Iggy

[rainmaker]

So I was watching the Kia NBA Shootaround before the game, and Chris B brought up three rumors. The 2nd, was that Iggy/Collins have an up and down relationship, and they will probably try to move him this summer. As I've mentioned previously, I saw this rumor pop up again a little over a month ago.

Chris also brought up last summer they had a trade set up, an Iggy/Monta swap, and ownership shot it down, but ownership is now more willing to deal him.

So my question is, if we pick outside of the top 2, would you offer our pick plus MT for Iggy? MT and Monta aren't the same, but are similar. I do think Monta is the better player, but both are tweener-scorers who can light up any team when hot. MT would actually help spread the defense as well, or better than Monta for them, and if Spencer sticks around they have a good high post passer to get him open looks. Also would have MT locked up for 3 more years, and Collins would probably bring more out of him than Smart. The plan from Philly's perspective is also to hand the team over to Turner, so they could have Turner/MT on the wings. Plus the pick, which could be a better deal than the simply Monta, which was on the table last summer.

Of course shooting becomes a problem, and the hope is Reke becomes at least respectable, but right now the larger concern for me is defense, and getting a SF, then worry about shooting, not vise versa.

 

[Nighthawk1]

It's an interesting concept. I like iggy the player. Do we give up our best chucker for him? Who would you propose start (1-3 only)? If I think Jimmer is going to get it and be our designated sharp shooter this season then i'd be all for it, or if we fall into a Beal/Lamb as our pick.

 

[Boogie-havoc]

That's too much value just for Iggy who'll be an expiring contract if he decides not to pick up his player option.

So it's likely if he doesn't buy into Sacramento and what we have going that we'll leave us with nothing for a 1 year rental as a free agent, as we give up an up and coming 20 ppg SG with a good long contract, and a top 6 draft pick in a loaded draft.

At minimum i'd want the Sixers pick in return in that package, and I won't do it unless I know what Iggy is thinking about resigning with us, and how he feels about moving to Sacramento short and long term.

 

[Mass]

I'd consider it if we end up at the 5th or 6th spot. I think the pick would be enough for Iggy, without adding Thornton. They want to trade him, he has a big salary, so the pick should be the right offer.

He is not a great shooter (but this year he had a good season) and this could be a problem. But he's a great defender, a veteran and with him and Tyreke at the 2, we would have enough D to have IT as our starting PG.

 

[rainmaker]

It's an interesting concept. I like iggy the player. Do we give up our best chucker for him? Who would you propose start (1-3 only)? If I think Jimmer is going to get it and be our designated sharp shooter this season then i'd be all for it, or if we fall into a Beal/Lamb as our pick.

Thing is, there aren't any great shooting SF's available as FA's who could actually start. Maybe a guy like Mike Miller becomes available on the trade block, but would anyone want him starting over a guy like Iggy? I wouldn't. He's rarely healthy anymore anyway. The key in my mind is a very good to great defender at the 3 spot. I say that, because other than maybe Batum who Por will keep, there just isn't a good shooting SF out there who will be available, who won't hurt us on defense or who is even starting caliber. GWall might be available, but 1) I don't see him freely coming here if he does opt out and 2) it looks like NJ/NY will bring him back with a multi year deal and 3) we'd have the same shooting problems with him as with Iggy, or similar.

So....this puts a lot of pressure on Reke to become respectable. But I personally don't want more shooting at the expense of defense. Right now it would be IT/Reke/Iggy if this were to happen, but maybe we upgrade at PG and bring IT off the bench.

We have to do something, and this seems more realistic than many options. He's a defender, playoff experience, USA experience, and isn't on the downside of his career. It's not perfect, but we're the Kings, and we're owned by the Maloofs. I'd welcome more liekly scenarios which help as much as this would.

 

[DesertFox]

If they send their pick and take on Outlaw or Salmons in return too that would be a fine trade.

I could see a starting lineup of Jimmer/Reke/Iggy/JT or ?/Cousins, because Jimmer wouldn't have to worry about handling the ball and defensively you can hide him with 2 strong perimeter defenders around.
IT would still get more minutes than Jimmer, just coming off the bench therefore maximizing the time away from Evans. That keeps the bench strong and both lineups have decent size.

