General Poker Thread v.1

It seems we have an up and coming local poker star. Was anyone here aware of his career before this article?

http://www.sacbee.com/content/lifestyle/story/11210919p-12126708c.html

Holdin' his own
JC Tran is a rising star in the galaxy of poker
By Bob Sylva -- Bee Staff Writer
Published 2:15 am PDT Monday, October 25, 2004
Let's play a round of "what's my line."
Justin Cuong Tran, who wears a Yankees cap for luck and goes by the name "JC," has the instincts of a gunslinger, the intuition of a psychic.

At 27, the son of Vietnamese refugees, who has a business degree from California State University, Sacramento, and a master's in the odds, he is bright, fearless and, so far, in the money.

So what does JC Tran do for a living?

No, he's not a campaign consultant.

It's poker, which in case you've been holed up in a cave, is the hot hand of the moment. Especially no-limit Texas Hold 'Em. Every cable channel has its own ongoing reality series. The Internet is flush with poker sites, with a reported $6 billion a year wagered on the Web.

Card rooms are packed. Casinos are hosting million-dollar tournaments every week. Guys coming out of college don a pair of shades, a cagey attitude and think they're the next Amarillo Slim. Otherwise bedroom-playing computer geeks like Chris Moneymaker, who earned $2.5 million in the 2003 World Series of Poker with a $40 buy-in, are schoolboy role models.

Everybody's all in, all the time.

Tran isn't a recognizable player in this morality tale yet. But give him time. He has patience, a bankroll, a winning backstory.

"He's the rising star," says Dick Sacino, a Sacramento attorney who met, has played - and lost - against Tran at the Capitol Casino, a popular 24-hour card room on North 16th Street. "He has the distinct ability to figure out what the opposition is holding."

Says Jerry Ognibene, who at 61 is a veteran of the game and a regular at Capitol Casino: "He is the best Texas Hold 'Em player I have ever seen. He's got some maturing to do. But he has all the talent in the world."

Tran doesn't play at the Capitol Casino anymore. The pots are too small, the play too stingy. Now he's on the tournament circuit, traveling every week to either Las Vegas or Los Angeles. In two years of nonstop play, Tran has raked in $500,000 in earnings.

Not bad for a local boy.

It's not quite a pop star life. He and his poker pals typically crash in a hotel room to save on expenses. Fine dining is Quiznos. Caressing chips is silky, but he misses his girlfriend. His poor parents wish that he held a 9-to-5 job. But he has gone up against such poker immortals as Doyle Brunson. He has been in big cash games with celebrities such as Ben Affleck, who Tran contends is not a very good player. But Spidey is. "In my opinion, Tobey Maguire is one of the best celebrity players," says Tran, who also has played Morris Chestnut and Lou Diamond Phillips at the star-studded Commerce Casino in Los Angeles.

Right now, according to Card Player magazine, the poker bible that compiles "player of the year" standings, Tran is ranked 21st in the country. This puts him ahead, at least in points, not necessarily winnings, of such top players as Annie Duke (No. 65), Moneymaker (No. 104) and Phil Ivey (No. 118).

Last August, in his first World Series of Poker at Binion's, Tran played in seven events, made two final tables and pocketed winnings of $15,000, $19,000 and $46,000. At one final table, Tran made a brief cameo on ESPN. For that appearance, local yokel that he is, he took off his Yankees cap and donned a Kings cap. Big mistake. He was quickly knocked out.

His goal is to win a $1 million event. Don't bet against him. He's lucky.

"For my second year of tournament play, I am making more money than I ever dreamed of making," Tran says. "It has happened so fast."

On a recent summer morning, Tran is trying his best to screw on a game face. For a man who typically goes to bed at 7 a.m., the rarely seen 11 a.m. light arrives like a bad dream. He wears a sheepish smile.

Tran lives in Elk Grove, in a modest ranch-style home that he shares with his parents and an older brother who deals cards at Cache Creek Casino. Last year, Tran, in gratitude to his family, retired the mortgage with $50,000 of his winnings.

