yeah, now they just take notes from Joey Crawford's 'Combative Officiating'. Oh...wait, he's suspended now, too, my bad.inside info: nba refs use game 6 of the 2002 WCFs to show new refs how not to ref. straight from one of the horses mouth
Let's take a look at the foul attempts:
Game one - Kings 17, Lakers 22
Game two - Kings 38, Lakers 25
Game three- Kings 35,Lakers 15
Game four - Kings 26, Lakers 27
Game five - Kings 33, Lakers 23
Game six - Kings 25, Lakers 40
Game seven- Kings 30, Lakers 33
Kings Total - 204
Lakers Total - 185
Great observations, guys. The refs killed the Kings.
What would the Laker fans be saying if they were up on the Kings in Sacramento in game 7 and they got called for 27 fouls in the 4th in a 3-3 series?
Questionable calls are different then giving a team a truck load of freethrows.We were pissed when the refs gave the ball back to the Kings after Webber hit it out of bounds at the end of Gm5. 3-2 Lakers lead down the sink. See how those what-ifs go both ways?
We were pissed when the refs gave the ball back to the Kings after Webber hit it out of bounds at the end of Gm5. 3-2 Lakers lead down the sink. See how those what-ifs go both ways?
if the shoe fits....Wow. Some of you not only nurse a grudge, you actually feed and water it, give it designer clothes, nifty new shoes, and lots of bling.
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And we were pissed in game 4 when the refs counted a Samaki Walker 3 during half time, which would've made the Horry 3 impossible.
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Questionable calls are different then giving a team a truck load of freethrows.
Well, LA got it back in 2004 and most of the same fans who felt Sac got cheated were changing up and saying that the Pistons were being more aggressive. +60 FTAs in a 5 gm series, biggest disparity since the early 70s. 111-41 advantage at one point.
It is like the secret that is whispered into another persons ear, the truth gets distorted after every such post little by little
Bottom line is that the pee-poor officiating in Game 6 of the 2002 WCF is the reason the Kings lost that game, and there's no way anyone who watched the game, much less the series, can honestly say otherwise. There's no comparison with the blown call in Game 5 that gave the Kings the ball late in the game; there's no comparison with the 2004 Finals; there no "the Kings choked in Game 7". Bottom line: the pee-poor officiating in Game 6, an elimination game, cost the Kings the game.
It finally dawned on me... I have no problem with any of this statement above. It's true. Game 6 was decided by poor officiating. The only time I get upset is when Kings fans change it to "The pee-poor officiating in Game 6 cost the Kings the series." I'll always remember the overtime of game 7. That's what cost us the series. Regardless of whatever had happened before, the Kings came back and played some of the best ball I'd seen in a long time in game 7. They just forgot to come out for the O/T...
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I try to make sure that I always make that little exception, even though I think it's still accurate to say that the poor officiating cost them the series. If they won Game 6, there would have been no Game 7, so...
I mean, you're right about Game 7, and there's no way I will argue with you there, but there shouldn't have been a Game 7.
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I try to make sure that I always make that little exception, even though I think it's still accurate to say that the poor officiating cost them the series. If they won Game 6, there would have been no Game 7, so...
I mean, you're right about Game 7, and there's no way I will argue with you there, but there shouldn't have been a Game 7.
No it's not.
I made the mistake of saying they got called for 27 fouls, when I meant that the Lakers shot 27 free throws. Either way, there was a huge disparity in the final quarter of an elimination game that was inconsistent with the way the rest of the series was called. A bigger disparity than even Game 5 that Laker fans such as yourself like to refer to as justification for the debacle that was Game 6. And, by the way, the 10 more free throws the Kings got in Game 5 is nothing compared to the 20 more the Lakers got in the fourth quarter alone of Game 6.
Those are the facts. Nothing distorted, handed down, twisted, embellished, exaggerated, etc. In fact, see for yourself. Here's the link to the box score and the play-by-play.
And as for the comparison to the Pistons/Lakers series two years later, there really isn't one to be made. The Pistons attacked, played physical and took the Lakers out of their game plan, and as a result, the Lakers couldn't make anything happen. Yes, there was a free throw disparity, but the big difference - and the point, really - is that there was a disparity in every game, including the game the Pistons lost. They shot more free throws in almost every quarter, because they were more aggressive in every quarter and they kept the Lakers from doing what they wanted to do offensively. Yet and still, they never had a 27 free throw quarter in that entire series, even with the disparity. And especially not in an elimination game.
Bottom line is that the pee-poor officiating in Game 6 of the 2002 WCF is the reason the Kings lost that game, and there's no way anyone who watched the game, much less the series, can honestly say otherwise. There's no comparison with the blown call in Game 5 that gave the Kings the ball late in the game; there's no comparison with the 2004 Finals; there no "the Kings choked in Game 7". Bottom line: the pee-poor officiating in Game 6, an elimination game, cost the Kings the game.