 

[The_Jamal]

If we could work Iggy out on a long-term deal, I'd be all for it. He'd come in and be our best player right off the bat until Cousins develops further

 

[Bricklayer]

If we put Thronton on the trade block, then thornton adn the pick our our 2 biggest chips to get something done this summe. I would be EXTREMELY hesitant to burn both of them on one throw jsut ot end up with Iggy, who still wouldn't solve our interior defensive problem, who might not leave room for TWill, who might not fit next to Reke etc. Now if they wanted to swap him striaght across for Thronton, my ears would perk up. But this is a strong draft, Iggy averaged 12ppg this season and is athleticsm reliant -- he's not a superstar. For a reasonable price, I gobble him up and figure up the other questions later. For all our best chips, not so much.

 

[Bricklayer]

If we could work Iggy out on a long-term deal, I'd be all for it. He'd come in and be our best player right off the bat until Cousins develops further

He's not that good. He really isn't. If he were better than Cousins, his tenure in Philadelphia would never have been as shaky as it has been. He is a very good player. At his peak a borderline All Star guy. Not sure he can still do that. But even when he could he wasn;t a carry you himself sort of guy. And that's comeing from somebody who has always lioked what he did bring. But it was never #1 star stuff.

 

[The_Jamal]

He's not that good. He really isn't. If he were better than Cousins, his tenure in Philadelphia would never have been as shaky as it has been. He is a very good player. At his peak a borderline All Star guy. Not sure he can still do that. But even when he could he wasn;t a carry you himself sort of guy. And that's comeing from somebody who has always lioked what he did bring. But it was never #1 star stuff.

For a guy who preaches defense as much as you do, you really really underrate the impact he makes defensively. He was in talks as DPOY this season the first 30 games of the year and he's the unquestioned #2 perimeter defender in basketball (some aspects of his defense are better than LeBron)

Now, you are correct in saying he is not a #1 option offensively. But he's more than capable of being a #2 to a guy like Cousins, be a brilliant facilitator, rebound well for a wing player, and defend the best perimeter player on the court on a nightly basis. In a sense, his game is a very poor man's version of LeBron.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

Hmm. MT and the pick for Iggy seems a bit steep to me.

I'd see if they bite on Jimmer and the Pick, or MT and Jimmer.

 

[rainmaker]

MT + the pick is probably too high. It was more of a general guideline for this idea outside of the top two, and for some reason I keep getting the feeling we'll end up picking 6 or 7, which I hope my intuition is dead wrong about.

So is MT and the 3 or 5 pick too high? Yes, probably. But MT and the 6th or 7th pick? I consider it. I'd definitely see what else we could get in a package first, but I really am not high on bringing in another kid who needs time to develop, but that's just me. Maybe Philly ends up picking below us, so we can swap picks as well, which would be an idea. Maybe if we get the 3 or 5 pick that's enough without MT, in which case I wouldn't hesitate. Workouts will tell a lot, but the last thing this team needs is another project, which we're horrible at developing in the first place.

 

[ParniValjak]

MT + the pick is probably too high. It was more of a general guideline for this idea outside of the top two, and for some reason I keep getting the feeling we'll end up picking 6 or 7, which I hope my intuition is dead wrong about.

So is MT and the 3 or 5 pick too high? Yes, probably. But MT and the 6th or 7th pick? I consider it. I'd definitely see what else we could get in a package first, but I really am not high on bringing in another kid who needs time to develop, but that's just me. Maybe Philly ends up picking below us, so we can swap picks as well, which would be an idea. Maybe if we get the 3 or 5 pick that's enough without MT, in which case I wouldn't hesitate. Workouts will tell a lot, but the last thing this team needs is another project, which we're horrible at developing in the first place.

I would definitely be open to the idea but I am not sure we can get this deal done without sending a contract to Philly so a pick for Iggy would not work. We can't do it because of cap room but we won't do it. Simple as that.

I am in favour trading both our pick (if outside top 3) and Thornton to address other needs on this team. Like you I suspect we end up picking 6th or 7th which is wortless really so I would package MT and the pick for a defensive stud coming back our way. I would prefer that the stud in question is an interior shotblocker/defender but a stud wing defender would be great too.

Iggy is still a bit undersized for a SF but he at least gets the job done defensively and can be effective offensively without being ball dominant. I would still rather Batum but that is a pipe dream.

