Grades v. Timberwolves 12/10

[gixxerR6]

:: disconnects ::

You are not based in this reality.

you have no clue i read all your posts they are not logical keep liking adelman sad you don't know what Basketball coaching is my freind.

you can disconect as much as you want to bad you don't see the truth behind the Teams faliure every year.

 

[Zyphen]

A rookie since when is Mike a rookie coach?

Sorry, meant to say "was". Wasn't referring to Mike but the temp who was the assistant coach (think name was Hollins?)

 

[SacTownKid]

hm how about give me any coach right now in the nba is better than rick adelman im not going to go through that but he is a very bad coach and please don't bring that M. jordan stuff every idiot knows IN 1991 THE BLAZERS hadthe best Team BETTER than the Bulls! they were unstopable during regualr season and lost to UNDER DOGS LAKERS IN Confrence finals! Due POOR COACHING! and Phill jackson is a master mind of a coach you know a good coach when you see the tactics he plays when to call a time out and when to bring sub players in( forget jordan and kobe and o'NEAL). Adelman has nothing of that he doesn't know when to call a right time OUT he has no tricks no surprises every choach knows he is going to play same Tactics EVERY YEAR, I've seen it so many times that adelman calls poor plays ECt. right now we would be better of having any asistant coach then adelman

One percieved negative about a new coach are player changes. If a new coach comes in expect a few different guys brought in to fit his taste. A new coach is usually the first step in rebuilding.

 

[#1sacfan]

The Grizzlies, who virtually all NBA analysts had said are going to have a break-out season, are loaded with talented players. Their season has been horrible so far. Their former coach, Hubie Brown, was having health problems through the start of the season and recently retired. His replacement is a rookie. According to your theory, they should have just got it together on talent alone...

Plenty of coaches in NBA history have come close but failed at getting a championship. Did the existence of Michael Jordan prevent anyone but Phil Jackson from being considered a "good coach" for their 6 years? A lot more have never come close to championships at all. Saying Adelman is among the worst in the league is an exaggeration at best. Name the dozen or so coaches that are so much better than him?

Weak comparison rookie, the Kings talent was 10 x that of Memphis in our hey day and we are still better then them now.

Like I have always said, Adelman is a great chemistry coach however his in game coaching leaves alot to be desired. If his in game coaching was as strong as his chemistry coaching then he would be amazing. Too bad its not.

 

[Zyphen]

Well, it's pretty much a pointless argument after stuff like this has been said: "we would be better of having any asistant coach then adelman".

Apparently, "surprise" coaching trumps all... we should run inconsistent minutes, and random plays for ostertag... We need to change tactics per year... we need to stop running poor plays (translation: any non-pedja play)...

Coaches shouldn't get any credit for good records cause the team would have done it on their own anyway... On the other hand, they should receive all the blame for any and all losses...

Yes, I think I'm pretty much done with this discussion...

 

[#1sacfan]

you have no clue i read all your posts they are not logical keep liking adelman sad you don't know what Basketball coaching is my freind.

you can disconect as much as you want to bad you don't see the truth behind the Teams faliure every year.

Hey, I kind of like this guy, he does not give a crap about the popular sentiment and is not a kiss-*** follower.

Props gixxer

 

[BigWaxer]

Stojakovic *1st 3 quarters <B> *4th <D+>
Quiet forth, was not getting the ball and then he became stagnant because of that. Needs to become more agressive and start screaming if no one gets it too him. When he did get the ball he didn't even bother to create space, instead he just faded away to shoot.

Typical Peja. Honestly how many times have we seen this in big games... And I am a (quickly fading) Peja fan.

Bibby *1st 3 quarters <A> *4th <C->
Started out pretty well but just was part of that breakdown in the 4th. Came out with a shooting well (late night practices looked like it helped) and he also was setting up his team.

Bibby is one that I really trust on this team. I think he is just in one of those funks that all althletes go through.

Christe *1st 3 quarters <C-> *4th <C->
Was invisible on both sides of the court except for that hustle play with Barnes.

Agreed, did he make any plays tonight?

Miller *1st 3 quarters <INC> foul trouble *4th <C> Rebounded and went hard to the basket to score. Missed a lot of FTs. Also it looks like he is doing a better job at sheilding the ball when he goes into the lane.