Tran, out from behind a baize table and in harsh daylight, seems quite ordinary. He is wearing baggy shorts, Nike shoes, a Ralph Lauren striped polo. He has a faint mustache and, perforce his job, a pasty face. He is serious and subdued. There is nothing flashy about him. No gold, no studs, no attitude.

He was born Cuong Tran in Nha Trang, in central Vietnam, the youngest of eight children. In 1983, the family settled in Sacramento. They lived in the River Oaks housing project; his parents tilled a garden. Tran attended Jedediah Smith Elementary School, Cal Middle School and played football at McClatchy High.

Unlike most of his pals, Tran went to college. He worked for the city as a recreation aide, coaching flag football and basketball. He thought of a career in finance, maybe something in information technology. His parents held out great hopes for their youngest son.

On his 21st birthday, however, as fate would have it, he and his brother walked into the Sundown Casino on Del Paso Boulevard. He bought in a game for $40. And cashed out with $120. "I was super happy," he says. "I was fortunate to win right off the bat."

Soon, he came back to play again. And again. By the third month, he got into a game with $80 and cashed out with $1,800. Casino patrons took to calling him "The Kid!" And pretty soon, The Kid was playing poker during lunch breaks, after school, and would often play all night before trudging off to class.

Two years ago, bankrolled by friends, Tran went to Los Angeles and entered his first tournament. He ended up winning $74,000. For a time, he was often backed by "investors" who took a piece of his action.

Today, Tran is a small, legitimate businessman. He keeps records. He has an accountant. He pays taxes. He is looking into a health care plan. It's all about money management. About picking the right games, about making the right bet. About keeping his head.

"I have the discipline to sit and wait to play the better hands," Tran says. "Ultimately, I'm going to get a hand, and I'm going to be rewarded."

But not always. On another morning, Tran is back from a disastrous road trip. He spent a week in Vegas at "The Mirage Showdown." The outing put him back $13,000.

"I didn't cash out," he says. "I got close at two events. I just got into some unlucky situations."

After that run of bad luck, he flew to Los Angeles to play in the "Legends of Poker" at the Bicycle Casino in Bell Gardens. Tran played in six events, placing in three, earning payoffs of $1,200, $1,800 and $2,200.

Tournaments, which can attract upward of 500 entrants, are often a a quagmire of amateurs. "That's the thing about tournaments," Tran says. "There is always going to be that one guy who doesn't play the way he's supposed to play. And he ends up beating you."

So this trip, he returns a poorer but wiser man. But not discouraged. "You have to have confidence," he assures. "You have to believe that you can sit down and beat these players. I would never sit down at a table if I didn't think I could win."

It's early fall now. Tran is back from Los Angeles, where he has spent an entire month. He is upbeat, positively beaming.

He got into a cash game at the Commerce. It started around 7 p.m. By the time it finished at 7 a.m., Tran had won $16,000. He went to his hotel, caught a quick wink and then got into a $300 buy-in tournament. At the end, though he wasn't the chip leader, the four surviving players opted to split the $40,000 prize money. Tran came home $26,000 fat.

Last week, at Bellagio's Festa al Lago III, a million-dollar poker tournament, Tran placed 13th and pocketed $30,000.

If all this sounds like an exciting life, it really isn't. Tran says he hates being away from home, that it's no fun living in a hotel room. That he wants his parents to be proud of him. That he wishes he could convince them that what he's doing is almost like holding down a regular job.

But playing poker isn't a regular job. He doesn't own a house. He drives a blue Honda with 100,000 miles on it. He would like to get married someday. He is frugal, prudent, even cautious. All his energies are spent in building, and conserving, his bankroll.

Odd, in a game that rewards risks, if not luck, Tran wants to take as few chances as possible.

Maybe this is Tran's strength.

"When I first started playing," he says, "it was just for fun. I was satisfied with making a couple of hundred bucks a week. Before, I never thought I would get to this level. Now at these tournaments, they know me by name. That's a good feeling. It's an honor to know some of these players. But making money is more important to me than recognition."

