting rid of him only because him and Irving don't mesh together. I personally think that Waiters has a big upside. Plus, this trade will motivate him to work even harder and to prove all the disbelievers wrong. I think we could get a potential 20+ player on our hands. Obviously I don't think he'd average that much with Gay and Cousins but he would have the potential for it on nights when those two either aren't playing or are not in the zone.

Then, we get Andre Miller to be a backup point for IT/starter on nights like last night for a Thornton or something.

SG fixed: Waiters is a currently a much better SG all around than Ben Mac.
Rim protector fixed: Bynum could be the worst trade for us in the last 20 years or it could be the best... It's a toss up really but it would include a package of Waiters which I wouldn't mind at all. Cleveland would also like a guy like Ben Mac who is a hard worker and would most likely mesh well with the whole squad, especially Irving.
Backup point/defensive point fixed: We get Andre Miller. He's not a superstar. He's getting pretty damn old. He's slow. He's not athletic at all. He isn't a world class defender.
OK Got all that out of our system. While he may not be any of those things, he adds experience which is something this team really lacks. While Cousins is the leader of the squad, you need another player to control the game or lead the players off court. Much like a Sam Cassell or Vlade Divac to their Kevin Garnett and Chris Webber. A facilitator if you will....

The best part is....We still get a draft pick! For all we know, we could end up getting the #1 draft pick if luck is on our side. If we do, we could possibly offload a Bynum or Rudy Gay for a Wiggins or Embiid later on down the road. Plus, a second round pick which there will be plenty of good players in the draft so a backup combo guard to IT/Andre Miller and Waiters would be a nice deal. Just some food for thought.
I hear a lot of people mentioning Sanders and I would be extremely happy to get him as well. Albeit, I have a hard time seeing the Bucks giving him up. They have a decent chance of getting the #1 overall draft pick and if they decide to go for an Embiid, then it wouldn't be a bad idea to offload a Sanders but what would they want in return from us?

They have a good point guard who's doing well this season in Brandon Knight. Their shooting guard is an established and respected player in the NBA, OJ Mayo. They finally got a solid SF who has excelled this season and is only 18/19 years old, Giannis Antetokounmpo. Henson has really came out of his shell this first half of the season and has been doing well scoring, rebounding and blocking shots (he'd be another player I'd be interested in). Then, you have Sanders who is an ultimate beast under the basket and has high efficiency on the offensive end (I think he went 7/7 in field goals last night). He doesn't demand much on offense and prefers to play defense which would be great for Cousins who prefers the opposite.

But what could we possibly give the Bucks that they already don't have? I highly doubt they'd want much from us at all. We would have to engage in a 3 team trade and there's always that one team that gets screwed over in those which would be us probably knowing our luck. Unless we got two teams who are trying to tank the season and are giving up some good players in order to have a better chance of a #1 pick?


Then, we have a rare option of a Rondo/Bradley deal circulating but I highly doubt we could offer enough to get Rondo let alone both of them. IT, Ben Mac, Thornton, Jimmer, Landry and JT? We'd really need to find some good free agents after all of this...At the same time, I don't think Boston want to give up their star in Rondo and star defender for Bradley for a couple of has-bins.


Overall, we need something and we need it before the trade deadline. Otherwise, starting next season, we'll be in the same spot that we are now and goodbye playoffs...

Rather trade for Larry Sanders than Andrew Bynum.

 

[KingMilz]

Maybe we can do a 3 way deal to get Tony Douglas back here since the Warriors have interest in Miller

 

[VF21]

I already knew all this. You also forgot to mention the luxury tax is probably the main factor

Okay, now I'm really confused. If you already knew all that, then WHY did you make the post in the first place?

You said:

Anyhow, I don't think Bynum is as big of a cancer as some of you may think. While he is not a star, he at least brings good post defense. I mean the lakers are trying to get rid of Gasol to have Bynum back. Obviously, he can't be that bad considering the Lakers used to own the kid.

That sounds like you were saying the Lakers were getting him back because he brings good post defense. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways...

 

[KingMilz]

Kendal Marshal is playing the game off his life right now his playmaking is unreal someone we should look at next season imo as a cheap option. His shot looks better as well would work well with Gay/Cousins and his defence is not as bad as I thought.

 

[Bricklayer]

Kendal Marshal is playing the game off his life right now his playmaking is unreal someone we should look at next season imo as a cheap option. His shot looks better as well would work well with Gay/Cousins and his defence is not as bad as I thought.

We already went down that road with Grevis methinks.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Rather trade for Larry Sanders than Andrew Bynum.

Not possible. We have absolutely nothing to offer them that they would want/need.
I already went over this. That deal isn't happening in a million years.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Okay, now I'm really confused. If you already knew all that, then WHY did you make the post in the first place?

You said:



That sounds like you were saying the Lakers were getting him back because he brings good post defense. Sorry, but you can't have it both ways...

I think it's pretty obvious that on court reason why lakers want him is because of his post defense and they know how to deal with a player like him.

Off court reason is finances and primary is that lakers are now in deep shizz with all the luxury tax from players like Gasol and co.