 

[Bricklayer]

For a guy who preaches defense as much as you do, you really really underrate the impact he makes defensively. He was in talks as DPOY this season the first 30 games of the year and he's the unquestioned #2 perimeter defender in basketball (some aspects of his defense are better than LeBron)

Now, you are correct in saying he is not a #1 option offensively. But he's more than capable of being a #2 to a guy like Cousins, be a brilliant facilitator, rebound well for a wing player, and defend the best perimeter player on the court on a nightly basis. In a sense, his game is a very poor man's version of LeBron.

It is a question of cost, and just as importantly how few assets we have to improve with. Iggy, in a vaccum, can play on my team any day. Acquire him and a serious shotblocker at the #4 and you've taken huge strides forward. But given our assets, that becomes almost impossible if you burn both a very valuable pick and one of the better SGs in the league to get him. And Iggy has also seen his scoring average drop 5 years in a row and averaged 12.4pts/gm last year. He's now a #3 guy. The great roleplayer after the two main stars.

 

[jalfa]

For a guy who preaches defense as much as you do, you really really underrate the impact he makes defensively. He was in talks as DPOY this season the first 30 games of the year and he's the unquestioned #2 perimeter defender in basketball (some aspects of his defense are better than LeBron)

Now, you are correct in saying he is not a #1 option offensively. But he's more than capable of being a #2 to a guy like Cousins, be a brilliant facilitator, rebound well for a wing player, and defend the best perimeter player on the court on a nightly basis. In a sense, his game is a very poor man's version of LeBron.

Tony Allen?

 

[twslam07]

Right now it would be IT/Reke/Iggy if this were to happen, but maybe we upgrade at PG and bring IT off the bench.

Or it could be Evans/Williams/Iguodala with Thomas off the bench. Shooting would be below average, but the athleticism, size, rebounding, ballhandling, and passing would be above average. Not to mention the defense would be stellar.

 

[twslam07]

The key in my mind is a very good to great defender at the 3 spot. I say that, because other than maybe Batum who Por will keep, there just isn't a good shooting SF out there who will be available, who won't hurt us on defense or who is even starting caliber.

What about offering the same deal but for a newly signed Batum? Not sure if Portland would do it considering they have Matthews.

 

[Boogie-havoc]

I think the way Philly and esp Evan Turner in the playoffs is doing is working in our favor lowering Iggy's value.

They seem to be headed to an Evan Turner future with Iggy having a short for too overpaid contract they'd prolly want to get rid of with some value.

I think we can do a #5 + bad contract('s) for Iggy + #15.

Say

Kings trade : Salmons + #5
76ers trade : Iguodala + #15

Or

Kings trade : Outlaw + Garcia + #5
76ers trade : Iguodala + #15

For us the real issue would be if Iggy is willing to commit to us longterm, and also the amount of money he'd want (Obviously would need to be less then the current one) - but overall he's a great fit, and this is a fair value for both teams.

We fill that huge SF void with one of the best defenders in the league, a veteran presence in the locker-room, a guy who can lead and set the tone for us defensively - while also being an elite playmaker from the 3 position, a fantastic transition player - and a very underrated catch and shoot player who fits our group almost perfectly where he won't be asked to create off the dribble which highlights his limitations and focus on what he does best - and also helps us fix the roster logjam moving Reke to the 2, with MT23 moving to the Harden/Manu role as a 6th man scoring punch off the bench.

With the 15h pick we ideally grab John Henson or Terrance Jones if they drop - or more likely Meyers Leonard who's an athletic 7'1 with plenty of skills and with fantastic upside - He's raw and would be a project - but his upside for his size, athletic ability and skills is a perfect gamble at the 15th spot.

If we don't win Davis and get good vibes from Iggy on such a deal, i'd be absolutely "all in" for such a trade.

 

[Boogie-havoc]

Almost every Sixers fan I showed this trade to (with Garcia and Outlaw) had a positive feedback btw.

 

[bajaden]

I think the way Philly and esp Evan Turner in the playoffs is doing is working in our favor lowering Iggy's value.

They seem to be headed to an Evan Turner future with Iggy having a short for too overpaid contract they'd prolly want to get rid of with some value.

I think we can do a #5 + bad contract('s) for Iggy + #15.

Say

Kings trade : Salmons + #5
76ers trade : Iguodala + #15

Or

Kings trade : Outlaw + Garcia + #5
76ers trade : Iguodala + #15

For us the real issue would be if Iggy is willing to commit to us longterm, and also the amount of money he'd want (Obviously would need to be less then the current one) - but overall he's a great fit, and this is a fair value for both teams.