He smiles. Takes a peek at his hand, in a matter of speaking. Continues his verbal play. "So I'm on the verge of becoming a professional player," he says. "This could be a career for me. I'm just testing the waters. I don't want to get ahead of myself."

Sounds like he's got nothing in the hole.

Maybe he's bluffing.

Want to bet?
 
NME said:
I'm giving "Winning Low Limit" a second read-through now - lots of good information and quite concisely and painlessly presented. I hear that some criticize Jones's tactics as a bit on the passive side, but even the detractors still seem to agree it's an essential read. Next I'm moving on to a couple of books that I've read are good early texts - "Hold'em Excellence" by Lou Krieger, and "The Complete Guide to Hold'em" by Gary Carson.

After that I plan to read "Small Stakes Hold'em" by Ed Miller which is getting rave reviews from low limit players. It's a bit more advanced, but I figure those other books should give me a solid starting foundation, and I want to get somewhat proficient in Limit Ring Game strategy before I get too much into No Limit or Tournament play. I'll probably cycle through the above books a few times, and then mix in "Theory of Poker" and "Hold'em Poker for Advanced Players" by Sklansky.

By the way, for those who want to read up on no limit, from my research the consensus seems to point to Brunson's section in "Super/System" (as Iggy mentioned), "Pot Limit & No Limit Poker" by Ciaffone and Reuben, and "Championship No Limit and Pot Limit Hold'em" by McEvoy and T.J. Cloutier. Apparantly, there's not a whole lot out there to recommend written on No Limit in particular. I guess I'll get to these eventually in my curriculum. :)
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Hey NME, do you ever actually, you know... play poker?
;)
 
Yes, smart guy. :p

Believe me, it's nothing for me to get interested in a subject and go through ten books on it. Amazon LOVES me. :)
 
I'm a combination between the Unabomber and Annie ... with a touch of The Professor thrown in...

Of course, I occasionally lose all rational thought and end up dumping 25,000-30,000 into a pot when I forget that a full house beats a flush, even if the flush looks REALLY good.

:o
 
You know the best feeling in the world? When you're up against a tough opponent, you - for some reason - keep pocket twos and end up beating his flush with that fourth two on the river!!!

Sometimes, life is just good.
 
My favorite is being up against an aggressive player who's been trying to steamroll people the last few hands, then you flop the nuts and slowplay him into his own grave. ;)
 
I just did a nice bluff....

speaking of which i saw 4 5's on the river the other day. it beat 2 other player who had straights......
 
VF21 said:
I'm a combination between the Unabomberand Annie ... with a touch of The Professor thrown in
Do you pull your hood shut on big hands, even though people can't see you on the net? ;)

Fun Fact: Jennifer Tilly was on Stern this morning, and she's dating the Unabomber. :eek: Poker players are moving up more in status all the time.

Iggy said:
speaking of which i saw 4 5's on the river the other day. it beat 2 other player who had straights......
Bah, I lost to quads TWICE within an hour an Wednesday. Both times I had their sets covered until they caught their fourth on the river. :(
 
NME said:
Do you pull your hood shut on big hands, even though people can't see you on the net? ;)
Why yes - yes, I do. ;)

And BTW it's an official Kings hooded sweatshirt, just like Doug's.

:D
 
C Diddy's Pokerstars rant #2

I've about had it with Pokerstars Play Money Tables. I think I either need to stop playing or fork up some real money and play. I haven't played in about 2-3 weeks as it is because I'm tired of all the losers and pre-teens out there that have no regard for their downcards and just push the call/raise button at random intervals and hope to get lucky. Here's the latest rant from me about Pokerstars and why I probably wont play for another 2-3 weeks.

I hopped on to Pokerstars today to play a little bit. I hadn't played in a few weeks and I wanted to get my feel for the game again in case a couple friends came over for a friendly game in the near future. Another main reason why I was itching for some Hold Em was I just rewatched the 2004 WSOP again. =)

I get on and jump into a 100-200NL table. I only bring in about 10,000 in play chips. I have about 20,000 or so left in reserve. I am watching the players play for about 3 hands then I sit down. One guy, Witchiefoo or something like that, is pretty erratic, he folds a couple hands then plays 6-8 offsuit or somehting similar to river and loses badly. I don't quite understand his strategy, but oh well. He has about 8,000 in free chips left and at this point I am down to about 8,500 left after blinds have eaten my stack away and I havent played anything to the flop that I couldn't check on the big blind.

