General Poker Thread v.1

I decided to start another poker thread since the other one was about the WSOP, and that's ancient history now.

Ok, that's only 1/2-way true. My ulterior motive is actually to ***** about self-destructing in a 2 table sit-and-go at Pokerstars tonight.

First the donkeys get busted out leaving 5 players. We go back and forth trading chip leads for an hour, and I wind up with about 3 good hands in a row. This enables me to bust out 3 ppl, leaving me heads up with a massive chip lead over the last opponent, 20k against her 6.5k.

I start dancing knowing I have this in the bag and try to bully the small stack, and this chick winds up busting me out in 3 hands.

I feel like swimming in ice water. :(
 
AceKingSuited said:
I decided to start another poker thread since the other one was about the WSOP, and that's ancient history now.

Ok, that's only 1/2-way true. My ulterior motive is actually to ***** about self-destructing in a 2 table sit-and-go at Pokerstars tonight.

First the donkeys get busted out leaving 5 players. We go back and forth trading chip leads for an hour, and I wind up with about 3 good hands in a row. This enables me to bust out 3 ppl, leaving me heads up with a massive chip lead over the last opponent, 20k against her 6.5k.

I start dancing knowing I have this in the bag and try to bully the small stack, and this chick winds up busting me out in 3 hands.

I feel like swimming in ice water. :(
What's "sit-and-go"?
 
I'm sure it's an online invention, because most poker rooms don't maintain the staffing levels that would be necessary to constantly run a rotating set of small events. I don't know if they're called sit-and-go's at other online poker rooms, but that's what Poker Stars calls them.

Basically, they're like the small poker tourney version of a basketball "pick-up game". Poker Stars creates a tourney roster, and when enough people pay the entry fee to fill the roster, the tourney begins. They offer Sit and Go's in a variety of games and wide range of entry fees.

They're just like a tourney, but with a smaller field and prize pool.
 
PokerStars Tournament #2879236, No Limit Hold'em
Buy-In: $5.00/$0.50
18 players
Total Prize Pool: $90.00
Tournament started - 2004/10/02 - 16:00:24 (ET)

Dear sm4shNgr4b,

You finished the tournament in 1st place.
A $36.00 award has been credited to your Real Money account.


Congratulations!
Thank you for participating.

I'm really starting to love playing sit and go's... :cool:

3rd time in the last 5 entries I've either won or come in 2nd. I can't tell you how excited I am. Too bad my ring game is nothing better than mediocre. VF21 and 6th rip me up when i sit with them on the 200/400 fixed tbls. Them girls are a couple of hustlers! :p

If anyone wants to play tonite, send me a PM, or a post.
 
Woohoo!!!

Congratulations, good buddy!

I am available tonight. I'll try and be on about 10 p.m. That would be 8:00 for you PT players.

I really need to stick to the fixed tables though. I keep getting wiped out at those dang no-limit tables. So, expect to find me at a 200/400 fixed (preferably high-speed) table.

Anyone else available?
 
Cool, 8pm PST it is. I'm getting sleepy, but I should be able to make it for at least a few spins with you. Hope we can get some others! :)
 
I've been playing some real money .5/1 limit ring games on Party Poker. I haven't been able to make a deposit on Pokerstars yet due to credit card restrictions. The play money wasn't doing it for me; too many people playing like maniacs with no regard for the chips. The low limit games are loose sure, but people will actually fold to raises when they think they're beat. I've been a little up and down on ring games, but currently +$30 after about 600 hands (and that's from dropping to -$20 shortly after I started).

