It's early, but anybody have a draft wish list yet?
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Mason plumlee had a great game too for duke (double double) 15 points and 17 redounds he was the best on the court and his class showed, Moe Harkless scored nine points in two mins and got 30 points and 12 rebounds not sure if he is going to make it but he didnt look to bad... Ryan Kelly was the next best with 16 points and 9 rebounds
In the kentucky game Anthony Davis, had another superb game with 16 points, 10 rebounds and three blocks, going 6-6 from the field the kentucky team really capitulated when he was injured.... anouther good player was Terrence Jones (27 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks, 2 steals and 0 turnovers) but the announcer was saying he has not done that very often...
In the kentucky game Anthony Davis, had another superb game with 16 points, 10 rebounds and three blocks, going 6-6 from the field the kentucky team really capitulated when he was injured.... anouther good player was Terrence Jones (27 points, 9 rebounds, 3 blocks, 2 steals and 0 turnovers) but the announcer was saying he has not done that very often...
Scott Machado had a typical game, except for his assist totals being down. Only 5 assists is not good when your averaging 10 per game against 3.4 turnovers. But in general a pretty good game and another win for Iona. The 6'1" PG had 18 pts, 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 2 steals and 1 blocked shot.
Machado is shooting 47.5% overall and 40.0% from beyond the arc. He plays both ends of the court. It will be interesting to see how he does against tougher competiton down the road.
Not a good game yesterday for Gilchrist offensively, going 0 for 5 from the floor. But typical Gilchrist game in what he brought defensively. I'd like to mention a player for Kentucky that goes unnoticed most of the time on these kind of fourms. And thats Darius Miller. He's the first player off the bench, and at 6'8", he can defend three positions, and defend them well. He's also a capable offensive player, who has no problem deferring to the other players on the team. I think that as a second round pick, he would be an excellent pickup for a team looking for a solid rotational player.
Machado is shooting 47.5% overall and 40.0% from beyond the arc. He plays both ends of the court. It will be interesting to see how he does against tougher competiton down the road.
Not a good game yesterday for Gilchrist offensively, going 0 for 5 from the floor. But typical Gilchrist game in what he brought defensively. I'd like to mention a player for Kentucky that goes unnoticed most of the time on these kind of fourms. And thats Darius Miller. He's the first player off the bench, and at 6'8", he can defend three positions, and defend them well. He's also a capable offensive player, who has no problem deferring to the other players on the team. I think that as a second round pick, he would be an excellent pickup for a team looking for a solid rotational player.
now watched Michigan vs Ohio st.... really good game with a few draft potential players
ohio ran away with it and player of the game was Lenzelle Smith Jr (17 points and 12 rebounds)... Jared Sullinger had an average game by his standards (13 points and 5 rebounds) he will have to do better if he wants to be a top palyer in the NBA, Aaron Craft (7 points, 2 rebounds and 4 assists) also didnt have a great game but the stats dont tell the full story he wasnt that bad... and the last of the ohio 3 is William Buford (12 points and 5 rebounds) however gave away 6 turnovers and really didnt get up to speed
For Michigan it was a one man team Tim Hardaway Jr (15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal and block) it wasnt the best game of his life but it wasnt too shabby
ohio ran away with it and player of the game was Lenzelle Smith Jr (17 points and 12 rebounds)... Jared Sullinger had an average game by his standards (13 points and 5 rebounds) he will have to do better if he wants to be a top palyer in the NBA, Aaron Craft (7 points, 2 rebounds and 4 assists) also didnt have a great game but the stats dont tell the full story he wasnt that bad... and the last of the ohio 3 is William Buford (12 points and 5 rebounds) however gave away 6 turnovers and really didnt get up to speed
For Michigan it was a one man team Tim Hardaway Jr (15 points, 5 rebounds, 3 assists, 1 steal and block) it wasnt the best game of his life but it wasnt too shabby
I'm really starting to like John Henson a lot more. He looks much bulkier and stronger than he has been before. Obviously he's a great shotblocker, and he alters many, many more at the rim. I also think he's got a solid skill set to build upon offensively. I certainly don't believe he'll be a liability on offense. He's a great consolation prize for a team like us. He's a more realistic target than Davis given where we're likely to end up in the lottery. He's just growing on me - I think he's a very good athlete for his size, too.
EDIT: Also want to mention Marshall, who is the definition of a pure PG. He's definitely someone I'd love to have if we could get another first round pick. I don't see any way he doesn't contribute on an NBA team, he gets everyone involved.
This is going to be a very interesting draft. SF is clearly our biggest need but there's so many prospects that I really like.