I get dealt 10h-10d. Decent starting hand. I'm liking things a bit here so I play a little aggressive and bet 500. I get 3 callers, one of whom is the Witchiefoo dude. Flop comes 10c-4s-Qd. I have a set and I wanna make some money here so I tried to slowplay them a bit by checking. No one bets and we go to the Turn, much to my dismay. Turn comes 8h. Flush has been eliminated at this point and I figure only a pocket pair of Q would beat me. I thought about trying to slow play it again but figured they would all check on me again so I bet, 2500. Witchiefoo calls and the 2 others fold. River comes 6c.

Just to recap I have 10h-10d, Community is 10c-4s-Qd-8h-6c. My set of 10s is looking pretty great right now and I decide to bet again, another 2500. Witchiefoo comes over the top and raises all-in. I have him covered with about 900 chips to spare and I quickly call, thinking theres no way he can bully me off this pot. I nearly have the nuts here, pocket Q would beat me and there's no way in hell in person in there right mind would of called 3000 in bets holding a 9-7.

At the showdown, sure enough, hes holding 9-7 offsuit. The Straight. I am flustered beyond all belief. How in the heck did I just lose that pot? Why in the world did he call 3000 in bets with a straight draw? I quickly sit out and mope for a moment, begin to type out a rant in the chat box when i look up and notice that the top of my screen says "Pokerstars", and then it all becomes clear. I'm still pissed but I think I'll avoid Pokerstars for a while. I don't think that kind of stress is good for a 23 year old young man.
 
After playing for quite some time, I have assembled a list of people - about 12 - that I actually enjoy playing with. I'll generally use the "Find a player" feature and look for them. Otherwise, I have no problem in jumping from one table to the next if I find someone who just isn't playing with anything approaching knowledge of the game. Your mistake is assuming Witchiefoo is "in his right mind."

I bought World Series of Poker for my computer last weekend. I'm having a lot of fun - and I'm honing my skills a little. It's a lot less frustrating.

;)
 
Hey, I thought I might just chip in some unsolicited advice about the 100/200 NLHE Pstars playmoney tables, since I used to play those all the time for about a year. If you don't want it, I apologize. I'm just trying to help.

Just to let you know, a $500 raise is nothing on those tables. My standard raise on those tables is about 2k-3k, because you really have to overbet pre-flop to drive out the junk hands on a play money table. In fact, an all-in push might have been warranted, since those tables are loose enough to get a call or two depending on how tight you are representing, and considering how small your stack was.

I didn't notice that you mentioned what position you were in, as that makes a big difference in how to play pocket tens. Late position, with no raises ahead of you, I think a 3k raise would have been good, but in 1st position, I might have just raised 2k. However, making your decisions based on fundamentals like position and odds is much less important, because on those play money tables, your opponents are less likely to notice or make their decisions based on traditional poker logic.

However, I think that was a totally stupid move on his part to call your $2,500 bet on the flop without even a draw. Even if he assumed you were bluffing, surely he can't think a 9-high is any good.

Also, his pot odds to call that bet were nowhere near good enough to justify his calling your bet. You said you raised to 500, and got 3 callers. This makes the pot 2k total. Even with implied odds, there's no way he can justify calling $2,500 with 97, with a board of T-4-Q for a pot of only $2k. He had no draw, and no pair, and virtually no chance of winning. Basically, he needed a miracle, which unfortunately for you, is what he got.

I hope you don't get too discouraged, because bad beats are just a part of the game. It's just a part of the statistics of poker. Mathematically, even though AA v 72o will win about 85%-90% of the time, 10%-15% of the time you will take an unfair beating that is sure to pee you off, unless you realize that in the long term, you are going to come ahead far more than you lose.

