How far away is Spencer?

[Entity]

After seeing Spencer these last few weeks. He is getting very comfortable.
He has the post skills, he has the perimeter shooting skills, rebounding needs a little more work as well as defense. What has suprised me is his passing skills. He isn't far behind Brad Miller in that department and is way ahead of Brad in the post. Kinda of like a combo of Vlade and Brad on offense. He is only 19.

He never had a preseason. I am thinking 1 more summer league and a preseason and by the middle of next season he may very well EARN the starting spot over Brad if Brad is still around. These last few weeks may have actually made Brad more tradeable than ever. Mikkie Moore is a veteran that can play PF/C and has skills and hustle that every team needs. If we can somehow between Brad Miller and Ron Artest get a legit PF for next season and bring Mikki off the bench for the PF/C position with some spot minutes for Williams we could be 1 season away from being in the hunt again.

See Trade proposal in personnel forum.

 

[piksi]

not as far as he would have been, have we not tried to develop Mikki Moore

 

[VF21]

not as far as he would have been, have we not tried to develop Mikki Moore

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As you both will notice, I've deleted your sniping and exchanges. It's uncalled for.

piksi - Instead of going for the cheap quick shot, why not just respond to the initial post? I think it's a legitimate question...

Entity - Instead of always taking the bait, why not just ignore his comments if they aren't germane to the topic at hand?

This could be an interesting discussion of the development of our center of the future. I don't see why it has to immediately dissolve into the same old, same old.

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Now, back to the topic at hand please?

 

[Entity]

The year of Vlade and Brad. Teams still played half court most of the time. There were no Howards, Stoudamires, Bosh etc.. and Lamar Odom and Shawn Marion were still SF's.

 

[gunks]

Spencer with a breakout season in 08-09.

I remember in the summer league before he got hurt he was doing better then both Durant and Oden. People were talking like he was the sleeper.

Rebounding will probably always be an issue, defense will be better then Miller's (Not that that's saying much)...But I think the Kings are going to have an offensive weapon at the 5 in a few seasons.

 

[VF21]

He's already got good court vision and I've seen a couple of passes that were truly reminiscent of the days when the Kings were noted for the skills of their passing big men. I think Hawes is the real deal and, considering his work ethic, I think he's going to be out to earn the starting slot as early as next season...

 

[Entity]

They mentioned he is going to try and bulk up this summer and work on a sky hook.

 

[gunks]

Bulkin up huh? I keep forgetting he's 19 haha. Dude can definately add to his frame.

And I keep on hearing about how he's got a mean streak to his game. About time the Kings get some nastyness in the frontcourt.

Here's to getting a good bigman coach this summer!

 

[piksi]

The year of Vlade and Brad. Teams still played half court most of the time. There were no Howards, Stoudamires, Bosh etc.. and Lamar Odom and Shawn Marion were still SF's.

which Mikki Moore can guard easily because he is athletic - right

 

[Entity]

better than a 19 year old rookie coming off of KNEE SURGERY not having gone through training camp.

 

[piksi]

better than a 19 year old rookie coming off of KNEE SURGERY not having gone through training camp.

better for what ? Please be specific because I don't understand what he is better for ? What is a goal of all this ?

 

[Entity]

Teams have made bad decisions in the past. Hundreds. Dallas not re-signing Nash. Detroit passing on Wade, Bosh, Amare, Carmello and going with Darko. Look at the lakers Bynum got 7 min a game his rookie season and they were rebuilding and didn't make the playoffs that year. Now he is a hot commodity in the NBA in his 3rd year. We are not unique in this scenerio. Why harp on it. It can't be changed. Instead focus on what we could do from here on out.

I wonder how often the Sam Bowie pick has been revisited.

 

[Entity]

better for what ? Please be specific because I don't understand what he is better for ? What is a goal of all this ?

he was phisically unabl for the first 20 games or so then if you throw him out there he is miles behind in season progression for a vet much less a rookie. NO team would put him out there for 25 min a game. Look at Bynums rookie year.

 

[Bricklayer]

Close enough that he should be the starter next year. All these minutes Spencer is getting are a direct result of Brad being hurt as the season winds down. There is no better way to accelerate his development than to keep those minutes coming. Spenser should be getting at least 25min/gm next season, and the only way to guarantee that is to move these 30-something vets out of his way. Will cost us a few victories while he learns. Will pay off in accelerated development in the future.

 

[fnordius]

I think he could take over the starting spot from Brad whenever we feel ready to do that, but I don't see him as an upgrade from Brad at this point, so I doubt that it would help us significantly (if at all) in the short term. It might if we robbed someone blind in the trade, but that's true of any player, any time.

The great arguments in favor of trading Brad are, from my perspective, exactly the same as for trading anyone and everyone over 25 or 26. Huge benefits a ways down the road, but nothing next year except for a more energetic lottery team.

 

[Entity]

Close enough that he should be the starter next year. All these minutes Spencer is getting are a direct result of Brad being hurt as the season winds down. There is no better way to accelerate his development than to keep those minutes coming. Spenser should be getting at least 25min/gm next season.

Do you beleive it is far enough that we actively shop Brad this summer. Or Should Hawes have a trio year of Brad, Mikki, and himself?

 

[gunks]

I wonder if Brad can be instramental in us moving up a few positions in the draft and/or getting another R1 pick.

There's going to be a lot of teams in the west thinking they're a piece away after getting bumped out this post season. Not to mention a few in the east.

 

[Entity]

I wonder if Brad can be instramental in us moving up a few positions in the draft and/or getting another R1 pick.

There's going to be a lot of teams in the west thinking they're a piece away after getting bumped out this post season. Not to mention a few in the east.