We fill that huge SF void with one of the best defenders in the league, a veteran presence in the locker-room, a guy who can lead and set the tone for us defensively - while also being an elite playmaker from the 3 position, a fantastic transition player - and a very underrated catch and shoot player who fits our group almost perfectly where he won't be asked to create off the dribble which highlights his limitations and focus on what he does best - and also helps us fix the roster logjam moving Reke to the 2, with MT23 moving to the Harden/Manu role as a 6th man scoring punch off the bench.

With the 15h pick we ideally grab John Henson or Terrance Jones if they drop - or more likely Meyers Leonard who's an athletic 7'1 with plenty of skills and with fantastic upside - He's raw and would be a project - but his upside for his size, athletic ability and skills is a perfect gamble at the 15th spot.

If we don't win Davis and get good vibes from Iggy on such a deal, i'd be absolutely "all in" for such a trade.

If we do end up at 5 or 6, then I would do that trade. At 15, I doubt you'll get T. Jones, but if there, I'd take him. Otherwise, I'd go with Leonard over Henson, simply because of his size, and athleticism. Athletic 7'1" players just don't grow on trees. I felt that Leonard was misused at Illinios, but thats another story. Another guy, and a favorite of mine is Jeffery Taylor. Just because we have Iggy, doesn't mean we couldn't double down on the position. Taylor was the second best defensive SF in college last season. And, he can shoot the rock. Lastly, I like Moultrie. I guess the point is, that there's a lot of talent in this draft, even down at 15 and beyond.

 

[Bricklayer]

If we do end up at 5 or 6, then I would do that trade. At 15, I doubt you'll get T. Jones, but if there, I'd take him. Otherwise, I'd go with Leonard over Henson, simply because of his size, and athleticism. Athletic 7'1" players just don't grow on trees. I felt that Leonard was misused at Illinios, but thats another story. Another guy, and a favorite of mine is Jeffery Taylor. Just because we have Iggy, doesn't mean we couldn't double down on the position. Taylor was the second best defensive SF in college last season. And, he can shoot the rock. Lastly, I like Moultrie. I guess the point is, that there's a lot of talent in this draft, even down at 15 and beyond.

I'm kinda hoping if we do get Iggy that we still decide to keep TWill. Shooting probelms aside, a Reke/TWill/Iggy atheltic trio has destructive possibliites in spurts.

 

[bajaden]

I'm kinda hoping if we do get Iggy that we still decide to keep TWill. Shooting probelms aside, a Reke/TWill/Iggy atheltic trio has destructive possibliites in spurts.

I was impressed with T Will. He played much better than I expected. But like everyone else, when you watch from afar, your still left with your original impression, and not allowing for growth. In his case, his shot has improved, and he's using all his talents the way they should be used. And, he still has room for improvement. I'd like to see that improvement happen with the Kings. I think its safe to say, that if you replace Outlaw and Cisco, with T Will and Iggy, you've improved your team.

 

[Uncia03]

If we do end up at 5 or 6, then I would do that trade. At 15, I doubt you'll get T. Jones, but if there, I'd take him. Otherwise, I'd go with Leonard over Henson, simply because of his size, and athleticism. Athletic 7'1" players just don't grow on trees. I felt that Leonard was misused at Illinios, but thats another story. Another guy, and a favorite of mine is Jeffery Taylor. Just because we have Iggy, doesn't mean we couldn't double down on the position. Taylor was the second best defensive SF in college last season. And, he can shoot the rock. Lastly, I like Moultrie. I guess the point is, that there's a lot of talent in this draft, even down at 15 and beyond.

I'm a huge fan of Iggy and would be thrilled to see him on the Kings. The biggest issue for me is the risk in having the ability to re-sign him.
If we go into next season with the same Coach and mindset of 'easy buckets' combined with owners who want to keep things cheap, then it would seem as if Iggy would be a short-term rental, and I don't trade down for the short-term rental.

Now if we brought in a different coach, or if Smart decided to implement a more traditional half-court focused offense, then I could see Iggy sticking around if we had success with the team during the year.

So I'd also be in favor of trading the #5/#6 pick plus parts for their #15 and Iggy. I would also want to re-sign T. Will, and you could then trot out a monster defensive line-up of Tyreke/T.Will/Iggy because all three are good passers. You would also be better defensively when you rotated one of those guys out for IT, MT, or Jimmer, as long as you don't do a complete shift-change, you should be able to keep enough defense on the floor when bringing in bench players.