Good luck, Mr Diddy :)



C Diddy said:
I've about had it with Pokerstars Play Money Tables. I think I either need to stop playing or fork up some real money and play. I haven't played in about 2-3 weeks as it is because I'm tired of all the losers and pre-teens out there that have no regard for their downcards and just push the call/raise button at random intervals and hope to get lucky. Here's the latest rant from me about Pokerstars and why I probably wont play for another 2-3 weeks.

I hopped on to Pokerstars today to play a little bit. I hadn't played in a few weeks and I wanted to get my feel for the game again in case a couple friends came over for a friendly game in the near future. Another main reason why I was itching for some Hold Em was I just rewatched the 2004 WSOP again. =)

I get on and jump into a 100-200NL table. I only bring in about 10,000 in play chips. I have about 20,000 or so left in reserve. I am watching the players play for about 3 hands then I sit down. One guy, Witchiefoo or something like that, is pretty erratic, he folds a couple hands then plays 6-8 offsuit or somehting similar to river and loses badly. I don't quite understand his strategy, but oh well. He has about 8,000 in free chips left and at this point I am down to about 8,500 left after blinds have eaten my stack away and I havent played anything to the flop that I couldn't check on the big blind.

I get dealt 10h-10d. Decent starting hand. I'm liking things a bit here so I play a little aggressive and bet 500. I get 3 callers, one of whom is the Witchiefoo dude. Flop comes 10c-4s-Qd. I have a set and I wanna make some money here so I tried to slowplay them a bit by checking. No one bets and we go to the Turn, much to my dismay. Turn comes 8h. Flush has been eliminated at this point and I figure only a pocket pair of Q would beat me. I thought about trying to slow play it again but figured they would all check on me again so I bet, 2500. Witchiefoo calls and the 2 others fold. River comes 6c.

Just to recap I have 10h-10d, Community is 10c-4s-Qd-8h-6c. My set of 10s is looking pretty great right now and I decide to bet again, another 2500. Witchiefoo comes over the top and raises all-in. I have him covered with about 900 chips to spare and I quickly call, thinking theres no way he can bully me off this pot. I nearly have the nuts here, pocket Q would beat me and there's no way in hell in person in there right mind would of called 3000 in bets holding a 9-7.

At the showdown, sure enough, hes holding 9-7 offsuit. The Straight. I am flustered beyond all belief. How in the heck did I just lose that pot? Why in the world did he call 3000 in bets with a straight draw? I quickly sit out and mope for a moment, begin to type out a rant in the chat box when i look up and notice that the top of my screen says "Pokerstars", and then it all becomes clear. I'm still pissed but I think I'll avoid Pokerstars for a while. I don't think that kind of stress is good for a 23 year old young man.
 
i like cache creek's cardroom, but i hate the $3 button ante at capitol casino. although it's the best position to make a forced bet, it's hard not to feel ripped off.
 
Hell yes. The stars were aligned tonight. :D

Chopped a SnG, got a bonus release at Party, and then swam with the fishies for a few hours. Hey Iggy, are those $25 NLHE tables usually that soft, or did I just get lucky?

Life is good.
 
Hey, I love those play money sit n go's. I played in 2 this weekend where each cost me 25,000 chips. I was paid 45,000 chips for each of them....came in 3rd twice.
 
AceKingSuited said:
Hell yes. The stars were aligned tonight. :D

Chopped a SnG, got a bonus release at Party, and then swam with the fishies for a few hours. Hey Iggy, are those $25 NLHE tables usually that soft, or did I just get lucky?

Life is good.
Yes they are soft esp. the $10+$1 torunaments.
Normally I come in the top 3 if I put in some effort. Even when I am short stacked I know I can come back...you then to find that the players are tight and not aggressive...could make a nice little earner on those games.
 
AceKingSuited said:
Hell yes. The stars were aligned tonight. :D

Chopped a SnG, got a bonus release at Party, and then swam with the fishies for a few hours. Hey Iggy, are those $25 NLHE tables usually that soft, or did I just get lucky?