I tried two single table SNG's last night, came in 4th (out of the money) and then 2nd winning $15. That last one was hilarious when it came down to the final two - the eventual winner had over a 10 to 1 chip advantage on me. He caught AA or KK several times plus several other pocket pairs, personally busting most of the players. He was constantly apologizing, saying he'd never had a run of cards like that in his life. I had exactly one pocket pair the entire tournament: TT which became a set and my one big pot. So even though I managed to about triple my chips fairly quickly when he started off cautiously, it was almost a forgone conclusion. Too bad for him with a rush like that he was only playing for a $25 prize and not some high stakes NL games. ;)
 
I installed Poker Stars over the weekend and spent about 4 hours on it. I've stuck to the 5/10 tables to hone my skills and im up to about 30,000 play chips. It seems to be getting a bit easy. Too many kids and idiots play at the free money tables. They go all in pre-flop when under 2000 chips 100% of the time then throw a tantrum when their 3-6 offsuit doesnt flop a straight every time. The worse hands are when no one wants to bet pre flop and 10 people go into the flop, most with rags, and some smuck nails a 2 pair on the river, much to my dismay, holding top pair with a decent kicker. Thinking i have nothing to worry about because no one would stay in with 3-7 offsuit. Look for me in the play money, C_Diddy11. I tried C Diddy, but some one has already taken it. Watch out for the imposter!
 
Just a tip - There are tables that don't go nuts with the pre-flop bets. Check out the stat listings. If the average table pot is too high and the percentage of flops is under about 65-70%, chances are you're not gonna be happy.

What I've done is made a note of players I enjoy sitting at a table with; I watch for them. And I don't hesitate to leave a table if there are a bunch of hotrods...

With 30,000 chips you can hold your own at some of the 100/200 tables. Just look for ones with average table pots of around 2-4K...

I just finished watching the WSOP Tournament of Champions.

ANNIE DUKE ROCKS!!!!!
 
Okay, is there anything in the poker world sweeter than watching Annie Duke win the WSOP Tournament of Champions?

Especially since she beat her brother AND Phil Helmuth to do it. I especially loved the way she outplayed Phil from start to finish, had him talking to himself and got him to the point where he was second-guessing his every play.

His ego is gonna take a massive hit when he watches the tapes of the tournament and realizes how stupid he looked and sounded as she kicked his booty all over the place.

WTG, ANNIE!!
 
@NME: First of all, NME, that's awesome that you're having success at the ring games. I'm having a really hard time consistently beating them. The only thing giving me a +EV is my success at SnG's. Maybe one of these days you can give me some advice. I'm not playing scared, but I think subconsciously my tourney habits are transferring over to my cash game, or something. I dunno.

@C Diddy: Hey, I know what you mean about people at the 5/10 NLHE play tables go nuts with crap cards. They just do that to build a quick bankroll so they can get to the 200/400 tables. I'll do the same thing for you that I did for VF and 6th. If we wind up on the site together, I'll back you with 40k, no prob. That way you can learn away from the idiots and maniacs. Just be smart with it and don't go all in with K4 offsuit, or something. I got a few mil, so I don't mind sharing my play chips with the Kings Fans here. Once you get used to the way the play money tables operate, it's really easy to accumulate a huge amount of chips in a relatively short period of time.

@VF: Yea, Annie Duke is a freakin gamer. She won her 1st WSOP bracelet this year, in case you hadn't caught that episode. I believe it was in PL Omaha H/L, but not positive. Yea, I really thought she did well in the TOC. She really raises the bar for women breaking into the game.
 
VF21 said:
Okay, is there anything in the poker world sweeter than watching Annie Duke win the WSOP Tournament of Champions?

Especially since she beat her brother AND Phil Helmuth to do it. I especially loved the way she outplayed Phil from start to finish, had him talking to himself and got him to the point where he was second-guessing his every play.

His ego is gonna take a massive hit when he watches the tapes of the tournament and realizes how stupid he looked and sounded as she kicked his booty all over the place.

WTG, ANNIE!!

OMG, that was so classic when she just showed Phil the 9! It seemed like that move of hers really caused him to do some second guessing....:D
 
AceKingSuited said:
OMG, that was so classic when she just showed Phil the 9! It seemed like that move of hers really caused him to do some second guessing....:D
And his smug condescending comments about her playing ability after she showed him that card? What a jerk.

I would love to be in the room when he watches the tape and sees her other card was a K.

I was ROFLMAO with his sanctimonious comments. She was truly awesome in how she played him. Her brother should be very proud of her. I know I am - she just made Hold Em a lot more interesting for women.