Pretty simple, doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand.

 

[TheBadGuy]

Not possible. We have absolutely nothing to offer them that they would want/need.
I already went over this. That deal isn't happening in a million years.

I'm just saying I'd rather have Sanders than Bynum, maybe it is possible if another team is involved.

 

[VF21]

I think it's pretty obvious that on court reason why lakers want him is because of his post defense and they know how to deal with a player like him.

Off court reason is finances and primary is that lakers are now in deep shizz with all the luxury tax from players like Gasol and co.


Pretty simple, doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand.

The Lakers DON'T want him. There is no way they would take him back as an active player. They know how to deal with a player like him? Yeah, they got rid of him.

Sorry, but your circular logic just doesn't fly. And that's not even paper airplane science.

Have a nice evening.

 

[Tetsujin]

Yo

what I was trying to imply is, don't overlook the trade

Anyhow, I don't think Bynum is as big of a cancer as some of you may think. While he is not a star, he at least brings good post defense. I mean the lakers are trying to get rid of Gasol to have Bynum back. Obviously, he can't be that bad considering the Lakers used to own the kid.
Plus, Shaq and Cousins could bring that winning mentality back in him. He's a cancer in Cleveland cause he went from a championship team (Lakers previous years) to a bottom of the rung team where their star player apparently has a fat ego and their coach can't even keep the team together.
There is more to the story than just what we see....

youre forgetting that Bynum is the first NBA big man than Cuz ever actively bashed and hated

That trade only benefits us... no way will the Nuggets trade Faried for bench players... including Mclemore. The bucks probably wouldn't consider it either. Ilyasova is a good player for them and even with Sander's problems, he's getting back on key.

How about this trade? Lakers, Kings, and Bulls.

Kings receive- Taj Gibson, Mike Dunleavy, Jodie Meeks, Kendall Marshall, and rights to Nikola Mirotic
Lakers receive- Jason Thompson, Ray McCallum, and Erik Murphy
Bulls receive- Chris Kaman, Ben McLemore, Travis Outlaw, Hdiaye, and future lakers 2nd round pick

Why Kings do it- Taj Gibson can be the big off the bench that the kings desperately need. Aside from that, he's a serviceable vet that can teach the young players a thing or two. Dunleavy can be a spark off the bench along with IT. He can stretch it out and plays decent defense like Gibson. Marshall is a pass first pg who never really got a shot at Phoenix. He was looking to be a good pg, but during the off season the Suns had too many guards and he was traded. He can be a good player in the league. Last game with the Lakers, he played 28 minutes shot 4-7 7asts 2tos 10pts. Nikola Mirotic looks like he can be a great european player in the NBA..but no one knows if he'll actually play here. The kings are trading Thompson who they can easily replace by moving Gay to the 4. His role in Sacramento has minimized and he's looking to be the odd man out. McLemore, while a ton of potential, the players we'Wre acquring would be better fits for our team.


Why Lakers do it- They're obviously unhappy about Kaman. He's actually a good player but his minutes have been inconsistent and it's been frustrating in all. They would be able to swap him for Jason Thompson who would have no problem adapting to any role given. Along with that, Ray McCallum is a rookie with an ability to score. He might be able to flourish while with the Lakers.

Why Bulls do it- Chris Kaman is an upgrade over Gibson and I don't think they would mind improving their scoring. Injuries plague this team, and he would be a good fit. McLemore is an intriguing talent. With Thibs, he'll be able to improve and be another rising star like Butler. They trade Dunleavy who is a serviceable and good vet, but get in return a good draft prospect. They'll trade up the rights of Nikola Mirotic because no one really knows if he'll ever play in the NBA. They'd rather get something for him now then lose on it.

You're new here so I'm gonna cut you some slack but rule number one of arbitrary trade ideas is "NEVER trade with LA"

 

[TheBadGuy]

Yo

youre forgetting that Bynum is the first NBA big man than Cuz ever actively bashed and hated

See that's why I'd rather have Sanders than Bynum.

 

[HndsmCelt]

The Lakers DON'T want him. There is no way they would take him back as an active player. They know how to deal with a player like him? Yeah, they got rid of him.

Sorry, but your circular logic just doesn't fly. And that's not even paper airplane science.

Have a nice evening.

To be fair the speculation is that the Lakers would trade Gasol for Bynum BEFORE jan 9, then cut Bynum to save about 20 million. Makes sense if they are looking a total rebuild this off seasson.

 

[annihilator_33]

Yo

youre forgetting that Bynum is the first NBA big man than Cuz ever actively bashed and hated

Yep, I remember Cousins said that Bynum didn't deserve to touch the Larry O'Brien Trophy

 

[VF21]

To be fair the speculation is that the Lakers would trade Gasol for Bynum BEFORE jan 9, then cut Bynum to save about 20 million. Makes sense if they are looking a total rebuild this off seasson.

Which is why I stressed there is no way they would take him as an ACTIVE player.

 

[Entity]

No matter what, this is pretty exciting. I mean i don't know what he is going to do next. both moves this season have been upgrades and one a borderline blockbuster.

