LPKingsFan
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Ah I forgot to add the kicker... it would be more realistic. 
Kenny Thomas for a Bag of Chips
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KingKong
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Then I'm assuming players like Steve Kerr, Brent Barry, Antoine Walker etc are either superstars or very good defensive players. Aren't there many different types of roleplayers? Do they all have to be great defenders? What about players whose primarily role is shooting like your Steve Kerr. Kenny Thomas would be a rebounding specialist... that would be his role. My point was that given the make up of our roster, we have more holes to fix than what KT can offer at his position. On a title contending team he would be a good fit where only a rebounding specialist would be required. I'm not sure that all role players on title contending or winning teams have to be good defenders.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
You will note every single name listed here is a guard/small forward except Walker, who actually also played a lot of SF and was a 6th man/3rd scorer, not a roleplayer. Actually most of those names were one fo their team's major scorers, and the ones who weren't did the three point shooter thing. KT is neither.
If you want to make an argument that KT could hang around as an unwelcome wart on the rear end of a team that would win the title with or without him that's one thing. So could Joe Smith. So could I for that matter. If you want to argue that he is anything a title team should be looking for, I'd like to see your historical examples. When does a tiny PF who can't stop anybody play a major role in actually winning a title? I can think of a few guys who have just been lucky enough to be on championship rosters, but not a one who did anything that 50 other guys in the league couldn't have done. We could trade KT to Dallas where he could average 12-15min a game and maybe pick up a ring (assuming Avery was willing to put up with his ****) but so the bleep what? They could trade for a dozen other guys who would play that role better and with fewer headaches. They'll win their games with or without a KT.
Wait, what? Did you just say that one of the reasons that you'd take Camby over Ilgauskas is because Camby won't miss as many games? Did I read that correctly? And I chuckle at any implication that Camby is tough; his spirit might be willing, but the flesh is weak than a mother...
Ilgauskas' shot-blocking alone makes him better than merely "a bigger Brad."
kingkung
Bench
Wow, I think my post, which contained no profanity, no insults, and no offense to anyone of any kind, was somehow deleted from the thread. Weird.
Anyway, I was just asking what Bo was talking about the thread getting worse. Oh well, it's not that important.
Ilgauskus is good. Camby has broken 103 bones in his body.
Anyway, I was just asking what Bo was talking about the thread getting worse. Oh well, it's not that important.
Ilgauskus is good. Camby has broken 103 bones in his body.
moradi420
Bench
what are u talking about man, camby is better but no where near as stable/healthy. Man sometimes ppl say funny stuff, like what games have u been watching. Camby is a top 5 of the unhealthiest players in the league and most injury prone, how bout last year for instance, man kings 113 u are a funny man
JJ22L
Starter
ya man- word
Anywho- I don't think Petrie will go the Ilgausasodfksd (sp?) route or the Camby route, so its irrelevant to talk about it.
I think we will end up with someone like a Foyle, Foster, Wright, Haywood, Magloire type.
ooooorrrrrrrrr we could play KG at center..
anyone else see Ariza signed with the magic- so hes off the table, if it mattered anymore
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I already said why I'd take Camby over Miller above. I just have a different opinion than you.
gunks
Hall of Famer
So does anyone actually like KT besides myself?
I know he's obnoxious but I'd rather have a player who is whiny offcourt but brings it come gametime then a player who doesnt start trouble but is a lazy sissy when he plays *cough* Miller *cough*
And besides Bonzi, Thomas was the only other player who actually hussled after rebounds and crashed the boards...And now that Bonzi is gone we need someone who puts a little effort into rebounding even more.
Sure he's undersized and cant guard most other PFs but he's quick and gets the odd 3 steal game here and there. A player who is only 6'7 but plays to his hight potential is better then a player who is 7 ft and plays like he's 6'1 *cough* Miller *cough*
And here's a fun fact that even you haters can appreciate KT for...He had a triple double last season (16 pts, 12 rebs, 10 assists) against....wait for it....The Lakers!
I know he's obnoxious but I'd rather have a player who is whiny offcourt but brings it come gametime then a player who doesnt start trouble but is a lazy sissy when he plays *cough* Miller *cough*
And besides Bonzi, Thomas was the only other player who actually hussled after rebounds and crashed the boards...And now that Bonzi is gone we need someone who puts a little effort into rebounding even more.
Sure he's undersized and cant guard most other PFs but he's quick and gets the odd 3 steal game here and there. A player who is only 6'7 but plays to his hight potential is better then a player who is 7 ft and plays like he's 6'1 *cough* Miller *cough*
And here's a fun fact that even you haters can appreciate KT for...He had a triple double last season (16 pts, 12 rebs, 10 assists) against....wait for it....The Lakers!
Haven't checked this thread in a couple of days, but since it got bumped:
There's no argument to even agree to disagree on, because I never even said which of the two I liked better in the first place. Good for you that you like Camby, but there's no way that you can say it's because he's tough, because Camby is the exact opposite of tough; hell, they probably patterned Samuel L. Jackson's character in Unbreakable after him.
Agree to disagree about what? There's nothing to disagree with: I wasn't arguing the case of Ilgauskas over Camby; you used health as an argument to say why you think Camby is better, when the fact is that, since coming back from his foot injury, Ilgauskas has played fifty more games than Camby in the same amount of time. Add to that the fact that Ilgauskas has played at least seventy-eight games in a season five times, and Camby has only played as many as sixty-six twice.
There's no argument to even agree to disagree on, because I never even said which of the two I liked better in the first place. Good for you that you like Camby, but there's no way that you can say it's because he's tough, because Camby is the exact opposite of tough; hell, they probably patterned Samuel L. Jackson's character in Unbreakable after him.