It doesn't Hurt after Brad having a great year like he did. the price tag is high though. $10 mil. I could see him in Utah.

 

[91sickness]

It doesn't Hurt after Brad having a great year like he did. the price tag is high though. $10 mil. I could see him in Utah.

I could definitely see brad in Utah as well. Brad at the 5 n Boozer at the 4 would be a pretty sweet combo. Brad would do a lot more for that team than there 25ish pick in the draft. Throw a couple enders in there to make the deal work. However I would like to see Brad stick around 1 more season or so to continue to teach Spencer the ropes.

 

[bajaden]

I could definitely see brad in Utah as well. Brad at the 5 n Boozer at the 4 would be a pretty sweet combo. Brad would do a lot more for that team than there 25ish pick in the draft. Throw a couple enders in there to make the deal work. However I would like to see Brad stick around 1 more season or so to continue to teach Spencer the ropes.

Better hunting there too. They actually have deer there. Sorry, I was a bitter california hunter, but thats for another forum..

 

[6th]

First I want to say that I love Brad Miller. This year he showed us that there is a lot of good basketball left in the tank. Having said that, we could probably get more for Brad in the off-season than we could have in the past couple of years.

With Spencer coming on strong and showing us he is definitely our C of the future, it now is time to decide if getting the most for Brad is the right move. If he is traded, I want a draft pick included.

 

[Heuge]

If Petrie does his job, Brad will not be here next year. Im not holding my breath though.

 

[piksi]

With Spencer coming on strong and showing us he is definitely our C of the future, it now is time to decide if getting the most for Brad is the right move. If he is traded, I want a draft pick included.

makes this years pick certainly interesting in terms of what position we will draft for and my pick is a tweener off guard / SF. I just hope that we don't trade him for flexible pieces because unless it is top 5 pick - it isn't worth if we get another KT with it.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Utah wanted Brad, but when we pulled off the trade with Indy instead, they signed Okur. They still have Okur, however, and seem to be happy with him. I'm not sure how they could use Brad.

Indy, however, I could see wanting Brad back if they opt not to go for the full rebuild (they also have Foster's expiring, and Diogu and a nice pick). Chicago, possibly, if they envision Noah as more of a 4 than a 5 (they have Hughes's deal, which is awful but shorter than Brad, as well as some TThomas and a pick). Orlando, but they don't really have the pieces. Other than that.... not sure. Toronto (Rasho's expiring and a pick?) Altanta (if they want chemistry with Bibby, move Horford to PF, have trouble resigning Smith). But really, not a ton of options out there.

 

[fnordius]

makes this years pick certainly interesting in terms of what position we will draft for and my pick is a tweener off guard / SF.

Any particular reason for that thought, other than the fact that Hawes and JWill were our only first rounders in the last 13 years who were not SFs or SGs?

 

[BawLa]

I think Spencer is years ahead of his body. To the point where you still have to play him IMO. As a starting Center, Spencer has looked better than I expected. Even with the small sample size (6 G, 34 min/G), the kid is still averaging 12/8/2/1. Now it is obvious he still needs more strength. His offseason workouts should reflect that goal. He also needs to work on his rebounding, defense and free throws. But even with all of that, he is just a hair behind Miller, who is seeing a resurgance this year: 13/9/3/1 also in 34 min/G. I say let the kid grow. Miller has a bit of value to him, enough to land us a late first rounder at least IMO.

 

[piksi]

Any particular reason for that thought, other than the fact that Hawes and JWill were our only first rounders in the last 13 years who were not SFs or SGs?

well that and the fact that GP seams to be very comfortable picking sucj players. God forbid we get a PF type of a player. That would be hooooorible !

 

[Big Cuz 15]

great thread. i've underestimated this spencer kid. hes not a bad pick.

I could definitely see brad in Utah as well. Brad at the 5 n Boozer at the 4 would be a pretty sweet combo. Brad would do a lot more for that team than there 25ish pick in the draft. Throw a couple enders in there to make the deal work. However I would like to see Brad stick around 1 more season or so to continue to teach Spencer the ropes.

they already have the turkish brad.. i like brad but he needs to go for the future of the franchise givin we don't net anymore crappy contracts like KT. i was all for the webber trade but a few years after.. realized it was a bad one. move him for the right pieces.

 

[Entity]

I underestimated him as well. I figured he would be were he is now maybe midseason next year. I never envisioned his post game to have this effect this early. Also the passing is a big suprise to me. If it were chest passes or simple pounce passes i wouldn't even mention it. but if you have seen the past few games his passes are crisp and precise seemingly no drop off from Brad and I am sure it as well as other aspects of his game will only get better with time. I love the way he comes off screens for the jumper as well reminds me of Dirk. He may never be a 3pt threat the caliber of Dirk but, his ability to knock down 17 footers on the catch and shoot reminds of Dirk in that aspect. In fact he has traits of Vlade, Brad and Dirk.

He needs rebounding work as well as defense and ball handling needs inprovment.

 

[One and Done]

I'm liking what Spencer has displayed in this last trimester...and yes, he's only 19.

I'm not going to go as far that he has a "breakout" year next season, but I do look forward to him becoming a valuable asset off the bench.

If things progress, expect Spencer to refine those post skills we drafted him for - and put them on full display. Also expect a little more passing - like we've seen in the last few games. If things continue as is...expect Spence to be a solid backup to Brad, averaging 8 pts, 4 rebs, 1.5 apg next season.

On a final note, I think rebounding, shot-blocking, and athleticism will ALWAYS be a knock on Spencer...but he will get better in due time.