Keon Ellis

hrdboild said:
I would love to see the Kings land a top 5 pick this year, obviously, given the prospects in this year's class but we've also been there done that when it comes to the draft and most of them didn't turn out the way I wanted them to. So I can't even really enjoy a full-on tank year at this point without subconsciously worrying that there will be another "Bagley over Luka" pick at the end of it. That one decision probably broke me permanently as a draft believer.

Mainly I do not want there to be any chance of this new front office rallying around a Frankenstein lineup headlined by defensively challenged vets with the young role-players only getting limited touches and 2-3 shots a game. The more disastrously we crash and burn while leaning on that type of a strategy the more likely it is we get a full rebuild which suits my interests. I would also be fine if we pivot to playing mostly young players and seeing what we have with a Keegan, Keon, Nique, Devin, and Maxime lineup playing starter's minutes. At that point, the draft is only a secondary concern which is probably not ideal for our long-term future (drafting a franchise player is the quickest way to get back on top) but is less anxiety inducing given this franchise's woeful draft history.
Click to expand...
Dybantsa is FR
 
hrdboild said:
Don't get your hopes up. He's going first or second so we'd need to win the lottery and not do anything dumb with the pick. Nine times out of ten this season ends with us winning 3-4 extra games in April and taking ourselves out of contention for a top three pick. And the tenth time it ends with Bagley.
Click to expand...
Yah. Not gonna stop scouting or accepting bad things. That isn’t strategic.
 
hrdboild said:
Don't get your hopes up. He's going first or second so we'd need to win the lottery and not do anything dumb with the pick. Nine times out of ten this season ends with us winning 3-4 extra games in April and taking ourselves out of contention for a top three pick. And the tenth time it ends with Bagley.
Click to expand...

6 of our last 10 are vs teams that will be playing for the playoff positioning of the other four one is vs the clippers who have more talent and no pick to tank. Vs New Orleans who have more talent and no reason to tank and At Charlotte who at that time could be a better team. We play at Brooklyn on a back to back and fourth game in six nights if we have shipped off DDR, monk, and Sabonis by then we could end the season 2-8


Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2001666231485489418

I think I’d be pretty down with Keon for Jarace
Click to expand...

Smh Barret better be used in a three way to get Kuminga
 
The_Jamal said:
I'll have to look into Jarace, but if we've already resigned to not keeping Keon for some reason, seems ok to take a swing on a wing.

Keon being very popular should be raising up some red flags that we should probably keep him, but oh well
Click to expand...

Yeeeeah, you'd certainly think so. In an analytics-driven league where every franchise is trying to exploit whatever efficiencies they can find up and down their rosters, it's so glaringly obvious why Keon pops, and it remains so baffling that this franchise has decided to cast aside one of the best undrafted finds in the NBA across the last half-decade.
 
Padrino said:
Yeeeeah, you'd certainly think so. In an analytics-driven league where every franchise is trying to exploit whatever efficiencies they can find up and down their rosters, it's so glaringly obvious why Keon pops, and it remains so baffling that this franchise has decided to cast aside one of the best undrafted finds in the NBA across the last half-decade.
Click to expand...
I mean, it's even out in the open, the league values a 3 and D wing. It's perfect because you don't build a team around this type of players but it is easily plug-and-play in most scenario regardless of team's play style and strategy.
 
iowamcnabb said:
I’d do that trade. Walker was a top ten pick who has shown flashes as a shooter and was known as a great defender in college and he is 6’9.
Click to expand...
Based on his combine measurements, Walker should round up to 6'8" so 6'9" is a bit of a stretch (BBRef/ESPN actually list him at 6'7").
 
Tetsujin said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/2001666231485489418

I think I’d be pretty down with Keon for Jarace
Click to expand...

That would be decent considering it would put Keon on a team that he can actually make a difference on and give the Kings a little more flexibility moving forward. I really like what I've seen from Walker on the defensive end. He locked Keegan up a few times in that last game.
 
Not sure how Keon really fits on the Pacers when Haliburton comes back, unless they are planning on not having Mathurin or Nembhard. Seems like one of the few teams that wouldn't have much room for playing time in that spot. People keeping wanting to call him a "wing", when in reality he's a combo guard
 
I'm no expert on Walker, but I do like adding about 6" to the roster, and his standing reach and his wingspan and his poundage. I like Ellis as a good bench guy, but I've never viewed him as a starting 2G, so I'm very open to Walker or some other wing who can add some size to the roster.
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Not sure how Keon really fits on the Pacers when Haliburton comes back, unless they are planning on not having Mathurin or Nembhard. Seems like one of the few teams that wouldn't have much room for playing time in that spot. People keeping wanting to call him a "wing", when in reality he's a combo guard
Click to expand...

