Does anyone else feel it might be in the Kings interest to trade a player for a mid-to-late first rounder this year? That's where some decent guards might be available in the draft, but it's not worth using a high pick like the Kings will likely have on a Kendall Marshall-type.
It's early, but anybody have a draft wish list yet?
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bluntsnbball
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I watched Kendall marshall tonight. No doubt about it, this kid is as pure of a point guard as there is. The only issue i have with him is that i watched him pass up a couple of what looked like easy lay ups. He has such a pass first mentality. He's only averaging 6.5 pts and 3 boards per game, but 10 assists! seems like a rondo type player based on stats and court vision. he should definitely be a solid pg in the future, but he sure wouldnt help out the kings with perimeter shooting, which we desperately need. I MIGHT be interested in drafting down this year depending on how those stupid f****** ping pong balls bounce. such a stupid drafting system....
KevinSalvadori
Bench
It really is a stupid system. Any "system" that has about as much predictability and consistency as Super Lotto should be abandoned. Seriously, if you want to keep the lottery for teams 5-15, that would be interesting and kind of cool, but 1-4 should be protected. There's a reason they're there, after all.
ParniValjak
All-Star
Could not disagree more because teams tank! I have seen it in other sports and its a farce! Would take the lottery system any day of the week and twice on sundays!
At least it doesn't guarantee you the first pick! The objective of the lottery to discourage losing for more ping pong balls! Teams still do it but more often than not they don't end up with the best pick and that is a GOOD thing IMHO!
I have seen the other draft system and it makes the whole sport a joke when you see teams losing on purpose to get that #1 pick especially if you get 2 bottom teams playing each other and they are both trying so hard to lose the game! I have even seen coaches come out years later admitting that they lost the games on purpose to get a better pick or they were instructed to lose by club hierarchy!
DEFINITELY DON'T want to go down that path!
Big Cuz 15
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Didnt houston do this to get ralph sampson and the dream olajuwan? I am ok w the lotto system. However i dont like how its been riggged the last few years to produce some nice headllines.
Not this again!
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Hallama
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Thank you.
bluntsnbball
G-League
i agree with teams tanking and all and i apologize if im beating a dead horse here, but i just feel the draft lottery can be improved. Improved to make teams with lower records have increased chances of getting low picks. I mean, Chicago was projected to draft #9 in 2008, and they moved up to #1 and now theyre one of the best teams in the league specifically because of that #1 pick. I just don't believe the current lottery system is the most fair way to decide the draft order. But i digress, im just bitter because we get shafted in the draft year after year.....
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Marshall isn't that bad a shooter. He just doesn't take that many shots. As far comparing him to Rondo, he's not in the same class defensively as Rondo, but I think he's actually a better creater of shots than Rondo. I'm spliting hairs here a little, but I definitely like Marshall a lot, North Carolina, and particularly, Harrison Barnes, didn't start playing well last season until Marshall was inserted in the starting lineup.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
The biggest problem I have with Barnes is his inability to create his own shot. Whenever a top defender is on him, he disappears. He's gotten better at coming off screens, but still has a way to go. He's a very good spot up shooter, which is fine, but I think he has to do more than that to be a top five pick. I can think of a few I would take before him at the SF position. At least right now. He's still young and a good athlete, so who knows what the future holds. Take Kendall Marshall off the team, and Barnes is much less effective.
bluntsnbball
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Alright since folks seem to be high on Marshall, i have a question: Can/will tyreke play better moving off the ball? I know a lot of people still say hes not a point guard, but he does have the ball in his hands most of the game and he's done a much better job of setting guys up this season. I know he plays off ball when he plays with IT but thats generally not for too long at a time. Will he be as effective moving to the 2 position and regardless of personal stats, will the team be better if he moves to the 2?
i think personally our biggest need is at SF, but say we dont draft a SF and get Marshall (hypothetically), do you guys feel that will solve problems or just create new or "different" problems?
i think personally our biggest need is at SF, but say we dont draft a SF and get Marshall (hypothetically), do you guys feel that will solve problems or just create new or "different" problems?
My posts might have left an impression that I really like him. Well, I'm not. He has average handles and that's why he doesn't deserve to be a top-5 pick. He's actually better off the dribble than spot up I think.
