Jdbraver137
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Mathirin with Keegan and JK…hmm
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Keon Ellis
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iowamcnabb
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Keon doesn’t upgrade their front court but I suppose they see him as a back up to Nembhard. Maybe they want to dangle Benny Math to get Kessler or Gafford as they have been reported to have interest in them
ShastaKingsFan
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or get big at the 1-3, with Mathurin, Clifford, and Murray
Jdbraver137
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I’m not sold as Clifford as a starter yet. I think max definetly can.
Jdbraver137
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I’m not even sure we could put a good enough package for matherine.
ShastaKingsFan
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nobody is. It's a rebuild
Jdbraver137
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Well I’d say Maxime could definitely be a starter. He has had the opportunity. And has shown he can. Nique hasn’t had the chance. I’d like to see him take a similar step with the time he gets now.
So I think what this says is a lot of teams may see market value on Keon as above MLE but below the big money that FRPs feel entitled to, getting Bird rights gives them an edge to signing him in that 16-20m per range.
Which if we are planning on keeping him maybe we would be able to sign him to a reasonable extension without him hitting the market. On the flip side I can see them also possibly thinking that if they can upgrade the front court with a player like Walker who is young and still has one more year on his rookie deal before becoming RFA by moving Keon with Doug or Saric, they open an extra roster spot on any other trades.
It's a pretty huge gamble that I wish we didn't put ourselves in the position to make.
It's also kind of annoying players like Benn are now getting the same treatment 2nd round picks get, at a slightly higher level. Prove it in 3 years or you're JAG type mentality.
Fair enough. But if you didn't want my take, why did you quote my post? I only responded because your comment was directed at me.
Jdbraver137
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Whateves,bruh.
Meanwhile, we play Keon 32 minutes last night:
119.4 ORtg
109.7 DRtg
+9.7 Net Rtg
For the best net rating on the team. I really don't get why we make this so difficult when a bunch of goobers on an internet forum can look up publicly available stats and say "Oh, the Kings are way better when this dude plays", but the people in charge of a billion dollar organization can't come to the same conclusion.
Also, came to the same conclusion on Jarace. He looked like he maybe was looking to taking a leap into being a good player after last year, but he's fallen off hard this season. Not what you want to see from a year 2 to year 3 jump
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Best net rating and he still shot way below his average from 3. His impact is real. Not only do us forum losers recognize his play, but fans of other teams see this guy pop when they watch their teams play the Kings as well.
It's why you see fans propose trash trades for Keon more than any other player on the Kings. They know what the guy brings and they know this franchise is too stupid to notice.
And that’s with his 3 being off. He has to play, just need 1 guard to be moved. 2 for DC to get some minutes.
Padrino
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The Kings have the second-worst net rating in the entire NBA. They get blown out with regularity. And while the Blazers aren't a particularly good team, it's hardly a leap to draw a correlation between Keon's increased workload against the Blazers and the closing of the gap between the Kings and their opponent last night. They took it to overtime, and ended up losing by a single point. The dude just impacts winning. He's a quality player, the kind of guy any competitive team will want to poach. If the Kings aren't going to keep him, they had better make sure moving him benefits their rebuild in a meaningful way.
ockingsfan
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You have to wonder if Keon’s limited minutes is coming down from the FO trying to showcase the vets and also not allowing Keon the PT to price himself out of our price range to resign him.
We will see when the trade deadline passes and if we are able to resign him when he becomes eligible for an extension.
This may be something I could get behind... if we DIDN"T HAVE HIS RFA THIS SUMMER! We had all the control to keep him and punted it away to bring in Dennis Schroder.
It was brought up that Dennis and Keon have the same agent, so hopefully there's some back-room dealing type stuff going on and we have a handshake deal with Keon that we don't have to worry about. But seems entirely unlikely with how this season has played out.
I am sure there was a handshake deal but Carlos Boozer made a handshake deal once too.
Tetsujin
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Kawhi did too!
ockingsfan
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Yes, but if the Kings offered a fair deal in the summer, Keon is not getting the PT and exposure to showcase himself to pass up that same deal now.
If a fair “handshake” deal was agreed to in the summer, Keon wouldn’t be in a position to pass that up in February.
The only question I have is if they agreed to something and Keon feels Kings aren't living up to it.
If they sat down and said "we know we have a mess and we have to get out of it, we're not going to give you a new deal this summer but we'll give you extension XXX on February 9, are you cool with this? Also as a treat we'll way overpay your other client" and everyone was like yeah awesome goooo Kings... but then in the time between Keon is rotting on the bench and saying screw this I don't want to stick around.
If we clear everyone out at the deadline aside from Keon he is going to get showcased and get more value if he doesn't sign the extension.
Of course Bird rights in all of this matter too, if he is a 20m a year guy we are really the only team in position to pay that once everyone else takes care of their guys.
Yeah, I suppose the one bright-spot here is it's extremely likely he's either traded or we extend him. Everyone is broke, again, this off-season so Keon, as a fairly perfect example of the NBA middle class, is likely someone who will not want to enter the market and be underpaid. So him and his agency are incentivized to make sure he's dealt somewhere, along with his bird rights or he stays in Sacramento.
Him just walking in UFA is inexcusable.
I don't know which teams will have cap. Possibly the Nets? Most are in far worse shape than we are.
MizzouKing
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Interesting that Keon's low usage seems to be giving weight to potential reservations (size, defensive specialties) that might not otherwise blip the radar.
www.hoopsrumors.com
Evaluators Split On Keon Ellis' Value
The asking price for the Kings guard is believed to be a protected first-round pick. More at Hoops Rumors.
www.hoopsrumors.com
sactowndog
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Jdbraver137
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I’ll be honest hearing Keon postgame, I am thinking he is way too humble. Dude should be like ‘I can do that every night” he is at that point in his career
ShastaKingsFan
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It tends to be bad karma to brag about what you can do all the time. Better to refrain and be publicly humble, even when they believe they can
Jdbraver137
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That’s not how you advance in cut throat sports. Look at Cardwell he plays to the crowd.
That's....quite a bit different.
ShastaKingsFan
Hall of Famer
Not even close to the same. Energizing and interacting with the crowd in a positive way is not any sort of bragging or predicting through the media
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