 

[SacKings2002NBAChampions]

Some decent free agents coming up as well.
Isn't Avery Bradley one of them? If so, we should jump on that wagon fast.

 

[Hoovtrain]

I think it's pretty obvious that on court reason why lakers want him is because of his post defense and they know how to deal with a player like him.

Off court reason is finances and primary is that lakers are now in deep shizz with all the luxury tax from players like Gasol and co.


Pretty simple, doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand.

There are no on court reasons for the Lakers in this deal. It is purely for his contract and to free up $ that is all.

 

[t-rex]

Or Tyreke over Curry? Or Jimmer over Klay?

Bowie was drafted ahead of Jordan. Kittles was drafted ahead of Kobe. It happens all the time. Why do we kings fans always act like we're the only team to miss in the draft? What about all the teams that missed on IT? #$@& happens

 

[pshn80]

Why would anyone trade for jimmer when he'll be available to anyone for very little this summer?

Your thesis implies very little interest. I'm not sure. If someone really wants him, the only sure way to get him is by trade or an unlimited budget.

 

[I~true]

they may VALUE him now. If you have a need why wait?

 

[TheBadGuy]

Bowie was drafted ahead of Jordan. Kittles was drafted ahead of Kobe. It happens all the time. Why do we kings fans always act like we're the only team to miss in the draft? What about all the teams that missed on IT? #$@& happens

Darko Millicic was drafted ahead of Melo, Wade, Bosh.

 

[Tetsujin]

@Thebaumerphx: Nasty confrontation between Larry Sanders, Gary Neal in Bucks locker room. Neal as he left: ``I earn my money. You should try it sometime.''

 

[Bricklayer]

interesting.

Of course not exactly 100% encouraging in the we should go trade for the guy who was the target of that remark arena, but...

Still, if PDA is swigning for fences, and twice this season has snagged low hanging fruit widely reported to be available , well Sanders could be another. His deficiencies would be nicely masked alongside Cousins.

 

[Heuge]

interesting.

Of course not exactly 100% encouraging in the we should go trade for the guy who was the target of that remark arena, but...

Still, if PDA is swigning for fences, and twice this season has snagged low hanging fruit widely reported to be available , well Sanders could be another. His deficiencies would be nicely masked alongside Cousins.

Sanders contract is less then ideal.

 

[Bricklayer]

Sanders contract is less then ideal.

Well aware of that. Never been a believer at that number. Scares me actually, because he could be a bust making that unmoveable and deadly.

However the flipside is that if he were the guy the contract says he is, he could be maybe the most perfect fit in the entire league to stick next to DeMarcus. If we did it tomorrow I would absolutely be nervous up until the point he proved the front office right. But I think denying the possibility of him being a major step forward doesn't make sense.

 

[Tetsujin]

Sanders contract is less then ideal.

You'll be hard pressed to find an impact player with a contract that is ideal though.

Sanders' strengths happen to match up perfectly with our team's major interior deficiencies. If he gets back to the level of play he was exhibiting last season, then Larry could be worth the contract. For a shotblocking interior big, his contract is actually rather reasonable.

(Note: I may be trying to talk myself into supporting a move for Sanders.)

 

[KingMilz]

You'll be hard pressed to find an impact player with a contract that is ideal though.

Sanders' strengths happen to match up perfectly with our team's major interior deficiencies. If he gets back to the level of play he was exhibiting last season, then Larry could be worth the contract. For a shotblocking interior big, his contract is actually rather reasonable.

(Note: I may be trying to talk myself into supporting a move for Sanders.)

We really should try get him cause he's more of a PF size meaning the one weakness on D he has against Mammoths like Pekovic he won't have to cover with Cousins, he is the DeMarcus Cousins of defence (if that makes sense) in the NBA a volatile young big man who is excellent at what he does. He brings toughness and energy with elite shot blocking very few players have that combo.

Plus Cousins has been asking for shot blockers forever and him and Sanders are buddies who can relate to each other prior to this game he was fantastic against both Lakers and Utah. He's got fire within him something like Acy except he's big enough to play PF/C.

Everyone wanted to pair Cousins with Drummond (who we would have had to pay more than Sanders eventually) but Sanders might even be a better fit due to his quickness and ability to cover stretch 4's and athletic PF's. Also if we paired Larry and DMC we could nickname them LSD.

 

[TheBadGuy]

We really should try get him cause he's more of a PF size meaning the one weakness on D he has against Mammoths like Pekovic he won't have to cover with Cousins, he is the DeMarcus Cousins of defence (if that makes sense) in the NBA a volatile young big man who is excellent at what he does. He brings toughness and energy with elite shot blocking very few players have that combo.

Plus Cousins has been asking for shot blockers forever and him and Sanders are buddies who can relate to each other prior to this game he was fantastic against both Lakers and Utah. He's got fire within him something like Acy except he's big enough to play PF/C.

Everyone wanted to pair Cousins with Drummond (who we would have had to pay more than Sanders eventually) but Sanders might even be a better fit due to his quickness and ability to cover stretch 4's and athletic PF's. Also if we paired Larry and DMC we could nickname them LSD.

What does LSD stand for?