SLAB
Hall of Famer
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...F?slug=ap-kings-abdur-rahim&prov=ap&type=lgns
Shareef undergoes season-ending knee surgery.
Shareef undergoes season-ending knee surgery.
It's Official...The Nets were right (SAR)
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Indeed -- although I must admit that I did not really believe it either and thought at the time that the Nets' actions were ridiculous. Now I knew and argued at the time that Reef was not what he had once been, and was no longer an impact guy. But I would never have thoguht the deterioration would have been so rapid. Then again, I do not have the resoources our GM and training staff do, so this is rather annoying. At this point we might be to the point where you almost have to hope Reef just goes ahead and retires so that we can get the insurance to pay off the contract and maybe try to get some relief from the league.
91sickness
Bench
i hope this means Williams will get some more minutes...hell even Watkins, i liked what i saw out of him. A young front court of Hawes Williams and a role playing Watkins sounds good to me.
Considering SAR only played a whopping 51 minutes this season in 6 games, how do you think his situation will mean more time for others? He's not taking any time himself. No minutes have been freed up at all by this.
EatMoreChicken
G-League
On the bright side, if SAR truly is injured beyond repair and is forced to retire, there's the possibility that the league may allow the kings to remove SAR's salary "off the books" so it doesn't count towards the cap/luxury tax. The team of course is still responsible for his salary, however.
Alternatively, the Kings could file for a disabled player exception to sign someone else for 50% salary. But the time of when the Kings get the exception is tricky and we might not get it until next year.
Alternatively, the Kings could file for a disabled player exception to sign someone else for 50% salary. But the time of when the Kings get the exception is tricky and we might not get it until next year.
Entity
Hall of Famer
Nope. Sar never played anyway. KT and Hawes seems to be our frontcourt backups now. Williams and Watkins will only get garbage minutes.
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
Wonder if now the Kings can get a "Medical Exception" for SAR that allows them to add another player at 1/2 of SAR's salary????? He was/is making $5.8M this year. But bet they do nothing AND hopefully give some playing time to Watkins and/or Williams. If not one of them should go to the D-League for awhile to get in some consistent playing time. Bakersfield will make them appreciate Sactown all the more.
Jechtsphere
Starter
Won't happen unless we commit to rebuilding, we get to see KT play instead.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
The writing has been on the wall with regards to SAR for a long time. His precipitous dip from 20-pt All-star Atlanta Hawk to role playing 10-pt injury prone Trail Blazer made a full swerve into a constantly injured King. Sad to say, but I'm not sure if this is a bad thing for our team; he hasn't been playing much anyway, but it doesn't carve any more minutes for our potential bigs because of that. But with three injuries already to our team, hopefully the league can grant that medical exception.
Circa_1985_Fan
All-Star
Reef, to his credit, had a semi-productive 2nd half of 2006 leading into the playoffs against the Spurs, but other than that...Mr. Petrie has another strike against him. The only thing he's done good I think was get Sexy Salmons...but even that could go down in a hurry, and show yet another blemish on his currently depreciating reputation as a good GM. Albeit, this(Rahim) move was made when we still had Rick and a few of the old pieces, and we still almost won 50 games that year...but I think that might have been more accredited to the coaching staff that was on hand in 2006. What's next??
Heuge
Starter
Silly sarcasm. Our GM picked a player others has rejected due to knee injury, when that player was a terrible fit even for the direction of the team.I think Petrie is to blame for KMart's injury.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
It has been said over and over and over that Petrie has made bad choices in the last few years and that the Kings decline is his fault. It is not that fate has worked out badly or not even that karma is at work. How many ways can it be said? I get it! The point has been made.
Now that we have thoroughly affixed blame where do we go from here? My guess is that we should fire him and find a better GM. Then we could have someone else to either heap our undying credit on or criticize endlessly.
You would think that this team's destiny is not controlled at all by the ownership, the players, the coaches, or even the pop corn salesperson. Blame it all on one man and keep it simple.
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Heuge
Starter
yikes. Just pointing out lame sarcasm. One of the problems with this franchise at the moment is clearly its leadership. I don't understand the chastisement behind pointing that out. This instance is one that warrants such a finger. Others I have spoken of may have not, but this one is clearly on the GM.
I wish I can make 25 milllion dollar mistakes and get away with it.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
I was just translating his sarcasm into straight English.
Do you not think The Maloofs aren't behind some of these decisions? Do you not think some knees give out for good and some do not? How do you predict? If you are this good at predicting, then the choice of Hawes was a colossal mistake, wasn't it?
