Kings play by play announcer Grant Napear rips DeMarcus Cousins

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Grant Napear has an agenda when it comes to Grant Napear....he's here to keep his job and get ratings for his show. He's in the same class as Voison, Furillo and other national media who want clicks. Sensationalize stories is what it's all about.

Cousins and the players are not stpid. These are veteran players who know what it takes to put them in position to win. George Karl has failed the organization miserably. If you can't see that then you don't want to see it. The players have said for some time now that they want George to coach, take charge. Cousins just got suspended for saying it again. He speaks the truth whether one likes it or not.

In this case right here, the head coach has not been up to the task at all. Who ever posted that pyramid of success by Wooden, go through each category and see how George has failed this team. A terrible coaching job of epic proportions. Now the fallout is that players are not motivated and they get ripped for perceived half effort. A competent coach would have had this team in the playoffs this year and by competent I mean any coach who gave 2 craps about defense instead of gimmick ball.
 
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George Karl is not the most important issue here. It's Demarcus. Forget about Karl. Fire him, keep him, it's not as important as this. Our biggest issue is Demarcus. We must keep focus on such.
 
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Really the argument is "Coaches Scheme" vs. "Players Effort" . I think many of us have determined the majority of the blame should go to Pace, Dumb defense, poor rotations, playing small, not playing Willie enough, etc, etc, etc, ad nauseam.

I'm tired of watching Karls style of play and I am sure as H$%# the players are tired of his crap. Old Coach Karl stuck with his dumb pace plan until he has lost the locker room.

I am done with Karl he needs to move on.
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Who are you to decide what the coach should be doing? Maybe there is a reason he does what he does that you don't understand. Maybe the coach expects the players to respect and apreiate getting playing time. Maybe he sacrafices some playing time in the rookie year to get more production later. But all of that is short circuited by players who refuse to have any respect. Who knows? You are an expert?
 
King Baller

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Siranthony said:
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Who are you to decide what the coach should be doing? Maybe there is a reason he does what he does that you don't understand. Maybe the coach expects the players to respect and apreiate getting playing time. Maybe he sacrafices some playing time in the rookie year to get more production later. But all of that is short circuited by players who refuse to have any respect. Who knows? You are an expert?
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We are just two people posting on an internet discussion forum. Rather than making it personal why don't you address what I wrote?

Maybe Coach Karl is washed up?
 
G_M

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Chubbs said:
There's 32 posts in this thread. 5 of them are YOU agreeing with Grant, or another poster who agreed with Grant.
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Is it possible that there's a least a modicum of truth in what he said? Its interesting to me that people are so entrenched in their positions that there appears to be no middle ground....
 
Chubbs

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G_M said:
Is it possible that there's a least a modicum of truth in what he said? Its interesting to me that people are so entrenched in their positions that there appears to be no middle ground....
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Agreeing over and over is just trolling. You missed the point.

Everyone knows what I'm Still Ballin thinks at this point. He's a "shut up and listen to the hall of fame coach no matter how senile he is" type. It's been established. There's a like button. Use that.
 
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"But let’s just say that you’re right and I’m wrong. Let’s just say that I’ve got the wrong opinion of the talent on this team. Do you see Rudy Gay acting like this? Do you see Darren Collison acting like this? Do you see Omri Casspi acting like this? Have you seen Rajon Rondo be anything other than a consummate professional this year? Do you see Quincy Acy act like this? I mean, I can go right down the line. Alright, what about players that were here before? Did you ever see Tyreke Evans act like this? You ever see Isaiah Thomas act like this? You ever see Patrick Patterson act like this? You ever see Marcus Thornton act like this? You ever see Jimmer Fredette act like this? I mean, I can go right on down the list. The reality is that this guy has got an issue that I dont’ think is fixable. That’s my opinion. Now, I could be wrong. I’m just one guy speaking on the radio here. That’s my opinion.
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This is a fair point.
 
Chubbs

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G_M said:
I guess in fabases where things are spiraling out of control these things matter...
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So now you want to fight with me or do you have a point?

If you do I'm not seeing it.

Is there truth in what Grant said? Yes. He listed actual teammates Cousins has suffered through. Props to Grant for that.

Is his thesis correct that Demarcus has brought the whole franchise to it's knees, a Coach killer, a franchise that was on it's 4th coach in 4 years the day Demarcus got here? Of course not.
 
G_M

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So now you want to fight with me or do you have a point?

If you do I'm not seeing it.

Is there truth in what Grant said? Yes. He listed actual teammates Cousins has suffered through. Props to Grant for that.

Is his thesis correct that Demarcus has brought the whole franchise to it's knees, a Coach killer, a franchise that was on it's 4th coach in 4 years the day Demarcus got here? Of course not.
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Your perception that this interaction constitutes a fight proves my larger point....

I was simply musing about the apparent intractable nature of certain positions.
 
