You responded to me but that's exactly what I was proposing, minus Greene as a throw in which I think is not warranted here. They can have Hawes and JT if they need sweetener.
If the Kings end up with John Wall..
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Chupacabra
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If you can get Brook Lopez for Wall then you have to do it. If i dont have a way to draft Wall and end up with a star bigman then i would just draft a bigman.
Why would you want two point guards that are 80-90% drive to the basket and 10-20% outside shooting? Everyone cant just constantly drive to the basket lol.
Why would you want two point guards that are 80-90% drive to the basket and 10-20% outside shooting? Everyone cant just constantly drive to the basket lol.
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Chupacabra
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Actually, Im going to correct myself. I believe Cousins will end up being a better player than Brook Lopez. I would just draft Cousins.
hammystyle
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That may be true in a vacuum, but not on a team with a frontcourt like ours and a player like Tyreke. I'd be happy to see how the Reke/Wall backcourt works out but not at the expense of getting potentially the best frontcourt in the league.
And even inside the vacuum I think most teams in the league would take Lopez and Favors over Wall/JT/Greene. Counting age and durability and Lopez is 2nd most valuable center in basketball behind D-Howard. Favors is raw but in a best case scenario he's got the tools to go to the top of the PF ladder as well.
hammystyle
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I don't think Jersey is doing it either way. And if we do have the chance to do it, Greene vs Hawes should not be the deal-breaker.
Tetsujin
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Then why would you trade for Harris?
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ParniValjak
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It depends who the bigman is!
Sarunas
G-League
I'm with beb0p here 100%.
First off, I think any Kings fan likes this trade, but there is no way NJ makes that trade. No way they trade away the potential to have a nice young starting 5 (Harris, Lee, Favors/Cousins, Lopez, and I assume theyll sign a swingman, maybe Rudy Gay). Why would they trade the ability to have one of the best front courts in basketball for John Wall and a bunch of role players. Sorry guys, but JT+Hawes, or whoever else, are role players. I dont think this helps them nearly as much as finding a dominant pairing with Lopez.
On the other hand, like beb0p said, you do not pass on John Wall. I think his potential/talent level is like nothing we've seen in a point guard since maybe Penny or Kidd, and his athleticism trounces both of theirs. How do we know he and Reke wont be able to co-exist? If they don't, we have 2 superstar players on our hands, its not a bad problem to have. You trade whichever one you dont see with the team, for a huge return (a big guy if we still covet one by then). I personally think they would co-exist because Wall is much more of a pure playmaker than he is given credit for. Also, defensively, there would be no better backcourt in the NBA. I think we often forget, PG is a need along with front court players.
If we got the #1 and traded or passed on Wall, I would be pretty disappointed.
Yes I meant Cousins. Good god. I had the worst headache this afternoon.??
Cousins??
Did you vote for Curry? Shameful....
Kings Faithful
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Personally... I would keep Wall and see how he pans out with Evans after an entire season together. People have valid concerns that two ball dominant guards can't compliment each other... but I'm not sure their has ever been an instance in NBA history where these guards were aquired at the ages Evans and Wall are at. Basically my point is whether or not Evans and Wall compiment each other right now might not matter because they are so young they can learn to compliment each other. Thats my hope at least. The potential to be one of the greatest guard duo's in NBA history is too much for me to not give it a shot.
Let's just take it as a given that Wall is going to be a superstar and as good or better than Evans.
The question in my mind is still if a Lopez + 3/4 pick deal were available that would give us a shot at the best front court in the league, plus Evans, all young, healthy and with a bright future, is that core better than Wall + Evans and fighting for bigs in the free agent market. Based on the last 7 years of disappointment, I lean towards yes.
The question in my mind is still if a Lopez + 3/4 pick deal were available that would give us a shot at the best front court in the league, plus Evans, all young, healthy and with a bright future, is that core better than Wall + Evans and fighting for bigs in the free agent market. Based on the last 7 years of disappointment, I lean towards yes.
Sarunas
G-League
Exactly how I feel. I just think the assumption people make of Wall and Evans not being able to co-exist is as big of an assumption as assuming Cousins or Favors will be a dominant big in the NBA. Everything is unknown right now. We were a 25 win team for a reason, so you take the BEST player you can get. There is no question John Wall is the best player, and like others have said could be the best PG of our generation. Everything is a need on our team except SG (since I believe once Reke gets a J, he will be a 2). I personally think Wall showed MUCH more leadership, playmaking ability, and savvy than Rose or Evans did in college. I think he is much more of a PG than Rose or Evans, which is why I think he can be fine with Reke. My question to teams playing the Kings, which guy do you double and which guy do you leave 1v1? Sucks for opposing D's.
91sickness
Bench
Easy...you double team Beno when he looks like is about to go for his pull up jumper that he makes about 80% of the time and you double Sean May when he is camping out waiting for an elbow jumper.
