Heat have guard needs: Bibby?

CruzDude

CruzDude

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The Heat have two gimpy guards, JWill and old man Payton and need help there. If Bibby can help them who do they have of somewhat equal value who can help Kings right away? Other than Haslem (their leading rebounder), not much and he likely makes way less than half of what Bibby makes anyway. But it is an intriguing thought.
 
CruzDude said:
The Heat have two gimpy guards, JWill and old man Payton and need help there. If Bibby can help them who do they have of somewhat equal value who can help Kings right away? Other than Haslem (their leading rebounder), not much and he likely makes way less than half of what Bibby makes anyway. But it is an intriguing thought.
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The answer is no one. Traditionally you don't trade bigger guys for smaller guys. No matter what the contract is, bigger guys come at a premium.
 
The Heat's grand toital of trading assets really is Posey (ender) Wright 9kid) Simien (kid) and their #1. Doesn't matter who they are trying to get, that is all they ahve to offer that they can spare. Hard to see that make sense for a PG. Can make it make sense for Artest kinda because Posey and Wright play the same position and the contracts match.

The contenders who could really use Mike are Cleveland and Houston. Its just tough to put together attractive packages from either (especially Houston). Varejao and a #1 is a very good start in Cleveland, but how to make the salaries match in a way both teams could live?
 
I would hold onto Bibby. I think that once Artest is traded Bibby's numbers will go up and he will become a lock to opt out. That will give us some cap space. It would be nice to move him for enders/picks in order to retain that cap space while acquiring more options in the draft.

I'm not all that worried about replacing Bibby next year if we can get a first for him. There seem to be alot of PGs who slide in the draft, and you can find good ones later down. Moreover, considering the new rules, a distributor is much more valuable than the scoring PG that has been the rage until recently.
 
Bricklayer said:
The Heat's grand total of trading assets really is Posey (ender) Wright 9kid) Simien (kid) and their #1... Can make it make sense for Artest kinda because Posey and Wright play the same position and the contracts match.
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I would take Posey, Earl Barron & their #1 for Artest. If they value Barron too much, I would even do it without the #1.

With Posey we would get a good defender and good rebounder for a small forward who's become an effective 3-point shooter over the past couple of years. I believe he's a free agent after this year, so - worst case scenario - he leaves and we free up some more cap space.

But Barron is the one I want. He's raw and needs time to develop into a legit center, but he's worth a serious look. He may have SO much potential that Riley won't even let him go. But for a player like Artest & a chance to repeat, I think he'd go for it.
 
tyrant said:
HECK NO. why trade? so WE can struggle at the 1 position?
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i'll give you a few reasons to ship him out.

1) he plans to opt out

2) he wants big $$$

3) hes going to be old by the time some of our other players develop

4) we're not going anywhere
 
if the Kings are going to move Bibby, I'd hope that they could at least try to package him for a PF/C with some athleticism that is willing to play defense and rebound. Varejao may be a place to start (but I don't think that the Cavs need to acquire another "slow-footed" PG considering that Eric Snow and Damon Jones are already on the roster).
 
KMart23 said:
i'll give you a few reasons to ship him out.

1) he plans to opt out

2) he wants big $$$

3) hes going to be old by the time some of our other players develop

4) we're not going anywhere
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Ok well the problem is HE DOESN't WANT TO OPT OUT lol... No team will ever win with bibby as the main pg... he can't guard anyone... there is no reason we should be talking Ron trades... Mike is the reason ron isn't happy and Ron's defense is what wins rings. We need to dump bibby... even if we ship Artest, i understand... he isn't the type of guy to keep around while rebuilding... but the problem here is 2 more years of bibby... lets avoid that
 
Bricklayer said:
Uh...? You are aware that THIS team came within one (1) free throw of winning the whole enchilada with Mike as the main PG right? And actually not only WITH Mike as a PG, but BECAUSE of Mike as a PG?
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But Bibby's supporting cast then was an entire level better than his supporting cast now (Vlade, Peja, CWebb, Bobby, etc). No comparison. He carried the team on his shoulders but the supporting cast then, as now, could not get over the hump. The Kings are not contenders this year. There are contenders who would move up a notch with Bibby and can afford to unload defending rebounders.

No, I think we should seriously consider moving Bibby now. Salmons has shown the ability to be a better PG, more on the lines of a Jason Kidd. I'm still waiting on my boy Price to step up and make more assists and secure his role as #1 backup.

Bibby and filler for some rebounding and shot blocking and a if we're lucky a #1 pick, that would be my goal.
 
CruzDude said:
But Bibby's supporting cast then was an entire level better than his supporting cast now (Vlade, Peja, CWebb, Bobby, etc).
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Bibby's supporting cast? In 2002, Bibby WAS the "supporting cast." The fact that he's being asked to be the star now is as much a part of our problems as everything else.
 
^^^ agree....

Bibby is fine in a supporting role, and that's it. I don't mind keeping him as long as we keep K-Mart at the 2. We need to move Artest, K9, and Miller.... Those are the pieces that will be pretty tough to move.
 
SacKings4Life21 said:
...there is no reason we should be talking Ron trades... Mike is the reason ron isn't happy and Ron's defense is what wins rings. We need to dump bibby...
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Ron's defense is what wins rings? You might want to talk to some folk from Indiana about that.

:rolleyes:


Saying Mike is the reason Ron isn't happy is just plain silly. Ron Artest wants to win - the team isn't winning much. Ron Artest wants to be the first option on offense - ain't happening. There are a myriad of reasons for Artest to be unhappy; and I'm sure some of them are thinks we mere mortals would NEVER come up with.

I don't know how much of the whole Artest saga is media generated; I don't know how many of the rumors floating around about him are true - and I don't care. Artest is Artest. He's always gonna have more baggage than the main warehouse of Samsonite. To try and point the finger at Mike Bibby as the source of the problems is just without any real basis in fact.
 
Onto Miami

Now that the Artest for Maggette deal is dead, we're onto Miami...

With serious rebuilding our objective, I would take James Posey, Earl Barron & their #1 for Artest.

Posey would give us a good defender and rebounder who can play SF (not to mention some SG). He's become a really good 3-point shooter in recent years. Most likely he becomes a FA after this season and leaves, freeing up some more cap space.

Earl Barron, however, is the one we want to give a serious look. He needs time to develop into an NBA center, but he's total potential.

Obviously the idea is that Riley would have the ego and confidence to take the gamble with Artest and to let go of one of his prime prospects.
 
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