Wuster
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It is all the rage to bash Kenny Thomas. I happen to like his game. I like his rebounding, his quickness and ability to score. I was at the Laker game last year when he schooled Luke Walton and sealed the win.
Ok. He's certainly not perfect. I know he is a tweener, comes with attitude baggage about starting or coming off the bench. He's got defensive issues on some matchups. I also know that a player like KT has to be a good fit for certain systems, coaches, teams. There is definitely a place for him in this league and yes, maybe even with the Kings. And yeah, he has a big contract.
Moving KT this off season is not on a high priority list, depending on how EM sees him being used.
Ok. He's certainly not perfect. I know he is a tweener, comes with attitude baggage about starting or coming off the bench. He's got defensive issues on some matchups. I also know that a player like KT has to be a good fit for certain systems, coaches, teams. There is definitely a place for him in this league and yes, maybe even with the Kings. And yeah, he has a big contract.
Moving KT this off season is not on a high priority list, depending on how EM sees him being used.
gunks
Hall of Famer
Ah, so he was up against Luke when he got that triple double.....That explains things 
I've actually always felt that KT starting helped with the Kings turnaround, as that happened sometime around Artest's arrival and the Kings late season comeback.
Shareef was getting what? Just under 6 rebs a game when he started? I think I heard or read somewhere that Kenny was averaging around 10.5 once he took over. Thats 4 extra possesions KT gave the kings, makes a difference in those close games.
I've actually always felt that KT starting helped with the Kings turnaround, as that happened sometime around Artest's arrival and the Kings late season comeback.
Shareef was getting what? Just under 6 rebs a game when he started? I think I heard or read somewhere that Kenny was averaging around 10.5 once he took over. Thats 4 extra possesions KT gave the kings, makes a difference in those close games.
kingkung
Bench
Mr. S£im Citrus said:
Why don't you agree to disagree on whether you can agree to disagree? Or just disagree to agree on whether to agree to disagree on your disagreement? Personally, I would rather agree to disagree instead of disagreeing to agree, but I guess we will have to agree to disagree on whether we should agree to disagree or disagree to agree, but that poses another conundrum, because then we have to decide whether to disagree to agree on whether we should agree to disagree or disagree to agree, or instead to agree to disagree on whether we should agree to disagree or disagree to agree. I personally think that we should always agree to disagree on agreeing to disagreeing, even if we are all in agreement.
Are we all in agreement? Good.
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Wilcox? I'd rather not gamble on him and the 3 month performance. He's athletic, a good rebounder, not a good shotblocker, but not a medicore one, and don't think he's a post-defender really. His size and athleticism do make him somewhat of a presence inside.
He wants 9-10 million dollars over 5-6 years.
Let the Sonics keep him.
KT for Etan is a realistic scenario. Of a different kind from those above though.
One like that I'd be fine with is KT for Malik Rose. Another tweener, but Rose doesn't care if he comes off the bench, expiring deal, is a good team player, and is versatile and better defensively. Won a couple rings with the Spurs, also.
He wants 9-10 million dollars over 5-6 years.
Let the Sonics keep him.
KT for Etan is a realistic scenario. Of a different kind from those above though.
One like that I'd be fine with is KT for Malik Rose. Another tweener, but Rose doesn't care if he comes off the bench, expiring deal, is a good team player, and is versatile and better defensively. Won a couple rings with the Spurs, also.
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Malik Rose has three years left on his contract, so it's not a possibility.
And I don't think the Wizards want Kenny Thomas, they have Jamison, Songaila, Ruffin, Blatche at the pf . To do a Kenny-Etan is necessary a third team, maybe the Cavs.
Kings- Etan
Cavs- Kenny
Wizards- Newble, Luke Jackson or another
Something like that.
And I don't think the Wizards want Kenny Thomas, they have Jamison, Songaila, Ruffin, Blatche at the pf . To do a Kenny-Etan is necessary a third team, maybe the Cavs.
Kings- Etan
Cavs- Kenny
Wizards- Newble, Luke Jackson or another
Something like that.
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Yes, the Songaila signing may have mucked up any potential Etan/KT swap, if such a thing was ever pondered anywhere off this board in the first place.
Actually, KT would fit what the Wiz want. Jamison is not a PF, he's much more of a three. Also, that PF-crop you listed for them, not very good. Songaila isn't a good rebounder or quick. Butler, and if Jefferies stay, can play SF or SG, or come off the bench. As they have numerous times in the past for the Wiz. KT is a mobile PF that brings rebounding and toughness - what they need and want for their more small-ball style. They want to get rid of guys like Haywood/Etan Thomas/Ruffin.
But, I guess the third team thing could work as well.
Rose actually has two years left, so we were both wrong.
True, but waiting on Bonzi mucked the most up, not just for our team, but caused a log jam for several teams that were in the hunt for him. Now that they spent their $ elsewhere, Bonzi is on the outside looking in and is most likely going to have to take a pay cut.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Um....what's that got to do with Darius signign with Washington messing up our KT trade possibilities?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Who knows -- nonetheless they just got their KT -- their smallish finesse shooting PF. Having KT and Darius together is something only a foolishly soft team would do (ahem). Before we could maybe offer them something they did not have when we offered them a KT. Now we would just be offering them a one way trip into our own tiny non-defending PF hell. Because they are another softy non-defending wannabe Princeton team, its always still possible. But the argument was better before Darius arrived.
Packt
Starter
Of course it does. Kenny was always an option for them but they didn't bite on it and instead went and signed a similar player on the FA market. They're not going to trade for Kenny now. Kenny and Darius have already played together and it didn't work out. What makes the situation even more unlikely is they can play Jamison at the 4 if need be. At this point, Kenny is duplicative talent and makes about 800 grand more than ET.