kingsfan916
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Josh Howard all the way just keep him away from Brad
howard or odom?
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tyrant
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kelso- but everyone does it
hyde- quiet duma**
eric-guys, guys, its perfectly organic
kelso-what's organic
bajaden
Hall of Famer
The only one that would, is Howard. Both Odom and Marions contract have one year left. For that reason, I don't want Howard, or, at least he's not my first choice.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Here's the problem I have Gary. Odom will be 29 years old in Dec. Howard is 27 years old, and Marion just turned 30 in may. So they're age differences aren't that far apart. Contract wise, Odom and Marion have just next year on the books and then they're gone. Howard, who makes 10 mil a year, has two more year's guarnanteed and with a team option for a third.
I'm just not sure I would want to tie us up for two more years for a player that I personaly think is slightly overpaid. It would also put us in a position where we would be staring at the 2010 offseason with a team option to deal with. We would have to either pony up and pick up the option or if not, relinquish his rights.
I would prefer that the Kings not even be faced with that possibility. It appears that J. Thompson is quick enough to spot fill in at the SF position once in a while. With Salmons and Cisco on board, I just don't feel a great need at that position. Unless its someone named James of course.
tyrant
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salmons and garcia will not get it done. salmons is due for over 5 mill and garcia over 2 mill. they combine for a little over 8 mill a year. howard makes 10. salmons is the same age (if not older) than howard and he isnt even CLOSE to an allstar. same goes for garcia. he's 26. 1 year difference (big deal). bajaden, so your argument is that you dont want to get "tied" up with a player over the next 2 years thats overpaid. well we have salmons locked up for the next 2 years (he's overpaid by the way)with an option for garcia next year. and some of you were actually talking about signing garcia??? what the heck for????
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In what way will Salmons and Garcia not get it done? How would the addition of Howard improve the team? Howard is very inconsistent. Garcia also is, but at a fifth of the price. I won't reopen the Garcia signing debate, because there's already a thread, but whomever is picked by the organization (Marion, Howard, Odom, etc.) will not be a part of the Kings' future based on who is available at this time.
We already have Rip Hamilton #2 (Kevin Martin) signed for 5 years. What position would he play on our team? I like Maxiell, but he's more of an energy bench guy than a reliable starter and I have a hard time seeing him get much better than he is now. I think we lose value in that trade.
Actually, I think it's time to stop making trades and start letting contracts expire. Josh Howard isn't a good fit, Lamar Odom isn't a good fit, Marion could be but he'll want too much money to stay. Let Brad and Kenny and SAR and Mikki and Artest play out their contracts and then sign wherever they want. By then Spencer and Jason move into the starting lineup and we've got the money to go out and acquire a player that we actually want on this team. Stop trying to patch up the jalopy and just save up for a new car. I'm beyond even caring what happens the next two years. Just hoping for Renardo Sidney in 2010 now.
...If the Kings are still in Sacramento by then. If the Maloofs are trying to convince their fan base that they deserve a new arena they're doing a terrible job.
Then why not trade for Odom and let him expire? He'd be removing one year from KT's contract for us.
And yes, he would be a good fit.
Trading for Odom for a year or not is really pretty irrelevant. It matters next year, but that's about it. Since we're not winning anything next year anyway, it doesn't matter. What we need is a long term plan that makes sense.
That doesn't make any sense.
Your point was to drop salary asap and trading for Odom removes $8 mil or so from next year's payroll by getting rid of KT (and actually also decreases the amount we pay this year a little - but that is pretty marginal). Of course dropping $8 mil matters.
That's the thing, if the Lakers included one of Farmar or a 2009 1st round pick, I can see the Kings going for it then, at that point it makes sense for the Kings. As is, it's pretty lateral, even a downgrade from standing pat.
My point is that it matters for next year's roster, and it affects the salary cap the year after that, but dumping Kenny Thomas one year early and swapping a year of Artest for a year of Odom doesn't really impact the longterm future of this team in any significant way. And maybe it's time to stop worrying about players that other teams are attempting to cast off and instead worry about acquiring players who will be around long enough to matter.
OK, but how does hanging on to a worthless contract for an extra year help us?
I don't get why you'd want to "stand pat" if it costs us another $8 mil next year that we don't have to spend.
Artest and KT aren't going to be around after this/next year. So why hang on to them if it costs us big $$$ next year to do so? And maybe that $8 mil will help us to sign someone next year who will help us. Having it wrapped up in KT certainly isn't helpful, now is it?
Because that 8 'extra' million is in limbo land...we're still below the lux tax, but above the salary cap whether Kenny is on or off our payroll. So moving him, alone is pretty pointless other than for the Maloofs wallet.
Exactly. If I'm the owner I care. If I'm the GM, it doesn't really matter. It doesn't help this team get better.
nbrans
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Uh, except this is wrong. Depending on what happens with SAR and his retirement and a Garcia extension, the Kings very well could be under the cap next offseason minus KT's salary.
LPKingsFan
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Yep. Miller and Salmons could/should also be dealt for expirings/picks/prospects, then you're well on your way.
Well then it's just a matter of which crop of free agents look better to you, 2009 or 2010. I wouldn't want to spend my cap space a year before that 2010 crop anyway. Either way the decision on where to move Artest for a year and which expiring contract to take back is small peanuts compared to the real issue which is finding a permanent replacement. I don't think Odom, Howard, or Marion is a permanent replacement so whether their contract gets shuttled through Sacramento for a year or two doesn't really matter to me.
nbrans
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It's not an either-or choice. The Kings could either sign a good free agent next year or take on a salary for a year in exchange for a draft pick or take on a player like the Clippers just did. Cap space is extremely valuable even if you don't spend it on a free agent.
Yeah, but it isn't your money.
This isn't Monopoly money, you know. We pay it with ticket prices. A few million under the cap would allow tickets to not be raised or a player to be signed at the league minimum without going over the cap.
Dollars are vital for flexibility. Pretending they aren't is foolish.
Vlade4GM
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Lakers can't offer their 09 pick.
There's those words again. Flexibility. Ticket prices. We've been hearing that for years. I've had enough of Petrie and the Maloofs talking about "flexibility" and "versatility" and "solid young cores" of guys who aren't getting minutes. It's all lip service. Just show me a team getting better on the court. Stop signing journeyman players to 5 year deals on a lottery bound team or trading our expiring contracts for whoever the market has made available and start doing something proactive. And don't tell me you actually think 8 million dollars off the cap is going to affect ticket prices at all.
Circa_1985_Fan
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Yeah...I'll take Howard please. 
LPKingsFan
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Who knows? Boozer could opt out next year, and guys like Josh Smith, Deng or Okafor could take the one year qualifiying offer in order to be unrestricted next year. And, really, we're not going to sign LeBron.
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