EDIT: Also want to mention Marshall, who is the definition of a pure PG. He's definitely someone I'd love to have if we could get another first round pick. I don't see any way he doesn't contribute on an NBA team, he gets everyone involved.
This is going to be a very interesting draft. SF is clearly our biggest need but there's so many prospects that I really like.
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I'm thinking along the same lines. In fact we almost can draft for need instead of BPA. If we ignore the players that will be gone before we draft, there still are some major players available. I liked Henson last year except for his scrawny frame. He is working on that successfully and I believe leads the Div I in blocks. Someone correct me if I am wrong. We have a perfect need for what he can bring. There is Gilchrist who may drop to where we are. He is an energizer bunny and doesn't need to shoot to contribute what WE need. VERY skilled. I like him a lot and hope he falls under the radar on draft day and as a non-shooter just might. Barnes can shoot. Reminds me of Ray Allen. If we picked Barnes (doubt if he will be available) we would need to trade a shooter like Thornton or somehow make better sense out of what then would be the Jimmer/Thornton mess. (My opinion, of course.)
And this is only the two teams I have watched. I didn't mention Perry (?) Jones of NC. In this one game he didn't stand out like Barnes, Gilchrist, and Henson as a future NBA player. That doesn't mean he wouldn't be a major addition as well as many others. It's a great draft, folks.
Enjoy the bad year and look for a major addition to the Kings and not only major talent but major talent where we need it. There is major defensive talent at the SF and C position that just might be available to us. We actually might be able to construct a team through the draft over 4 years of picking. Remarkable if it works.
As to rainmaker's concern of yet another child added to a team that needs immediate help to maintain Cuz and Reke when they can leave, I think Reke and Cuz should be able to see what the additions since they arrived on the scene so many years ago
can do. Henson, as an example, is the type of player very hard to find whether by trade or FA. He's had two years of experience in a major program and may come to the NBA in better shape than most other draftees. He would fit very nicely with Cuz.
And this is only the two teams I have watched. I didn't mention Perry (?) Jones of NC. In this one game he didn't stand out like Barnes, Gilchrist, and Henson as a future NBA player. That doesn't mean he wouldn't be a major addition as well as many others. It's a great draft, folks.
Enjoy the bad year and look for a major addition to the Kings and not only major talent but major talent where we need it. There is major defensive talent at the SF and C position that just might be available to us. We actually might be able to construct a team through the draft over 4 years of picking. Remarkable if it works.
As to rainmaker's concern of yet another child added to a team that needs immediate help to maintain Cuz and Reke when they can leave, I think Reke and Cuz should be able to see what the additions since they arrived on the scene so many years ago
can do. Henson, as an example, is the type of player very hard to find whether by trade or FA. He's had two years of experience in a major program and may come to the NBA in better shape than most other draftees. He would fit very nicely with Cuz.
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Maybe i'm just biased against Duke players, but i don't like Plumlee. At least not in the first round. I just dont feel like he's the most skilled player, he's all hustle and heart. And while many Duke players translate to the league, i feel like a lot of college players thrive in the Duke system but really struggle when they're in the NBA in different systems.
We need more picks in this draft!!!
We need more picks in this draft!!!
The more I watch Kidd-Gilchrist, the more I start salivating at the mouth. The guy reminds me so much of a young AK47, and the way he works his *** off on the defensive end/rebounding really is impressive. He's exactly what this team needs at the 3(outside of not being a good 3pt shooter) and I could easily see him being a 15pts 7boards 3 assists 2 steals 1 block a game while being able to be a lockdown NBA defender. Athletes with his hustle/energy/drive/talent level don't come around very much in the draft
Henson is towards the top in blocks (not fully sure where exactly), but he doesn't lead the nation in blocks. That goes to Anthony Davis, who is at 4.6 (!!!) for the year. Henson isn't too far behind with 3.3. Both are very good fits next to Cousins, at least on paper. They're both mobile and can run the floor also.
I'm a huge fan of Gilcrist, like everyone else. I just don't want to get my hopes up because I think it's unlikely that we'll get him. I'm lukewarm on Barnes. He can shoot but doesn't do anything else, and isn't very good at creating his own shot. I think he'll be a good player, but never great and probably not a great fit for this team.
Perry Jones plays for Baylor. Although if the two teams you've watched are NC and Kentucky, you're doing fine. They have about 8 very good NBA prospects between them.
Lucking out and getting the number one pick would be justice for all the years of dropping down. It won't happen, but I can dream. Cousins and Davis would be a beastly frontcourt. Get another first rounder and nab a SF and it's my dream draft.
