Evan Turner Or John Wall

I'm good either way. Also, either guy will resolve the Tyreke position debate. If it’s Wall, then Evans moves over to the two and you get a Rose/Wade ish backcourt. On the other hand, Turner’s vision and passing ensure that you can play Tyreke at point – even if he doesn’t develop point guard skills beyond say Billups. Whether you play Turner as a big two or average sized 3 it doesn’t matter, because you can fit any type of player at the other wing. I’ll say this is the Michael Ray Richardson (minus coke) and Roy ish backcourt. Either backcourt will be awesome.

Wall has more god given talent, more upside, and pure point guard skills (which are so hard to find). Also, I’d like to watch Evans play if he could just attack and stop trying to learn the point guard position. I’m happy with either – but I’d lean toward Wall.
 
It appears close right now, but consider what Wall would be if he stayed for his junior year. Turner arguably fits better with Tyreke, but if you have a chance at Wall you have to pick him regardless.

...even if that means you ultimately trade Tyreke. :eek:
 
If we get the first pick in the draft, I would hold up whoever had the second pick for the rights to Wall and then choose Turner. Of course that doesn't work if the second place team is a team like Minny. I can't imagine them selecting another point guard. Well, maybe I can. You just can't have too many..

The best fit is Turner, and right now I think he's the best player in college. That doesn't mean he'll eventually be the best player overall though. I'd sure like to have number one in this draft, just to see what we could get out of it.
 
I like ET the 'FIT' better, but I'd ransom John Wall away via a trade to some team dump enough to give us more future assets in exchange for ET. Wall's great, but I think he's been overhyped, much like Rubio last year.
 
i just hope we have the opporunity to choose between the two of them. if we would to get the 1st pick i agree with bajaden. try to trade down one pick and obtain extra pieces like picks or players.
 
When you have the #1 pick, and there is one guy who has the most potential to be a super star but another player is a better fit ... bad things happen when you draft on need. See Webber and Penny - bad call even if there is no Penny injury.

If you think they are both equal bets to be a star and one player is a better fit ... then fine. I won't dispute that. But - at the top of the draft - you don't pass a chance to grab one of the top 10-20 guys going forward based upon need. A lot of the posts focus mostly on fit. Maybe you are assuming they are equal ... I just don't know that's correct.

However, this could be like Kidd and Hill in the same draft. No wrong answer.

Petrie is really good at seeing those things. I'm not a blind Petrie follower, but on this call I'll totally defer.
 
Larry David said:
When you have the #1 pick, and there is one guy who has the most potential to be a super star but another player is a better fit ... bad things happen when you draft on need. See Webber and Penny - bad call even if there is no Penny injury.

If you think they are both equal bets to be a star and one player is a better fit ... then fine. I won't dispute that. But - at the top of the draft - you don't pass a chance to grab one of the top 10-20 guys going forward based upon need. A lot of the posts focus mostly on fit. Maybe you are assuming they are equal ... I just don't know that's correct.

However, this could be like Kidd and Hill in the same draft. No wrong answer.

Petrie is really good at seeing those things. I'm not a blind Petrie follower, but on this call I'll totally defer.
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Give us the #1 pick, and I think most of the basketball world would know what's best.
 
There is just no way - you don't take Wall if you have a chance.

Doesn't matter who would fit better at all. You either take Wall if you have a chance or you are an incompetent idiot who had to be fired
 
Wall and it isnt even close in my mind. And yes, I think Wall would be a fine fit with Tyreke because Wall appears to be a great basketball player.
 
NME said:
It appears close right now, but consider what Wall would be if he stayed for his junior year. Turner arguably fits better with Tyreke, but if you have a chance at Wall you have to pick him regardless.

...even if that means you ultimately trade Tyreke. :eek:
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Wash your mouth out and punch yourself in the face. Do not speak the words trade and Tyreke in the same sentence EVER again unless it is referring to trading for someone that would play very well with Tyreke.

You can't build a championship team, or even a very talented team if you keep on getting one talented piece and trading the other away.
 