Any reasoning basketball fan that watched that game saw it and knows it, and I saw it with my own eyes. And there's no sorry and condescending 'game of telephone' line of so-called reasoning that's going to convince me otherwise, especially not from a Laker fan.
You're thinking or 'treating' this like a coach would and not a realist...sure they had ANOTHER opportunity to win it...but the series was won in game 5 IMO. Both Game 4 and Game 6 were gifts to the Lakers that gave them extended life to even reach game 7 and get 'lucky' that the Kings forgot how to shoot FT's in overtime. Game 4 from Bob and Samaki's two 3 points to end the game and the other during halftime...then game 6 to the officials. So while they STILL could have won the series handicapped TWO games...they didn't because that's nearly insurmountable to come back from losing a 4 game swing like that in a series.But there was a game 7. Now if game 6 had eliminated the Kings, my rage would know no bounds. But it didn't. They had to go out on the court and keep focus on the now, and they did ... for 48 minutes. Unfortunately, the game lasted for 53.
So I shake my fists in anger at the fates, but I cannot blame the officials for the final outcome.
But that honestly doesn't make it hurt any less, which is why I've chosen to move on. If you cannot change the thing that hurts, you just have to move past it...
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thanks for the play by play very helpful
(10:47) [LAL 79-75] O'Neal Jump Shot: Made
(9:02) [LAL 82-79] Bryant Turnaround Jump: Made
(7:29) [LAL 86-81] Bryant Jump Shot: Made
(6:51) [LAL 88-83] O'Neal Jump Shot: Made
0:52) [LAL 101-98] O'Neal Reverse Layup: Made
Lakers made 5 shots in that last period and they outscored the kings 31-27 in that period (thanks for the box score)
If my math is right, that is 10 points they made of shots made and that would lead me to believe they had 21 points of free throws (NOT 27 - just because someone started saying it, it doesnt become the truth )
At the 7.37 mark there was a clear path foul on Jackson, I dont think you can argue about those 2 FTs on a clear path foul
Last 6 FTs were attempted by the lakers on intentional fouls in the last 20 secs of the game
If you take away those 8 FTs which clearly explain for themselves then you have 13 FTs that are left where you can contend about them and say that the lakers got some extra 13 FTs from the referees. Maybe if you watch the replay then you could provide some insight into whether those FTs are deserved or not.
You're thinking or 'treating' this like a coach would and not a realist...sure they had ANOTHER opportunity to win it...but the series was won in game 5 IMO. Both Game 4 and Game 6 were gifts to the Lakers that gave them extended life to even reach game 7 and get 'lucky' that the Kings forgot how to shoot FT's in overtime. Game 4 from Bob and Samaki's two 3 points to end the game and the other during halftime...then game 6 to the officials. So while they STILL could have won the series handicapped TWO games...they didn't because that's nearly insurmountable to come back from losing a 4 game swing like that in a series.
...nearly insurmountable to come back from losing a 4 game swing like that in a series...
If my math is right, that is 10 points they made of shots made and that would lead me to believe they had 21 points of free throws (NOT 27 - just because someone started saying it, it doesnt become the truth )
(11:34) [LAL 76-75] O'Neal Free Throw 1 of 2 (30 PTS)Superman said:All you have to do is look at the play by play and count the Laker free throws.
VF21, I don't buy the "they should have won it in Game 7" argument.
The Kings went into game 7 with the knowledge that the officials were working against them. Even though they knew they would get different officials at game 7 and be at home that is still a heavy mental load to overcome. Players and teams psych each other out all the time, it's part of the game and players know how to deal with it. Officials are supposed to be impartial. It's like going to court and finding out the judge has taken contributions from your adversary. It gave the Lakers an unfair advantage.
No it doesn't. If you want to look past game 6, fine. But that's just your method of looking at the series. I think somebody who wants to point to game 6 as the key is completely valid. Heck, if somebody wants to look at game 4 as the key to the Kings losing the series I'd buy that too. If they hadn't blown such a huge lead in game 4, they would have won the series. Just because they had a chance in game 7 doesn't mean that game 4 was not important.This continual pointing of fingers at the officials completely ignores the bottom-line truth.
bibbinator said:The Kings went into game 7 with the knowledge that the officials were working against them. Even though they knew they would get different officials at game 7 and be at home that is still a heavy mental load to overcome. Players and teams psych each other out all the time, it's part of the game and players know how to deal with it. Officials are supposed to be impartial. It's like going to court and finding out the judge has taken contributions from your adversary. It gave the Lakers an unfair advantage.
Game 5 - Ball goes out of bounds of Webbers knee, he was the only one around that area and the refs gave the ball to the kings. Lakers were leading with a few seconds to go, if the lakers had the ball kings could only foul and then try a shot with a possible 3 point lead for the lakers.
Instead ......
Side note - Shaq fouled out game 5 with only one FTA all game long.
That game is not very well remembered by fans of both sides since the lakers won the series, if not it may not be game 6 that everyone would be talking about now.