P.S. As another possible 2nd round pick that would be an excellent fit I would throw Jeff Taylor from Vandy.
bluntsnbball
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Off topic, can someone or myself change the name of this thread? i'm just gettin sick of lookin at the "it's early" part. i started the whole damn thread, so i feel like there should be some option available for me to change the title.
bajaden
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Taylor may be the best defensive SF in the coming draft, and I agree, as a second round pick, he has real value. I thought he would go at the bottom of the first round last year had he stayed in the draft. He's actually not a bad scorer, he's just inconsistent. 6 of 12 one game and 2 of 12 another. But that aside, I really like Taylor. I have to say that anyway, or I have a friend that would kill me.
Actually his worst shooting nights were 3-8 and 4-11 with his overall percentages at .537 FG% and .478 3P%. Thing is he has the same percentages against 5 ranked team that Vandy played. He has some big nights where he scored one third of his team's points so that 9pt games look real odd, but Vandy is pretty diverse offensively that's why they can afford to go for certain matchups.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
To be honest, I haven't looked up his stats lately. Been busy moving from one house to the other. Just got back on line yesterday. I've probably been letting his previous years stats influence me too much. I also have a couple of Vandy games I haven't watched yet. Too many games and not enough time. For those interested in PG's, someone to watch is Scott Machado of Iona. Iona and Loyola of M, play today at 4 o'clock Pacific on ESPN U. Iona has a very good basketball team and barring a disastor should make the tournament.
Uk kings fan
Bench
right its that time again which games should i be watching this weekend i have timeings in the uk the first possible game i can watch is (23) Louisville vs West Virginia (5pm my time) and i can watch untill Ohio vs Eastern Mich (9:30 pm my time)
so i can watch any game inbetween if you have any suggestions
so i can watch any game inbetween if you have any suggestions
UConn at Syracuse and UNC vs Virginia are going on right now. I think you meant to say Ohio St. vs Michigan St.(it starts at 6PM ET though) rather than Ohio vs Eastern Mich or at least shoud have because that other game have no relevance to draft process. Mizzou will host Baylor pretty soon. And if you can catch it at 4PM ET Kansas hosts Oklahoma St. w/Lebryan Nash and Duke hosts Maryland. So lots of quality games.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Missouri/Baylor should be a very good matchup. Don't forget Thomas Robinson for Kansas. Is Robinson the next Blake Griffin? Giles, what do you thing of Quincy Milller of Baylor. Aside from a few good games by Perry Jones, I think Miller has been the best player on Baylor over the year.
Uk kings fan
Bench
i think my fav player this year (not the best i know) is Mayson Plumlee
Im really not sure what to watch because they all look bad games untill later im watching (20) Virginia vs (5) North Carolina atm and Kansas state vs Texas
Im really not sure what to watch because they all look bad games untill later im watching (20) Virginia vs (5) North Carolina atm and Kansas state vs Texas
Miller was quite hyped in HS and so far he's shown that he can score in college as well and do it very efficiently. He's very smooth and fluid and seems slow because of that, which makes people wonder whether he will defend SFs effectively at the next level. Baylor playing zone doesn't help to answer that question either. Then there are some injury concerns. In the end he's a worthy lottery pick if his health is not an issue. To go higher he has to show he can defend SFs. His team defense will probably come to light only in the NBA.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Tyler Zeller is not considered to be much, I guess, probably because he is on the same team with Barnes and Henson. Two games ago he had 23 pts and 13 rbds. Today he had 25 pts and 9 rbds. He's 7' and 250 pounds or more likely 6'11" and 220 pounds but he HAS to get some interest somewhere. Is there a team that needs a mobile 7 footer around here?
Edit: he has flown under the radar after his first two injury plagued years in college. He is not a quick defender and certainly not a shot blocker. BUT ... if Davis, Henson, and Drummond are gone and assuming Gilchrist is gone, he becomes more interesting considering the resurgence of the Kings. Lots of big guys in the draft. Lots of SFs. This is all good for us. Not sure how we can go wrong. This is a much different situation than last year.