:D
 
AceKingSuited said:
@C Diddy: Hey, I know what you mean about people at the 5/10 NLHE play tables go nuts with crap cards. They just do that to build a quick bankroll so they can get to the 200/400 tables. I'll do the same thing for you that I did for VF and 6th. If we wind up on the site together, I'll back you with 40k, no prob. That way you can learn away from the idiots and maniacs. Just be smart with it and don't go all in with K4 offsuit, or something. I got a few mil, so I don't mind sharing my play chips with the Kings Fans here. Once you get used to the way the play money tables operate, it's really easy to accumulate a huge amount of chips in a relatively short period of time.
I'd really appreciate it. I am usually on after 8pm PST during the week and various times on the weekend. I think I will start playing at the 100/200 tables to get a feel for the players there. Hopefully, I will find some people who actually care about the play chips and enjoy good poker.

Is there anyway we can start a thread or just add here what everyone's handle is on Pokerstars?

I'm C_Diddy11.
 
So far the people who've been outed on PokerStars (that I know of) are:

C_Diddy: C_Diddy11
AceKingSuited: Sm4shNgr4b
6th: DianaRigg
VF21: NickieKatt
uolj: uolj
G_M: GM4KINGZ
doone: doone
NME: N.M.E.

Other KingsFans who've said they play at PartyPoker or PokerStars include Iggy, Abe Frohman, and Twix. Sadly, I don't get to play nearly as much as I'd like, so I haven't yet played with any KingsFans. If I'm lucky I get to play for a couple hours during the day on Saturdays.
 
C Diddy said:
I'd really appreciate it. I am usually on after 8pm PST during the week and various times on the weekend. I think I will start playing at the 100/200 tables to get a feel for the players there. Hopefully, I will find some people who actually care about the play chips and enjoy good poker.

Is there anyway we can start a thread or just add here what everyone's handle is on Pokerstars?

I'm C_Diddy11.
Use the "Find a player" feature and look for me (NickieKatt). You'll recognize my avatar - it's the one I found for bdouble013. ;)

I like the no limit best while 6th (Diana) prefers the Limit tables. Both have their advantages.
 
AceKingSuited said:
@NME: First of all, NME, that's awesome that you're having success at the ring games. I'm having a really hard time consistently beating them. The only thing giving me a +EV is my success at SnG's. Maybe one of these days you can give me some advice. I'm not playing scared, but I think subconsciously my tourney habits are transferring over to my cash game, or something. I dunno.
I'm really at the beginning of my poker learning. Right now, I'm mostly using the starting hand advice I've read and then going on instinct from there. I know that I'm making a lot of mistakes and missing things that are going on, but I've picked up several books and some software and am starting a serious study plan. I think I'm probably at best playing break-even poker, but I've had enough luck to put me ahead some. I'm honestly just happy that I'm not burning through my deposit while I'm getting in some practice.

Those bigger limit play money tables don't sound bad. I'm just looking for games where the opponents actually have some stake (so to speak ;) ) in the outcome so that actual poker logic will usually apply. I'll try to hook up with you guys there if you're willing to stake me, AKS. :cool:
 
NME - Another tip? Watch the games on TV every chance you get. I've actually learned quite a bit, including the hard lesson of folding a pocket pair when it's pretty clear you're not going to win with two Aces... Tough lesson, but one I understand now.

My heroes are Annie Duke, Howard Lederer, Gus Hanson and Phil Ivey. They usually never let emotions into the equation and they rarely seem to be caught up in the thrill of raising the pot without a really good reason to do so. And, they don't seem to be compelled to play almost every hand (the first thing I had to overcome)...

I really wish we weren't all so separated by geography. I think a face-to-face Kingsfans Hold Em night would be a lot of fun.

Can you guys all come up to the forest?

;)
 
Dunno if you're kidding or not, but I'm not really sure where "the forest" is :)

I'd love to join you guys for a game if it's not too far away...