Life is good.
The only time I go to Cache Creek is @ lunch time mon to wed....you get $100 for cracked aces.
 
Okay, sometimes life IS good. I played in my first play money SNG. And I won! 112,500 chips!

Whoooooo!
 
VF21 said:
Okay, sometimes life IS good. I played in my first play money SNG. And I won! 112,500 chips!

Whoooooo!
Hey, good for you!! :)

I have been playing in the lower level no-limit SNG's as a way to practice playing no-limit poker. If I pay only 2000 to play I am not risking much and I get to play several hands. I have placed several times, but never won.


Congrats to you!!
 
I just found the Play Money Sit'n'Go's this past Saturday. Wish I had tried them sooner. I much prefer tournament style to just finding a random table. I won my first one (woo hoo!) with a little luck and a bit more luck. After an early win, I never had to show my cards on a win again until the final hand, when I slow-played my opponent into going all in with King high against my Kings and deuces (there was no flush or straight draw, so I was somewhat confident). That was fun.

The second one was a tad bit odd (although for play money at PokerStars I know to expect nothing).

After playing awhile, one guy with decent amount of chips goes all in a couple hands in a row. He is called the second time and he has something like 7-4 offsuit. He says in the chat window that he has to go so he's going all in with a bad hand. He pairs his 4 on the river and doubles up. Later, he goes all in again and comes from well behind to win. Now, with the chip lead, he stops going all in, but continues to be extra loose. I end up bowing out in 4th place (out of 9) when he goes all in and I call. He had pocket aces. Doh! I stay and watch as he comes from way behind two or three more times on the way to winning the tournament. I don't think I'll be going all in with a 7-4o any time soon, but it was darn funny to watch.
 
You know you've become immersed in poker when...

you see the "Brunson Update" thread from the Monarch Forum listed on the index page and immediately think "Doyle".
 
uolj said:
I just found the Play Money Sit'n'Go's this past Saturday. Wish I had tried them sooner. I much prefer tournament style to just finding a random table. I won my first one (woo hoo!) with a little luck and a bit more luck. After an early win, I never had to show my cards on a win again until the final hand, when I slow-played my opponent into going all in with King high against my Kings and deuces (there was no flush or straight draw, so I was somewhat confident). That was fun.

The second one was a tad bit odd (although for play money at PokerStars I know to expect nothing).

After playing awhile, one guy with decent amount of chips goes all in a couple hands in a row. He is called the second time and he has something like 7-4 offsuit. He says in the chat window that he has to go so he's going all in with a bad hand. He pairs his 4 on the river and doubles up. Later, he goes all in again and comes from well behind to win. Now, with the chip lead, he stops going all in, but continues to be extra loose. I end up bowing out in 4th place (out of 9) when he goes all in and I call. He had pocket aces. Doh! I stay and watch as he comes from way behind two or three more times on the way to winning the tournament. I don't think I'll be going all in with a 7-4o any time soon, but it was darn funny to watch.
I'm quickly becoming totally obsessed with the play money SNG tournaments, too. Just what I need. ANOTHER obsession to fill the few remaining waking moments of my life not devoted to the Kings, family and work... ;)

One thing I'm finally learning is to make decent bets on good opening hands. I used to just limp in on anything. Now I'm learning that often the only way to win with Big Slick is to do so well before the river...

AceKingSuited! It's all YOUR fault!!!




























Thanks!!!

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I have gotten to where I almost exclusively play sit n go's. I had a terrible run for several days where I couldn't catch a card if my life depended on it. However, the past 2 days I have played in 4 sit n go tourneys. I won 3 of them and placed 2nd in the 4th one. :D


p.s. You'll be happy to know that I have graduated to NL poker.
 
NME said:
You know you've become immersed in poker when...

you see the "Brunson Update" thread from the Monarch Forum listed on the index page and immediately think "Doyle".

That's so funny! Me too!

@ VF...YW! :)

@ 6th, congrats. Good luck to y'all.

BTW: I'm glad this thread still has a pulse!
 
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