Do you not think that when a franchise has been brought on its greatest and most exciting ride that it cannot continue this forever? We are now on a consecutive streak of one year out of the playoffs. Our record and the NBA record is 8 years, I believe. We set the record. The Kings.
I think people are getting a bit hysterical and are piling on. Like I said, "I get it." You don't need to tell me of the anger directed at the what I presume is the only man you think responsible for this "colossal" collapse in the team. It wasn't Webber's knee. It wasn't Christie's feet. It wasn't Bibby's multiple hand injuries. And now it's not Martin's groin injury.
It's all Petrie.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
It is a knee problem, but I don't think it's the exact one the Nets were afraid of. He'll be back next year but I just don't know if he fits here even when healthy.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Oh no, its pretty much what the Nets were afraid of -- same knee too (the right). Just wear and tear and a 30yr old with the knees of a 60 year old.
I would not mind so much if he had been the right player in the first place. I did not for instance blame Geoff for Webb's contract even after he blew out the knee (although obviously that was a sudden thing). But Reef was a stupid signing even if healthy. And another team not only recognized this issue, but even went so far as to publicly give us and everybody warning of it. And we signed him anyway, he's now as unmoveable as Kenny, and the same GM acquired both those pieces.
P.S. as an aside the Nets deal that was voided was 6yrs $38mil. We signed him to a 5yr $29.3mil deal. Not that huge a gap, and either way clearly bad money for the production we got and now years of chewing up the cap for nothing.
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Heuge
Starter
Its 21 by the Blazers and 20 by Utah.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
That's probably true. I guess it was 8 years in a row under .500. Point being, we set a record for futility not so long ago for a guy my age and now we seem to expect to win. I probably could look it up but I'm lazy.
21 makes my point even better.
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My "lame" sarcasm aside, your pretty much saying what I feel here. I understand that people have their opinions and one of them is to put blame on Petrie. I understand it, don't agree with it which is ok, but the piling on in what seems like every topic, becomes tiresome. I thought my sarcasm was simple but witty by the way.
Okay, I feel a bit honor-bound to clear up something.
I've been told the knee problems SAR had addressed with this most recent procedure were NOT related to the condition NJ used to back out of their deal with him. From what I understand, the problem that scared New Jersey away was/is a loose tendon which is entirely different than the condition that required arthroscopic procedure to remove bone spurs and joint lining from his right knee.
The tendon problem is no worse than it ever was but it was enough to scare away the Nets.
Nitpicking? Perhaps but I don't think it's right to assume NOW - three years later - that New Jersey was right all along. And, when you realize they were panicking about a totally different problem, it becomes clear IMHO that while SAR may not have been the selection some of us may have chosen, Petrie's decision wasn't wrong from the viewpoint of the existing medical condition.
I've been told the knee problems SAR had addressed with this most recent procedure were NOT related to the condition NJ used to back out of their deal with him. From what I understand, the problem that scared New Jersey away was/is a loose tendon which is entirely different than the condition that required arthroscopic procedure to remove bone spurs and joint lining from his right knee.
The tendon problem is no worse than it ever was but it was enough to scare away the Nets.
Nitpicking? Perhaps but I don't think it's right to assume NOW - three years later - that New Jersey was right all along. And, when you realize they were panicking about a totally different problem, it becomes clear IMHO that while SAR may not have been the selection some of us may have chosen, Petrie's decision wasn't wrong from the viewpoint of the existing medical condition.
EatMoreChicken
G-League
Thanks for clearing that up, VF21. People are pilling on too fast. As bad as SAR played the last few years, I don't think his contract is that bad. He's a serviceable forward that cost us the MLE. Not a bargain, but hardly a disaster like trading for KThomas. My frustration w/ Petrie is utter lack of initiative to get things done. He's seem perfectly content for things to happen to him, instead of making things happen. Someone's got to lite a fire in this man.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Yet the Nets were still going to sign him! They just wanted it to be a 5 year deal instead of 6 IIRC. Reef said he didn't like the hesitation and came here for less because he felt he was treated better.
If you buy into that theory, no player who has ever had a medical problem should ever be signed again.
Heuge
Starter
Well, it certainly effects the risk value of a player in any case.
migibizzle
G-League
Hmm... This sucks.
Well at least I feel sorry for the guy, I snapped of my ACL and MCL last year and let me tell you hurt knees just plain bite. Went from athletic to aching titanium bolts in one missed jumped.
Well at least I feel sorry for the guy, I snapped of my ACL and MCL last year and let me tell you hurt knees just plain bite. Went from athletic to aching titanium bolts in one missed jumped.
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