On a similar note, do any of you guys play up at the Lucky Derby in Citrus Heights? On Saturday mornings, they have a tourney for $40 bucks. It's pretty early (6:30-7:00am for signups) so I doubt any do, but I've been wanting to check it out, but haven't been able to schedule it yet.
 
Forest = Plumas National Forest

What is that, VF...about 3 1/2 hrs from Sac?
 
C Diddy's latest pokerstars pet peeve:

I decided to play a little bigger 2 nights ago. I was tired of the 5/10 tables and all of the all-in pre flop idiots holding 4-6 offsuit so I went to a 100/200 table with a 45% pre-flop players percentage. The table was full, so I got on the waiting list and about 6 hands later, a spot opened up and I took it.

I made a point while I was watching to see who was betting pre-flop and what kinds of cards people were playing to the showdown. I was pretty impressed. Maybe once in the 6 hands I watched someone had the guts to play a 10-8 offsuit and ended up with a 2 pair on the river, although he lost to the guy with the A-10 that was betting 5k and 10k bets and the idiot with the 10s was calling. He busted out, I took his seat.

I didnt play any hands to the flop for the few hands, mostly because I was dealt rags but sometimes I just didnt feel like committing 3000 chips pre-flop with 10-J offsuit or even A-8 offsuit. I started to get flustered folding pre-flop every hand, especially when I folded 10-4 once and would of had 10's full of fours on the flop. So the 4th hand, I decided I would play a little looser. Not horrendously, "I'm a screaming amateur" looser, but a little looser. I was dealt K-9 offsuit. The bet was 2400. I decided to call. I had about 25,000 chips or so at the time and was hesitant but I played it anyway. 2 others called and we went to the flop.

The flop came 10-Q-J, giving me the straight. I was somewhat concerned about someone holding A-K but after the two players checked I decided to bet 5,000. I was feeling a little brave, just getting flopped a great hand and I wanted to see who would play.

I got one call and the other folded. This guy, who had about 17,000 chips left after the flop with a pathetic handle starts filling up the chat window with how badly he is gonna beat me and that I should fold. I wasn't intimidated at all, holding a straight and going with the odds that he wasn't dealt A-K.

Next card was a 5. I don't remember what exactly the suits were down at the time but I do remember that at this point there was no chance for a flush so i waited for the bet, confidently.

Mouthy checked. I bet 10,000, leaving me with about 10k left in chips and would put him nearly all in if he called. He raises all in, and I call, leaving me with about 3-4k left in chips.

The river comes...3. I am hoping beyond all hope that he isnt holding A-K and then comes the showdown. I have the winning hand and he mucks. I am still dying to know what he was holding but I guess I'll never know. He immediately starts bashing me in the chat. "Why in the world would you call a 2400 raise with K-9 preflop? How stupid are you? I bet you lose all your money playing real poker. Unbelievable. I hate f***ing crappy players. They are ruining Pokerstars."

I respond, "You should of raised more then, I had a feeling and I went with it. I folded 3 hands in a row waiting for some cards I felt comfortable with and I played them."

Idiot with a keyboard responds, "Seriously, why on earth would you call 2400 with K-9 offsuit? Were you hoping to get lucky? Is that how you always play? To get lucky and make the real players look bad?"

My response....silence.

He continues with the same crap through the next hand in which he ends up going all in with pocket 10's (I folded pre-flop) and gets busted out because he couldnt make a set and somewhat got a Q pair at the Turn card.

I entered a =) into the chat as he busts out and he leaves in an expletive burst of glory.

It was amusing, to say the least.
 
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Hahaha!!!!

Thanks for that hillarious story, Diddy. I love players who go nuts on you for making a horrible read. If I were to guess, he probably flopped a set, or hit top two pair with QJ, just based on his comments.

Another possibility is that it was a ridiculously horrible bluff, and his comments were a sad attempt at bullying you out of the pot, and his all-in was just another facet of that bluff. But I doubt it, unless he's an exceptionally bad player. Everyone knows rule 1: generally speaking, strong=weak...weak=strong.