I'm a huge fan of Gilcrist, like everyone else. I just don't want to get my hopes up because I think it's unlikely that we'll get him. I'm lukewarm on Barnes. He can shoot but doesn't do anything else, and isn't very good at creating his own shot. I think he'll be a good player, but never great and probably not a great fit for this team.
Perry Jones plays for Baylor. Although if the two teams you've watched are NC and Kentucky, you're doing fine. They have about 8 very good NBA prospects between them.
Lucking out and getting the number one pick would be justice for all the years of dropping down. It won't happen, but I can dream. Cousins and Davis would be a beastly frontcourt. Get another first rounder and nab a SF and it's my dream draft.
Well, that proves I don't pay attention to college basketball. I can't tell a Jones from a Jones and Davis stats from Henson stats. I have dishonored the names of bajaden and Dime Dropper who are my mentors. Gomen nasai! I have a small collection of very sharp wakizashis I could fall on so take your pick. One is short enough to work for a right honorable sepukku.
Draft pickers and GMs in general as witnessed by the money they pay for certain skills, love scorers and tend to overlook defenders and glue guys. I guesss they think they will fall from heaven unless they are very, very tall and then the trees get over valued. I think Barnes won't be available when we pick nor (sigh!) Davis unless we totally collapse but the end of our season should pump our record up. I'd love Davis and his body will become a nice NBA body.
After watching Barnes beginning of last year I have never recovered my affection for him yet I think he will go high. He'll score because of his sweet stroke, sure, but that isn't what our team needs and I'm not convinced he is worth shuffling players around on a team already unstable. Maybe that's the wrong way of looking at things or at least a different way of looking at things. As our team is constructed and as he might be a (valuable) one trick pony, I don't want him. Blasphemy, I presume. I can live with the criticism.
Gilchrist on the other hand could fall a little as there are times (at least in the one game I watched) where he doesn't score. Wish JJ would have watched. He is a whirling dirvish of intelligent athleticism at a position we need help at (Ivy League grads please excuse sentence construction).
I like Henson and think he will be there for us. This is a more than a one year love affair on my part. I also hear Zeller whispering in my ear but he will go later. Still. He's interesting and never mentioned Hmmm, maybe for a reason but could be had for a middle round pick I presume and seems a bit more "directed" than JJ.
The Jones boys I simply don't know.
There is a curiosity in the way I look at college basketball players and I think it is why I don't watch college. This is obviously beating my own drum but I swear I can see NBA talent which is different than college talent. The people I have mentioned are NBA talent - even Zeller - at some point but not many others stand out. I'll keep watching. And .... I don't know what I am seeing to say such an outrageous thing.
Edit: Just re-read Dime Dropper's note. After watching NC and Kentucky it passed through my mind that there was a darn good NBA team that could be constructed from the two teams. And I am NOT joking.
One is short enough to work for a right honorable sepukku.Draft pickers and GMs in general as witnessed by the money they pay for certain skills, love scorers and tend to overlook defenders and glue guys. I guesss they think they will fall from heaven unless they are very, very tall and then the trees get over valued. I think Barnes won't be available when we pick nor (sigh!) Davis unless we totally collapse but the end of our season should pump our record up. I'd love Davis and his body will become a nice NBA body.
After watching Barnes beginning of last year I have never recovered my affection for him yet I think he will go high. He'll score because of his sweet stroke, sure, but that isn't what our team needs and I'm not convinced he is worth shuffling players around on a team already unstable. Maybe that's the wrong way of looking at things or at least a different way of looking at things. As our team is constructed and as he might be a (valuable) one trick pony, I don't want him. Blasphemy, I presume. I can live with the criticism.
Gilchrist on the other hand could fall a little as there are times (at least in the one game I watched) where he doesn't score. Wish JJ would have watched. He is a whirling dirvish of intelligent athleticism at a position we need help at (Ivy League grads please excuse sentence construction).
I like Henson and think he will be there for us. This is a more than a one year love affair on my part. I also hear Zeller whispering in my ear but he will go later. Still. He's interesting and never mentioned Hmmm, maybe for a reason but could be had for a middle round pick I presume and seems a bit more "directed" than JJ.
The Jones boys I simply don't know.
There is a curiosity in the way I look at college basketball players and I think it is why I don't watch college. This is obviously beating my own drum but I swear I can see NBA talent which is different than college talent. The people I have mentioned are NBA talent - even Zeller - at some point but not many others stand out. I'll keep watching.