Because good teams understand you can't have enough Keon Ellis types on your roster and Mathurin is a 2/3 flex, so you can just primarily play him at the 3 as well.

Fact checking myself: Bball ref has Mathurin at the 3 about 61% of the time this season and 81% last year. Seems correct.

Also also, maybe just preventing themselves from getting locked out on Mathurin if they don't think they can pay him. They have Pascal and Hali on max deals, they have Nembhard on 20mil/season for 2 more years, Obi on 15mil/season for 2 more years, NeSmith extension kicks in at 20 mil in 27/28. The finances get pretty tight if Mathurin wants 20+ Mil/season
 
Last edited:
The_Jamal said:
Because good teams understand you can't have enough Keon Ellis types on your roster and Mathurin is a 2/3 flex, so you can just primarily play him at the 3 as well.

Fact checking myself: Bball ref has Mathurin at the 3 about 61% of the time this season and 81% last year. Seems correct.

Also also, maybe just preventing themselves from getting locked out on Mathurin if they don't think they can pay him. They have Pascal and Hali on max deals, they have Nembhard on 20mil/season for 2 more years, Obi on 15mil/season for 2 more years, NeSmith extension kicks in at 20 mil in 27/28. The finances get pretty tight if Mathurin wants 20+ Mil/season
Click to expand...
Yeah, and the fact that Keon has a lot of interest around the league, just like some of us here knew that he would, and the Kings not finding a way to play him consistently enough for two years now, is par for this abysmal organization
 
Jdbraver137 said:
Yah. Not gonna stop scouting or accepting bad things. That isn’t strategic.
Click to expand...

By all means watch all of the top prospects play, I still will be, I'm just warning you not to fall into the trap of picturing them on the Kings because we've been in this position before -- near the bottom of the standings and excitedly thinking about a future with an elite prospect in the fold -- and it hasn't come true yet. Most of the time we're arguing in March and April if that end of the season win streak against teams resting their starters means anything for our future or if we just screwed ourselves out of a better draft pick. And then there was the year we finished with the worst record and ended up picking fourth (the Tyreke Evans draft) and the year we lucked into the #2 pick and were virtually guaranteed the chance to take Luka Doncic and our GM inexplicably didn't take him.

None of this is strategic. We can pretend it is but at the end of the year you might be the Mavs (finishing the year with a 39-43 record and bouncing the Kings from the play-in only to wind up picking Cooper Flagg #1 overall) or you might be the Kings (finishing the year at 40-42 after a meaningless win against Phoenix only to get blown out in the play-in game at home by Dallas and then have no lottery pick).
 
hrdboild said:
By all means watch all of the top prospects play, I still will be, I'm just warning you not to fall into the trap of picturing them on the Kings because we've been in this position before -- near the bottom of the standings and excitedly thinking about a future with an elite prospect in the fold -- and it hasn't come true yet. Most of the time we're arguing in March and April if that end of the season win streak against teams resting their starters means anything for our future or if we just screwed ourselves out of a better draft pick. And then there was the year we finished with the worst record and ended up picking fourth (the Tyreke Evans draft) and the year we lucked into the #2 pick and were virtually guaranteed the chance to take Luka Doncic and our GM inexplicably didn't take him.

None of this is strategic. We can pretend it is but at the end of the year you might be the Mavs (finishing the year with a 39-43 record and bouncing the Kings from the play-in only to wind up picking Cooper Flagg #1 overall) or you might be the Kings (finishing the year at 40-42 after a meaningless win against Phoenix only to get blown out in the play-in game at home by Dallas and then have no lottery pick).
Click to expand...
If I can’t picture good thing then why be a fan. It’s the definition rooting for your team. If you are just a rain cloud all the time maybe reconsider your fandom.
 
Jdbraver137 said:
If I can’t picture good thing then why be a fan. It’s the definition rooting for your team. If you are just a rain cloud all the time maybe reconsider your fandom.
Click to expand...

We've been a losing team for most of the past 20 years. If I were going to bail I would have done it by now. Obviously I can picture the Kings drafting a top player. But I also remember how disappointed I was after almost every Kings draft so no, I'm not going to get all optimistic about this though I do hope to be pleasantly surprised in June.
 
hrdboild said:
We've been a losing team for most of the past 20 years. If I were going to bail I would have done it by now. Obviously I can picture the Kings drafting a top player. But I also remember how disappointed I was after almost every Kings draft so no, I'm not going to get all optimistic about this though I do hope to be pleasantly surprised in June.
Click to expand...
Well don’t be a Debbie downer if I want to picture dybantsu here. Honestly any of the top 10 can be good. Look at max 40s now 8th is some rookie rankings
 
The_Jamal said:
Because good teams understand you can't have enough Keon Ellis types on your roster and Mathurin is a 2/3 flex, so you can just primarily play him at the 3 as well.