However, K9o is not a garbage hand either. It's not something I would play UTG (under the gun, meaning...first position), however based on your story, he rasied in front of you, giving you positional advantage. You gambled a little, and the flop hit you hard. Good job, you made a correct play.

He was just unlucky to hit a big hand when you had a bigger hand. But that's poker.
 
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Interesting challenge to the players of "The Big Game"

The Biggest Game

The World's Biggest Poker Game
by Barry Shulman

Barry Shulman

Ever since it opened its doors, Bellagio in Las Vegas has hosted the biggest poker game in the world.

Oftentimes it has been "built around" an affable gentleman from Texas, Andy Beal, who flies to Las Vegas and tackles one player at a time.

The biggest game, played May 12 and May 13, 2004, was $100,000-$200,000 limit hold'em. If you are new to the scene, that means that many pots are more than $1 million and heads-up play sometimes gets in as many as 75 hands per hour.

Andy recently phoned me and expressed frustration with what he said were mischaracterizations in recent news accounts of his poker games. He said he wanted to somehow set the record straight, and asked me to publish his open letter below.

From The Desk Of Andy Beal

Dallas, Texas
Date: September 2004

To: Doyle Brunson, Chip Reese, Todd Brunson, Jennifer Harman, Howard Lederer, Chau Giang, Barry Greenstein, Ted Forrest, Gus Hansen, Lee Salem, John Hennigan, Ming La, Lyle Berman, Phil Ivey, Johnny Chan, Hamid Dastmalchi

I recently read a story in the New York Daily News that is an unfair mischaracterization of my recent poker experience in the "Big Game" played at Bellagio.

No mention was made that I won more than $10 million in the largest game ever played, $100,000-$200,000 limit hold'em, on May 12 and 13, 2004. No mention was made of the fact that most of the above-mentioned professional players have substantial overall individual net losses after having played many hours against me. I concede that I am a net overall loser in the Bellagio games, although the extent of my losses is often exaggerated and mischaracterized.

These stories have become like fishermen's tales, in which the fish is always getting bigger every time the story is told. I spent four years learning the game from the best. Does it surprise anyone that I was an overall net loser during that period? Now, you want to reduce the stakes and refuse to continue to play at the previous betting limits. Does it surprise anyone that I have little interest in traveling to play in smaller games? My interest has always been the intellectual challenge of competing with the best, in games in which the amount bet is material to the people involved. I have played the best in the largest game ever played, and I won. I had a great time and a wonderful experience, but I have little interest in continuing to play the game, because of the time commitment and travel required to maintain excellence.

Call me naïve (I've been called worse), but I believe that I am the favorite in a heads-up limit high-stakes game against most of you. For the record, I challenge you to put up or shut up about your "professional play." Come to Dallas and play me for four hours a day and I will play until one of us runs out of money or cries uncle. If your play is so great and your wins have been as large as you claim, you should have plenty of bankroll and be jumping at the chance to come and play another $100,000-$200,000 game and win a lot more money. I should add that you can bring your own independent dealers and your own cards, and can play in a different location of your choice every day if you wish. You should provide a slate of any six or more of the above players and I will pick from your slate who plays. Observers should be free to attend in order to record exactly what happens at this game, so it won't turn into another fisherman's story.

My money says you will decline, and that says it all. If you accept, the resulting game will say it all. Either way, I will get to stop reading fishermen's stories.

Andy Beal

P.S. This challenge is for now (starting September 2004), not weeks, months, or years from now.
 
What's really funny is that even if the guy put C Diddy on a bigger preflop hand calling that raise, why didn't A-K cross his little mind? :)
 
AceKingSuited said:
Holy crap! 100k/200k LHE? I find it hard to wrap my mind around that idea.
Wow! Just think about getting blinded down $150,000 every time around the table even if you don't play any hands! :eek:

And at 75 hands per hour, that's $1,125,000 an hour if all you did was fold!
 
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NME said:
What's really funny is that even if the guy put C Diddy on a bigger preflop hand calling that raise, why didn't A-K cross his little mind? :)


You're right, to not immediately be concerned about a straight with a board of TJQ rainbow is pretty dumb.
 
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