CuzistanKing

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You can't spell "Grant" without a "rant" I guess...

I'm still not sure what Grant and those who agree with him want out of DMC. To shut up and play, like Rudy or Rajon, or Jimmer-freaking-Fredette? Yet, the same people are faulting Rudy and Rajon for "mailing it in" - so which one is it?

Don't they realize that that's exactly what "leadership" is - to speak up when nobody else would, to be the lightning rod if something goes bad, to try and rally the troops. DeMarcus is obviously not very good (yet) at being a leader, he's too hot-tempered for that. But he IS trying, which is in itself commendable, considering he doesn't have anyone to learn from. Remember how he and Rondo asked for weekly meetings with Karl, to slow down the pace? I imagine that went nowhere, so what else is a leader supposed to do? You can't keep trying to work things out amicably behind the closed doors when the other party (coaches) aren't listening.

Let's say DMC kept his mouth shut and played along the entire season - can anyone honestly say we'd be in a much better position, record-wise? If the answer is no, then isn't this whole thing just a sideshow, detracting from a discussion of what's really ailing this franchise?
 
Chubbs

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G_M said:
Your perception that this interaction constitutes a fight proves my larger point....

I was simply musing about the apparent intractable nature of certain positions.
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Seriously? That's your point. To notice that there are two competing sides here?

Hadn't noticed.
 
whozit

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G_M said:
Your perception that this interaction constitutes a fight proves my larger point....

I was simply musing about the apparent intractable nature of certain positions.
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If you look at the extremes as "He said, She said" positions, there is a shred of truth in both camps. The truth lies somewhere in between. Personally, his demeanor on the court leaves something to be desired. That's on him. High character off the court doesn't. Personally, Karl's coaching of this team on the court leaves more than "just something" to be desired. Despite his past success, he hasn't lived up to his bill of sale. That's on him. His character off the court with player assassinations in the press shows a lack of character. That also is on him. If my bias shows, so be it.
 
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Siranthony said:
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Who are you to decide what the coach should be doing? Maybe there is a reason he does what he does that you don't understand. Maybe the coach expects the players to respect and apreiate getting playing time. Maybe he sacrafices some playing time in the rookie year to get more production later. But all of that is short circuited by players who refuse to have any respect. Who knows? You are an expert?
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If Karl were trying to send a message to the players, the message didn't get communicated properly. This would still be on the coach to make sure players understand what's going on.
 
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We interrupt your squabbling to bring you the following editorial comment:

DesertFox said:
The best player is the team leader...
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I would like to meet whatever fraud is responsible for creating and perpetuating this myth, and soak his head for a bit. The best player and the team leader are often the same person. It is not axiomatic that they have to be.


Anyway, that's it, that all I had to say. Please return to Episode e^x of Cousins versus...
 
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He has a damn fair point. Tyreke was on our losing team for 4 seasons, I have not seen him EVER berate a coach or complain the way DeMarcus does.

Apparently Sam Amick called Cousins a vampire in the morning show today.

Sam Amick has real legit sources around the NBA. Napear hangs out with the team 24/7. If they're saying his teammates are tired of him, I am going to believe them. What purpose do they have to make crap up? Can anyone answer this? Grant doesn't need to promote his show, guy has tons of money in his pocket. Amick is a very well-respected NBA journalist. ALSO, both are KINGS FANS.

Are people at the point where they discredit others because it doesn't fit the narrative they want it to fit?


If Cousins is indeed creating this toxic-ass environment for not only the FO, but his teammates, I think he needs to be gone along with Karl. Sacramento doesn't need that crap.
 
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He has a damn fair point. Tyreke was on our losing team for 4 seasons, I have not seen him EVER berate a coach or complain the way DeMarcus does.

Apparently Sam Amick called Cousins a vampire in the morning show today.

Sam Amick has real legit sources around the NBA. Napear hangs out with the team 24/7. If they're saying his teammates are tired of him, I am going to believe them. What purpose do they have to make poopoo up? Can anyone answer this? Grant doesn't need to promote his show, guy has tons of money in his pocket. Amick is a very well-respected NBA journalist. ALSO, both are KINGS FANS.

Are people at the point where they discredit others because it doesn't fit the narrative they want it to fit?


If Cousins is indeed creating this toxic-ass environment for not only the FO, but his teammates, I think he needs to be gone along with Karl. Sacramento doesn't need that poopoo.
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If Cousins truly creates a toxic environment he will be gone. I may be not the biggest fan of GM Vlade, but the guy knows how important team chemistry is.
And Napear has the same reason to make something up about Cousins as every other fan of this franchise - he is tired of losing and needs a scapegoat.
In general sports media like to search for scapegoats, because it's much easier to write something about one particular person, which fits the long term narrative, than it is to actually search for valid reasons for the lack of success of this franchise.
 
whozit

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Are people at the point where they discredit others because it doesn't fit the narrative they want it to fit?