DocHolliday said:
Wash your mouth out and punch yourself in the face. Do not speak the words trade and Tyreke in the same sentence EVER again unless it is referring to trading for someone that would play very well with Tyreke.

You can't build a championship team, or even a very talented team if you keep on getting one talented piece and trading the other away.
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That's not my hope; my point is that you take the superior talent and then adjust to however it works out. I would hope that they could play together, but what if they can't and Wall is the better player (which is quite possible)? In that situation, it would be foolish to be overly attached to Tyreke just because we met him a year earlier. And if Wall is a superstar and Turner is the next tier of star, we'd be foolish to trade down a spot for some other asset.
 
I haven't really been following college basketball much this year, but the one time I saw John Wall play (against UCONN) he was jaw-droppingly good for brief moments. He didn't seem to make as big of an impact as I would have expected for a guy labeled as the next "best PG of this generation" but those few plays where he kicked it into full gear -- my god. It's like everyone else was moving in slow motion. His late game decision making is starting to reach legendary status. I can't say I'm not intrigued. He looks like Derrick Rose with a better midrange jumper and better defense. Sounds pretty good to me.

I haven't seen Evan Turner play unfortunately. They've got a game on ESPN this weekend I'll try to catch. You'd think I would have seen him at least once the last two years but I guess Ohio State hasn't been very good during that time period. I'll admit I've got a soft spot for do-it-all swingmen. Wallace, Smith, Butler, Roy. Most of my favorite players fall into that category. The numbers Turner is putting up this year are crazy. The advantage for Turner is that Evans gets to stay at the PG spot. No he's not a traditional PG, but he's a monster at that position on offense and defense which is very very good for us. Put Turner in the backcourt with him and you've still got that huge backcourt tandem we were hoping we'd get with Martin. My questions are mostly about defense. How quick does he move his feet? Does he look focused on stopping his man? Does he make smart rotations? That's mostly what I'll be watching for. Not that you can accurately judge these things with one game, but I'll defer to others for more comprehensive analysis.

You'd have to question whether it's wise to stack all your top-level talent in the backcourt, but we'd have that same issue with either guy. Depending on what you think about Favors and Cousins (Does Favors want to be a go-to guy? Is Cousins uncoachable and/or unmotivated?) if you got a top 2 pick in this draft, at this point it looks like there might be a steep talent drop after Wall and Turner. That's why every year aound this time I start wishing we had two lottery picks so we wouldn't have to make that guard/big-man choice when we obviously still need help with both. There's so many big-men projected in the first round this year it would be a shame to miss out on all of them given our perpetual front-court problems, but like others have said that's no reason to pass on All-Star or maybe Superstar talent.
 
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Never draft for need that high in the lottery. Ask Portland. They did it twice.

Take Wall and figure the rest out later
 
est.1999 said:
Never draft for need that high in the lottery. Ask Portland. They did it twice.
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I'll give you Bowie but if you're talking about Oden and Durant that is complete revisionist history.

Someone mentioned Penny and Webb, Orlando got 3 first rounders in addition and passed up on some great players with them. They also made the finals while Golden State promptly traded Webb to Washington, who also found him too much to handle and graciously gifted him to us for an aging Mitch Richmond. I say advantage Orlando on that one.

I think we'd do well if we could work out a similar deal - draft Wall, move down a few spots for a ton of extra picks, since we can actually trust Petrie in the draft better than other roster moves I think that would be a steal.
 
Wall.

Highlights Highlights Highlights!!!

Of course between him and Reke, nobody else will ever see the ball. We'd have to fill the team out with spot up shooters and rollplayers.
 
gunks said:
Wall.

Highlights Highlights Highlights!!!

Of course between him and Reke, nobody else will ever see the ball. We'd have to fill the team out with spot up shooters and rollplayers.
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Thsi is what you have to do on any two star team. Check out the old Kobe n Shaq supporting cast. There wasn't even a third double figure scorer. The thing is..two guards though. It really is a tough fit. And no matter how good they are, you still somehow have to find an inside presence. Its just tough. Would never turn down the higher pick, but in some ways it wil be a relief to be picking #3 on down. At least there you know how to clearly proceed.
 
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