Fact checking myself: Bball ref has Mathurin at the 3 about 61% of the time this season and 81% last year. Seems correct.

Also also, maybe just preventing themselves from getting locked out on Mathurin if they don't think they can pay him. They have Pascal and Hali on max deals, they have Nembhard on 20mil/season for 2 more years, Obi on 15mil/season for 2 more years, NeSmith extension kicks in at 20 mil in 27/28. The finances get pretty tight if Mathurin wants 20+ Mil/season
Click to expand...
Mathurin is gonna find himself in the same category as Kuminga and Cam Thomas next year. He was a 6th overall pick who hasn't fully cracked the starting lineup (this year he has appeared in and started 15 games, prior to that the most was last year where he had 49 starts in 72 appearances so it is unclear if he is a full time starter on a healthy team). He scores ok, up to 20ppg this season, and gets a modest amount of rebounds but the expectation for him to defend hasn't materialized and I think he's viewed as a guy who wasn't fully bought in after his rookie season (no idea if that perception has changed this year).

Prior to this CBA he'd get 4 or 5 years at 25m like it was halloween candy but today he's a role guy and you just can't pay that unless he ascends into top 3 player this year.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Mathurin is gonna find himself in the same category as Kuminga and Cam Thomas next year. He was a 6th overall pick who hasn't fully cracked the starting lineup (this year he has appeared in and started 15 games, prior to that the most was last year where he had 49 starts in 72 appearances so it is unclear if he is a full time starter on a healthy team). He scores ok, up to 20ppg this season, and gets a modest amount of rebounds but the expectation for him to defend hasn't materialized and I think he's viewed as a guy who wasn't fully bought in after his rookie season (no idea if that perception has changed this year).

Prior to this CBA he'd get 4 or 5 years at 25m like it was halloween candy but today he's a role guy and you just can't pay that unless he ascends into top 3 player this year.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I can see that. Part of that NBA middle class where there's clearly potential, but hasn't quite broken out and proven to be worth the $100 mil contract. And the problem most teams are finding themselves in are they have 1-2 max level players at 40+ mil, 1-2 starter/ancillary guys at 15-20 mil and probably at least 1-2 bench guys in the 8-10 mil range. That's why everyone is broke.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Mathurin is gonna find himself in the same category as Kuminga and Cam Thomas next year. He was a 6th overall pick who hasn't fully cracked the starting lineup (this year he has appeared in and started 15 games, prior to that the most was last year where he had 49 starts in 72 appearances so it is unclear if he is a full time starter on a healthy team). He scores ok, up to 20ppg this season, and gets a modest amount of rebounds but the expectation for him to defend hasn't materialized and I think he's viewed as a guy who wasn't fully bought in after his rookie season (no idea if that perception has changed this year).

Prior to this CBA he'd get 4 or 5 years at 25m like it was halloween candy but today he's a role guy and you just can't pay that unless he ascends into top 3 player this year.
Click to expand...
Only because Nembhard showed so well, while Mathurin was injured. Otherwise he'd be their starting 2. Thing I like about him is that he has legit lead guard skills
 
ShastaKingsFan said:
Only because Nembhard showed so well, while Mathurin was injured. Otherwise he'd be their starting 2. Thing I like about him is that he has legit lead guard skills
Click to expand...
He was one of my favorite Arizona players over the last decade, I'm a big fan - before we jumped up he was a player I targeted in 22, but after his rookie year he's been a little disappointing imho. I thought he would transition into a plus defender and he has not, and he also lost playing time over that. That's why he's now in this new class of guys who aren't getting the contracts they were formerly entitled to, and it isn't going over well. 6th pick who isn't a total bust aren't normally given a chance to go into restricted free agency, they are locked up the year prior.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

S
[Rumor] NBA Insider Predicts Keon Ellis' New Contract in Free Agency
2
Replies
39
Views
3K
sactowndog
sactowndog
S
Kings G Keon Ellis' Complicated Contract Situation
Replies
0
Views
778
Sacramento Kings On SI
S
Caccia
What do the individual Kings need to work on this summer?
Replies
11
Views
1K
Caccia
Caccia
sactowndog
Pelton Free Agency Rankings.
Replies
0
Views
402
sactowndog
sactowndog
Caccia
Monk as Starter
2 3 4
Replies
99
Views
10K
ESP47
E
Back
Top