And .... I don't know what I am seeing to say such an outrageous thing.Edit: Just re-read Dime Dropper's note. After watching NC and Kentucky it passed through my mind that there was a darn good NBA team that could be constructed from the two teams. And I am NOT joking.
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Well, that proves I don't pay attention to college basketball. I can't tell a Jones from a Jones and Davis stats from Henson stats. I have dishonored the names of bajaden and Dime Dropper who are my mentors. Gomen nasai! I have a small collection of very sharp wakizashis I could fall on so take your pick. One is short enough to work for a right honorable sepukku.
Draft pickers and GMs in general as witnessed by the money they pay for certain skills, love scorers and tend to overlook defenders and glue guys. I guesss they think they will fall from heaven unless they are very, very tall and then the trees get over valued. I think Barnes won't be available when we pick nor (sigh!) Davis unless we totally collapse but the end of our season should pump our record up. I'd love Davis and his body will become a nice NBA body.
After watching Barnes beginning of last year I have never recovered my affection for him yet I think he will go high. He'll score because of his sweet stroke, sure, but that isn't what our team needs and I'm not convinced he is worth shuffling players around on a team already unstable. Maybe that's the wrong way of looking at things or at least a different way of looking at things. As our team is constructed and as he might be a (valuable) one trick pony, I don't want him. Blasphemy, I presume. I can live with the criticism.
Gilchrist on the other hand could fall a little as there are times (at least in the one game I watched) where he doesn't score. Wish JJ would have watched. He is a whirling dirvish of intelligent athleticism at a position we need help at (Ivy League grads please excuse sentence construction).
I like Henson and think he will be there for us. This is a more than a one year love affair on my part. I also hear Zeller whispering in my ear but he will go later. Still. He's interesting and never mentioned Hmmm, maybe for a reason but could be had for a middle round pick I presume and seems a bit more "directed" than JJ.
The Jones boys I simply don't know.
There is a curiosity in the way I look at college basketball players and I think it is why I don't watch college. This is obviously beating my own drum but I swear I can see NBA talent which is different than college talent. The people I have mentioned are NBA talent - even Zeller - at some point but not many others stand out. I'll keep watching. And .... I don't know what I am seeing to say such an outrageous thing.
Edit: Just re-read Dime Dropper's note. After watching NC and Kentucky it passed through my mind that there was a darn good NBA team that could be constructed from the two teams. And I am NOT joking.
One is short enough to work for a right honorable sepukku.Draft pickers and GMs in general as witnessed by the money they pay for certain skills, love scorers and tend to overlook defenders and glue guys. I guesss they think they will fall from heaven unless they are very, very tall and then the trees get over valued. I think Barnes won't be available when we pick nor (sigh!) Davis unless we totally collapse but the end of our season should pump our record up. I'd love Davis and his body will become a nice NBA body.
After watching Barnes beginning of last year I have never recovered my affection for him yet I think he will go high. He'll score because of his sweet stroke, sure, but that isn't what our team needs and I'm not convinced he is worth shuffling players around on a team already unstable. Maybe that's the wrong way of looking at things or at least a different way of looking at things. As our team is constructed and as he might be a (valuable) one trick pony, I don't want him. Blasphemy, I presume. I can live with the criticism.
Gilchrist on the other hand could fall a little as there are times (at least in the one game I watched) where he doesn't score. Wish JJ would have watched. He is a whirling dirvish of intelligent athleticism at a position we need help at (Ivy League grads please excuse sentence construction).
I like Henson and think he will be there for us. This is a more than a one year love affair on my part. I also hear Zeller whispering in my ear but he will go later. Still. He's interesting and never mentioned Hmmm, maybe for a reason but could be had for a middle round pick I presume and seems a bit more "directed" than JJ.
The Jones boys I simply don't know.
There is a curiosity in the way I look at college basketball players and I think it is why I don't watch college. This is obviously beating my own drum but I swear I can see NBA talent which is different than college talent. The people I have mentioned are NBA talent - even Zeller - at some point but not many others stand out. I'll keep watching.
And .... I don't know what I am seeing to say such an outrageous thing.Edit: Just re-read Dime Dropper's note. After watching NC and Kentucky it passed through my mind that there was a darn good NBA team that could be constructed from the two teams. And I am NOT joking.
Davis and Cuz are great and compliment each other as well as any pair could do. They would be the bigs for more than a decade and supply a stability offensively and defensively that most teams dream of. Now, am I over the top? I really don't think so. It won't happen but we ARE creeping in that downward direction that could get us Davis. It is difficult to root for a loss but when losing for one year can give us a decade of very, very fine basketball makes it something I can swallow.