This link seems fair. Maybe not what we want ideally but we may not be able to get who we want. If we got Zeller in a 12th pick I'd be very happy.
Edit: he has flown under the radar after his first two injury plagued years in college. He is not a quick defender and certainly not a shot blocker. BUT ... if Davis, Henson, and Drummond are gone and assuming Gilchrist is gone, he becomes more interesting considering the resurgence of the Kings. Lots of big guys in the draft. Lots of SFs. This is all good for us. Not sure how we can go wrong. This is a much different situation than last year.
This link seems fair. Maybe not what we want ideally but we may not be able to get who we want. If we got Zeller in a 12th pick I'd be very happy.
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Zeller is a very good offensive player. Thing is he's probably the only player who scored at will on Anthony Davis. Part of that was of course Kendall Marshall who made well-timed passes inside but Davis couldn't deny him deep position and Zeller converted very well despite the length of Davis. He made great strides as a rebounder this year and is top-5 in college in offensive rebounding this season. I don't think he's 220 because of his physical dominance over Davis and at offensive rebounding. DX probably have his measurements from last year or even year before. You don't trade for him using your best assets but if he's there when you pick towards the end of the lottery you take him without hesitation as he may very well be the best player still on the board. As a frontcourt mate to Cousins I doubt he works though.
Uk kings fan
Bench
will mason and miles plumlee both be in the same draft or will it just be miles this year????
Glenn
Hall of Famer
That's the problem. Seems though that anybody playing next to Cuz for an extended period seems to work.
Heck JT looks good and Zeller is better than JT. As to weight, I think 250 will be the best weight for him when he matures.I don't know why I've become his chearleader but maybe the fact no one has stopped him has something to do with it.
I am not good at breaking down skills but I have seen him get open with some pretty darn quick moves. The strength is the topping on the cake. He'll get stronger.Thanks for the input. I thought I was on an island in liking him especially at our projected draft position.
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bajaden
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Your right about not know how good a defender he'll be at the next level. Baylor always plays that 2/3 zone. I remember thinking the exact same thing about Durant when he was at Texas. Durant always looked slow to me, but like Miller, he's just so smooth he appears slow. I remember one time a long time ago when I used to race cross country in a toyota landcruiser. The original one that looked like a jeep. I had a 350 chevy in it. I was racing at the Georgetown classic, and decided to throw all caution to the wind and go for it. Turned in my personal best time, and the best time of the day. Almost killed myself doing it. Then later in the day, the big time guy that also ran the Mint 400 and the Baja 1000 showed up and ran the course. It looked like he was in slow motion. It was is he was driving in a parking lot. I was estatic while watching him run. Until I saw he beat my time by 11 seconds, which is a lot in racing. That pretty much ended any thoughts I had of being a big time cross courntry raceer.
Sometimes fast just doesn't look fast.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I have really done my best to not like Zeller. But there's denying his accomplishments this season. I really doubt he'll go as high as 11 or 12, but one never knows who will declare, and how the individual workouts will go. I'd rather have Henson, who would be a decent to good running mate with Cousins. This is a very deep draft, and a lot of players are making a case for being a lottery pick. I do think Zeller is all of 250, and probably a legit 7 foot in shoes. 250 pounds isn't that much when spread over a 7 foot frame. I wonder how good he'll be without Marshall feeding him the ball. Like you, I don't see him paired with Cousins. At least not on a regular basis.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
That's the problem. Seems though that anybody playing next to Cuz for an extended period seems to work.
I don't know why I've become his chearleader but maybe the fact no one has stopped him has something to do with it.
Thanks for the input. I thought I was on an island in liking him especially at our projected draft position.
The biggest problem with Zeller and Cousins on the floor together, is that one of them has to guard the other teams PF. JT is quick enough to do that, I doubt Zeller is. Putting Cousins on guys like West, Stoudemire, Landry, etc. is just asking for him to foul out of the game. I'm sure that if you asked him, he'd tell you no problem. Right now, Cousins is quicker than most of the centers he has to play. I sort of perfer it that way. All of this doesn't mean you shouldn't draft Zeller if he's the best player on the board. But to my mind, our biggest need is at the SF position, and there are a lot of them in this draft.
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