If Cousins is indeed creating this toxic-ass environment for not only the FO, but his teammates, I think he needs to be gone along with Karl. Sacramento doesn't need that poopoo.
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"If," the most powerful but meaningless word in the US dictionary. If true on all counts, then you look at it. I don't consider Karl front office. Vlade is front office and he is supporting him. Somebody else asked, 'where are the quotes from his teammates?' Legit question and one not answered. Now, is he part of the toxic-ass environment in terms of the coach? Yes. But where exactly does the blame for that lie? Both probably.

In terms of Sacramento not needing that 'poopoo,' you're right they don't. They don't need the defacto team spokesman ripping the team's players down as he has done repeatedly over his career. Despite him doing so often in a different venue, the fact he is the team announcer puts some "credence" rather than simply some hack giving his opinion on the radio.
 
Bricklayer

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Im Still Ballin said:
Mr. Napear's words speak for a lot of Kings fans.
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Mr. Napear's words have taught a lot of Kings fans to think, or rather not think.

People are such willing sheep I have pondered taking up demagoguery myself. Its not hard. Find a devil to point to, tell all the dim sots out there that THIS is the cause of all their problems, I have found evil, but I, your champion will vanquish it! Get them all lathered up, and send them off to burn out the evil while you take credit for it.

Works everytime because most people want simple answers and magic promises rather than the hard and confusing work actually involved.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Mr. Napear's words have taught a lot of Kings fans to think, or rather not think.

People are such willing sheep I have pondered taking up demagoguery myself. Its not hard. Find a devil to point to, tell all the dim sots out there that THIS is the cause of all their problems, I have found evil, but I, your champion will vanquish it! Get them all lathered up, and send them off to burn out the evil while you take credit for it.

Works everytime because most people want simple answers and magic promises rather than the hard and confusing work actually involved.
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To be honest you did exactly that with Pete last season and Karl this season...

You were right to some extent- but there was planty of "the bad guy is gone", "we will win this season", "never mind all the dumb biased media- we'll prove them wrong!" (also a classic demagoguery move) floating around this summer.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Mr. Napear's words have taught a lot of Kings fans to think, or rather not think.

People are such willing sheep I have pondered taking up demagoguery myself. Its not hard. Find a devil to point to, tell all the dim sots out there that THIS is the cause of all their problems, I have found evil, but I, your champion will vanquish it! Get them all lathered up, and send them off to burn out the evil while you take credit for it.

Works everytime because most people want simple answers and magic promises rather than the hard and confusing work actually involved.
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Brick, I respect the hell out of you and agree with a TON of what you say. BUT do you really not find at least some of what DMC does as tiresome? I for one just can't stand the way he acts towards officials especially when he is 100% incorrect about them. Even the times he's right, he's hurting his teammates.
 
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206Fan said:
Sam Amick has real legit sources around the NBA. Napear hangs out with the team 24/7. If they're saying his teammates are tired of him, I am going to believe them.
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I agree. When it comes to "sucking the air out of the team" - a lot of pro DeMarcus guys can show memes of him goofing with teammates, and articles where he's giving a car to a poor family or playing Santa - and mock the notion that he sucks the air out of the team.

But, sniff test - just gut feel from being at a lot of games and watching a lot of games - you can see and feel the toll DeMarcus' tantrums take on the rest of the team. you can see the eye rolls and slumped shoulders from the other players - I particularly feel like I've seen it a lot from Rudy, but also Ben, Marco, KK, etc. Who would NOT be worn down psychically by all that drama from such an in important person on the team.

I think GK has been a disappointment, but when he remarks about how the Spurs don't have a "one man ego show" it make sense to me.

It was weird how when DeMarcus was out on suspension the other day, Marco shot lights out. Now I'm not taking up for Marco over DeMarcus but it was just a weird coincidence.

And as I was driving to that Orlando game I thought "you know, it is kind of a relief that there will not be drama on the court... there won't be the massive wind-suck happening tonight. Yes we got clobbered without the talent on the floor, but if DeMarcus' talent was replaced 75% in a deal... I would not quit the Kings over it.
 
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King Baller said:
read a couple of these:

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/23/8830539/george-karl-snake-demarcus-cousins-history

http://uproxx.com/dimemag/george-ka...ony-andre-iguodala-jr-smith-demarcus-cousins/

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...-many-players-have-called-george-karl-a-snake

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...-anthony-says-he-doesnt-produce-championships

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...erstand-Responsibilities-Of-Being-Best-Player
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Not a pro-Karl guy,

But even if they were all talking about Karl (which we'll never know) if the guys criticizing you are JR Smith, Ty Lawson and Carmelo Anthony I won't hold that against you :) (Iggy is a different story, but he said that because of something that happened after he finished playing for Karl- who said he was a "mole" for GS).
 
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