As much as I am a Bmiller fan (he is from my homeland) he looked like crap in the final minutes of the game. Especially on the "D" end

Bobby *1st 3 quarters <A> *4th <D> Like Webber he was having a good game until the forth then he starting making mistakes like turning over the ball... (maybe I'm too frustrated to remember correctly). Had a few dagger 3's during the 3rd when we had the lead but that meant notthing in the end.

I agree with all that. BJ puts his heart on the floor every time he enters.

Ostertag (INC) Played just enough to get dunked on. Did play some decent D on KG (on one possesion) by staying in front of him

Now let all the people that say Tag is gonna help our team come out of the word works. But boy he sure looked good against the Cats and the short handed Pacers.

Barnes (C) His hustle was nice to see in the third.

I am still impressed by Barnes. He needs to play more he really puts it all out on the court like BJ

Songalia (C+) Had some nice plays and played some pretty good D on KG but for some reason he continues to be the refs whipping boy.

I dont agree at all. Songalia showed us a lot of things tonight, He is a fairly new player so he will not get the calls that Cwebb does. He played a good game and gave a 110%.

 

[sloter]

He is also not particularly knowledgeable about basketball.

Why do you say that ? He is emotional, for sure, but there are a lot of people with plenty of basketball knowledge who do not think that Adelman's system works, or his implementation of the system with the Sacramento Kings. He is(probably) not the worst coach in the NBA, but from my point of view he is a relatively unsuccessful coach; in the sense that the results of his teams have been generally regarded as underachievements.

 

[Evenstar]

I will say this now -- I fear the Wolves more than any other team in the league at this point. If we met them in the playoffs and you forced me to bet my life savings, well sorry guys, my money's on the Wolves. Not that they are necessarily the best team in the league. But they are our worst matchup. They are us. But us with a ferocious legaue MVP and athleticism. We need a new plan against them in the worst way. Must find a way to contain Garnett (good luck). Must find a way to make Peja more valuable than Fred Hoiberg. Until we do...

and eddie griffen for that matter. gee is this guy on the all star ballot or something.... gawd....

i agree with you. the woofs have our number. whats intresting is that the kings CAN play with them. many of the games the kings have lost against them in the past year have been games where the kings have been in control most of the game, and they always find a way to blow it. rarely are they blown out from beginning to end. THAT is what is so frustrating to me with that team. it's not that they get the win, it's the fact that so many times the kings give it to them at the end. even with all our flaws, we've found ways to beat them for 3 quarters, only to melt down in the 4th. it's SO ANNOYING!!!!!

is it wussy of me to root for the spurs and woofs to meet up in the semi's, and the kings meeting, oh who cares, lets say the ... uh nuggets in the other semis ( just for arguments sake ) and the kings to meet the spurs in the WFC's??

 

[sloter]

is it wussy of me to root for the spurs and woofs to meet up in the semi's, and the kings meeting, oh who cares, lets say the ... uh nuggets in the other semis ( just for arguments sake ) and the kings to meet the spurs in the WFC's??

That's not only not wussy, but that is the only way the Kings could make it to the conference finals.

 

[GoGoGadget]

He was 11-22 and looking like he might carry us to victory, then the Wolves charged, we panicked, and Webb started throwing up stupid shots in some sort of desperate attempt to stem the tide.

I love Chris...

and, by the end of the game, things had already become too torn to mend...

but, you'd think he'd have figured out what happens when he throws threes in Minnesota and know better than to attempt them...

twice...

in a row.

 

[SacTownKid]

Hey... this is a family site here...

Sorry I thought it was appropriate for the occassion.

 

[Evenstar]

If only this were as charming as it was confusing.

they probably meant inserts foot into mouth

 

[SacTownKid]

they probably meant inserts foot into mouth

Thats what I meant. I knew the saying was something along those lines.

 

[GoGoGadget]

Sorry I thought it was appropriate for the occassion.

Yeah. Makes sense.

'Cause, ya know, when I think of appropriate? I think of fisting references.

Especially in sports forums.

Would it be crude of me to suggest that, perhaps, the two things don't exactly go hand in hand?

 

[sloter]

it must be a simple misunderstanding.

Even if it was, it would still be nice of you to remove that post ... not sure it really accomplishes anything and it is a little ... graphic.