Sarunas
G-League
and considering May shoots about 85% from his "sweet spot" (high key/elbow), I think the Beno/May pick n pop has to be implemented into our scheme for next year. No matter what happens, someone is draining a mid range jumper in the possession. Defenses will have no answer.
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FakeInjury
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Who is offering this? I would seriously consider this if i was the GM of the Kings....MAN, this offer would literally put GP in a 24hr "screwed if i do"
"screwed if i don't" state of mind. Hard to give up Wall, but that trade might put the kings into the playoffs NEXT YEAR. Wall COULD put us in the Playoffs, but lets get real, he won't. But Lopez AND Favors!!!! I love Wall, but that is like 2 top 3 picks from recent drafts for a #1. If that offer was on the table on draft day, i would have to think about what might be on the table at mid season.
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
That is where you and others get ahead of themselves. Wall isn't the clear number 1, and he might not be the best player right now. I would guess a lot of gm's feel Turner right now is the better of the two, with Wall having a bigger upside.
hammystyle
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Its just a hypothetical, there's zero chance the Nets would accept that trade. But yeah, I'm surprised there's any opposition at all. If Lopez improves 5-10% next year he's a 20p/9r/2b 7' 23 year old center. He's played 82 games for two straight years BTW. Favors realistic downside is Al Horford and his realistic upside is McDyess in his prime..aka somewhere between a 15/10/1 PF and a 20/10/2 PF. Taking injuries out of play, for this trade to look poorly Wall would have to be the best 6'3' and under player in history.
I spend a lot of time arguing over purely hypothetical things on this board
Kingster
Hall of Famer
They will never trade an excellent big man for an unknown small. Never ever ever.
To be honest, that is my thinking on why the trade would be a no brainer for us, especially when you consider it is likely two excellent big men. I don't think its something one of the better run teams in the league would do but this is NJ we're talking about here, about to move into a fancy new NY arena where they will probably see a nice bump in ticket prices. Trading for the #1 overall pick would be a good move from a ticket selling perspective, I think Wall is sexier than Lopez. NY likes sexy.
Kingster
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Agreed. One of the thing that makes a great player great is that that player has the ability to play with all types of players. The great player isn't so narrow in scope that he must have just the right fit. It's the not so great players that require just the right fit because their weaknesses are extreme and must be made up for. Using an extreme example, who couldn't Jordan, Robertson, or James play with? And conversely, what players couldn't play with Jordan, Robertson, or James? If they couldn't play with those guys, then they couldn't play with anybody.
Jordan was notorious for not getting along with certain players and having them run off the team, some of whom were actually decent.
nm Oakley, it was actually Cartwright he hated, because Oakley was his bro.
nm Oakley, it was actually Cartwright he hated, because Oakley was his bro.
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bajaden
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There's a huge difference between saying someone has a chance to be a superstar and perhaps even better than Evans, and saying its a given. It's not a given. Its a theory, a hypothetical, but not a given. I'm really curious why people would automaticly prefer Wall over Turner. Right now Turner is the better player. He'll help the team sooner than Wall will, and there are no guarantees that Wall will ever be better than Turner, much less Evans. Other than the fact that Wall can jump high and is super quick, what else is there that makes him the pick ahead of Turner. Especially when you consider that Turners game blends better with Evans game.
I'm not oppossed to picking Wall. He's a gifted athlete, and I feel confident that he'll be a very good player. But I feel exactly the same way about Turner, who I think will be a very good player sooner.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
So if Wall and Evans can't play together, then whose fault is it. Wall's or Evans? If your the star of the team and another player comes to the team and doesn't fit, is that the stars fault? There are ill fits on basketball teams. And yeah, you can make the best of it. But if you have the opportunity to aquire someone that fits better, then why not do it. Was it Tyreke's fault the it didn't work with Martin? Or was it Martin's fault. Or, was it no ones fault. Just one of those unfortunate situations that happens. Martin didn't fit here. But he fits perfectly in Houston. So it appears he can play somewhere else.
I was saying "take it as a given" not because I believe it is a given but for the purposes of evaluating the potential trade.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Ha ha, your walking a pretty fine line there. But I'll accept it.. I won't take it as a given though..
Sarunas
G-League
There are also no guarantees that Turner will be the better player than Wall, or that Wall won't be better than Evans. Its all assumptions and guessing at this point. I also think Wall's game blends better with Evans' given that he is more of an actual PG, and his leadership/playmaking ability is highly underrated. He is not a Derrick Rose scoring PG like many assume. Once again, that is the assumption, so we will see once he is in the pros. Reke and Turner are not PG's, so while I think it would still be a nice pair, I don't think it possesses the same upside that a Wall/Evans backcourt would.
I agree, right now out of the gate, Turner is probably the better player, but I feel like it wont be long until Wall passes him. And were building this team for the next 6-10 years, which is bigger than the next 2-3 years.
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