On a lesser scale, Henson is a mini-Davis and HE might just be there where we pick. As a stand alone center/pf he is too skinny but as a partner to Cuz, the size is less of a problem as we are talking about a pair being more than the sum of its parts.
Get us a trade and let us have Gilchrist also but frankly, the big guys win out over a SF 9 times out of 10. I would trade Hickson or someone of that caliber to get Zeller. I am not a bajaden so don't know much but I swear that Zeller guy is getting noticeably better and like Henson, causes moment to pause because of his frame. In any case, I don't get to pick and we'll see how this all plays out.
On a lesser scale, Henson is a mini-Davis and HE might just be there where we pick. As a stand alone center/pf he is too skinny but as a partner to Cuz, the size is less of a problem as we are talking about a pair being more than the sum of its parts.
Get us a trade and let us have Gilchrist also but frankly, the big guys win out over a SF 9 times out of 10. I would trade Hickson or someone of that caliber to get Zeller. I am not a bajaden so don't know much but I swear that Zeller guy is getting noticeably better and like Henson, causes moment to pause because of his frame. In any case, I don't get to pick and we'll see how this all plays out.
No flak from me. In fact, it is likely that there will be a player better than Thornton in the top 10. How about we totally suck this year, make a trade for a top 10, and draft Gilchrist and Davis? Or if we are really concerned that losing Thornton would disrupt our firepower, get Barnes. Lots of options.
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Kansas at Mizzou - Robinson will have a decent match in Ratliffe
North Carolina at Maryland - will be a decent test for all the UNC prospects since Maryland have a flying under radar freshman 7-footer in Alex Len who will be a lottery pick eventually.
ESPN3 will show Seton Hall at UConn - Drummond was clearly outplayed by Herb Pope the last time.
Baylor at Oklahoma State might be interesting - PJIII is a major prospect and LeBryan Nash(GOAT name in basketball) is showing signs of life lately.
Of course all top-3 teams(Kentucky, Syracuse and Ohio State) are playing as well. I refer you to every mock draft in the country for a list of draftable players on those teams.
Watch Kentucky!Kansas at Mizzou - Robinson will have a decent match in Ratliffe
North Carolina at Maryland - will be a decent test for all the UNC prospects since Maryland have a flying under radar freshman 7-footer in Alex Len who will be a lottery pick eventually.
ESPN3 will show Seton Hall at UConn - Drummond was clearly outplayed by Herb Pope the last time.
Baylor at Oklahoma State might be interesting - PJIII is a major prospect and LeBryan Nash(GOAT name in basketball) is showing signs of life lately.
Of course all top-3 teams(Kentucky, Syracuse and Ohio State) are playing as well. I refer you to every mock draft in the country for a list of draftable players on those teams.
Apparently Chad Ford can read minds (and talk to people or maybe just talk for them ). So asked if given second pick with Davis gone who would they pick this were the answers:
Charlotte - Barnes
Detroit - Drummond
New Orleans - Drummond
Washington - Barnes
Toronto - Barnes
Sacramento - Kidd-Gilchrist
Nets - Drummond
Knicks - Barnes
Suns - Barnes
Warriors - Drummond
Cavaliers - Barnes
Grizzlies - Drummond
Houston - Drummond
). So asked if given second pick with Davis gone who would they pick this were the answers:Charlotte - Barnes
Detroit - Drummond
New Orleans - Drummond
Washington - Barnes
Toronto - Barnes
Sacramento - Kidd-Gilchrist
Nets - Drummond
Knicks - Barnes
Suns - Barnes
Warriors - Drummond
Cavaliers - Barnes
Grizzlies - Drummond
Houston - Drummond
Well that raises an interesting question. In some alternate universe where the Kings actually get the 2nd pick in the draft, who is the most desirable player? I think its definitely between Gilchrist and Drummond, but who do we value more? Obviously the SF position is the teams biggest weakness by FAR, but who has more upside/chances of being an impact player at the next level?
I think if Drummond is there you just have to take him. He's already a very good defender and his HS career is very similar to Cousins where he was just allowed to freelance and has no post skills because of that. Another thing that's really limiting him is FTs. He's beyond atrocious at 38% I think so he's very concious when getting the ball as opponents play him very rough since fouling him is no big deal. His putbacks are rushed shots because of that as well. My opinion of him is more athletic Cousins with less rebounding and post play but much better defense. He's a very talented kid who's very uncomfortable at the moment because of his inexperience in current role and limitations. Calhoun is also dealing with health issues so that's gotta be a factor as well.