 

[SacTownKid]

Even if it was, it would still be nice of you to remove that post ... not sure it really accomplishes anything and it is a little ... graphic.

Gone.
At least we forgot our Kings are helpless for a little while...right!?

(sarcasm in the helpless part)

 

[GoGoGadget]

I happen to call my hand gloves that and my hands were getting cold. I don't know what you thought but...

it must be a simple misunderstanding.

You call your gloves fists, or....

never mind.

Not important.

Let it go.

 

[PejaFanatic]

If I didn't watch the game, I woulda very easily blamed most of it on Webb according to the stat sheet but the sheet doesn't tell you about **** like Peja pulled. We need to just promise him a trade in the offseason if he brings his entire game every night for this season.

Webb was the best option on the floor for most of his shots.

If you did watch the game, you would know Peja only shoot the ball 3 times during the second half plus he hardly got any touches. There were many plays down the stretch where Peja was not even involved because no one wanted to pass him the ball.

You act as if Peja had the ball but decided to pass it up like what Kobe did last season...

 

[SacTownKid]

Sound advice.

Now let's all take a quick shower and forget that we actually saw that...

Its gone, but its legacy will last forever!!!

 

[gixxerR6]

Hey, I kind of like this guy, he does not give a crap about the popular sentiment and is not a kiss-*** follower.

Props gixxer

i would like to say that you are a man of your words i followed your posts too you kick *** man

 

[sloter]

Its gone, but its legacy will last forever!!!

well, that AND the other comment you made about Kerr

 

[sloter]

i would like to say that you are a man of your words i followed your posts too you kick *** man

Since you've been dissecting internet personas so well, what's your opinion on me, oh wise man?

 

[gixxerR6]

Since you've been dissecting internet personas so well, what's your opinion on me, oh wise man?

hm sloter your intresting character, most of the time i agree with your posts your streight foward your all right man

 

[sloter]

hm sloter your intresting character, most of the time i agree with your posts your streight foward your all right man

crap, why can't I be 'man of words' and this other dude 'interesting character'?

 

[gixxerR6]

Please they are exactly 6 cats on this site that i never agreed with them in any Thread sincea year let's not name names so they don't get to personal. Let's just say those cats think they are really smart.

 

[gixxerR6]

crap, why can't I be 'man of words' and this other dude 'interesting character'?

Well as i sad i mostly agree with you becuase i can't quite tell on what side you are on like with #1 Sacfan i always had same thoughts as him on most subjects most of em are on Peja Webber stuff

 

[4cwebb]

Quick note: we scored 105pts in this game. The offense was NOT the problem, whatever the odd balance. Only 1 team in the league averages more than 105 -- that's Phoenix at 107.


We allowed 37pts int he 4th quarter. 113 for the game on 51% shooting. Got creamed on the boards etc. If you can't win consistentyl scoring 105pts and shooting a good % (47), then you've got problems.

Let's not overlook the fact that the Twolves shot under 30% for the first quarter as well, putting their last three quarters probably in the realm of the high 50s, if not above 60%.

 

[slugking50]

Once again the Tpups killed us on the glass..... Our players refuse to blockout and rebound... or just cant do it.....

The Tpups have proven over the last 2 years they are the better team.... No doubt about that....


: sighs:



We need ALOT of improvement.....

 

[Zyphen]

If you did watch the game, you would know Peja only shoot the ball 3 times during the second half plus he hardly got any touches. There were many plays down the stretch where Peja was not even involved because no one wanted to pass him the ball.

You act as if Peja had the ball but decided to pass it up like what Kobe did last season...

At no point did I say Peja was passing up the ball. He was not making an effort to create space and get open. Also, I don't think you can compare him to Kobe like that... If Peja had the ball for more than 2 or 3 seconds, he wouldn't be able to do anything with it.

Peja has at least half the responsibility for getting plays for him. It's not just the other guys who have to work hard to get him a shot. He has to pick up his run and get to that spot for the pick-and-roll before the defense can respond adequately.

In the postgame quotes, Rick was talking about how the T-wolves were "holding" onto Peja and mugging him (looked like the usual jostling but I guess you gotta be up close to see those things). I hope that's really the case and not because Peja wasn't giving enough effort. Regardless, you can't pass to a shooter who has no shooting room. He's not going to beat his man off the dribble.