Done Deal - Bulls and Kings - Salmons and Miller Traded

[rainmaker]

Because we're rebuilding and this adds nothing to our rebuilding effort. Nocioni is an ugly contract, and a worthless player to a rebuilding team. Hawes could've gotten more PT just by benching Miller, who apparently wasn't going to garner anything valuable in a trade anyways so it wouldn't hurt to bench him.

I would much rather have Nocioni on a rebuilding team than either brad or salmons. It free's up $13 mill this summer and we still have other expiring contracts and most likely a top 3 pick in the draft. I would rather have gooden come off the books in july rather than have brad on the bench pissing and moaning the next year and a half.

 

[beb0p]

Headline:
The Kings Acquired Jeff Green, First Round Pick (No Protection) and Expiring from the Thunder for John Salmons and Kenny Thomas!

Like this kind of deal was ever going to happen.

 

[NoBonus]

You must be a John Salmons fan. I cannot stress how much we will NOT miss John Salmons. The most selfish player I have ever witnessed.

Brad Miller was serviceable, but the negatives outweighed the positives incrementally as the season progressed.

This is not a horrible trade. Change is good. If anything, this trade signals front office disdain for veterans with zero leadership and less passion. Nothing against either of those guys, personally, but professionally as ball players. ......

GOOD BYE and GOOD RIDDANCE.

Word.

 

[CPR]

Does anyone think Petrie and the Maloofs are delusional enough to think that they can plug Gooden and Nocioni into the starting lineup and that this team will be significantly improved or even good?

Now that people are reminding me about Petrie's established affinity for Gooden, I'm starting to get really nervous that this is another one of his attempts to detour from the full rebuild and head toward a plan of trying to back into the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed next year.

I don't think there is any way that more people are going to show up and pay to watch a team play with these guys included. I wonder if that's somehow part of the larger plan along with the immediate cost savings next year, though.

If there is not a follow up trade this is going to be scary.

 

[asakkings]

so did the maloofs force this trade to save money this year in a bad economy thinking down the line the economy will pick up and they can afford nocioni. I still cant believe this trade took place. I wish i had jumped on another team's bandwagon.

 

[Gary]

kings have always wanted gooden.

I like nocioni and gooden. atleast gooden can rebound.

with no roster spots and we trade 4 for 2.....makes me think Douby and Moore for MacCants will follow.

You bring up something interesting.. Seemed like any trade rumor that has Drew Gooden attached also had the Kings "very interested" in the last few years.

This bring up something that I had said earlier.. Last year Gooden played well starting about 70% of the games in Chicago averaging more than 10ppg and 10rpg and a block a game. What I am afraid of is that Natt will give him too many minutes and might start him if JT slumps. Then comes the offseason and Petrie offers him a contract, and then Gooden goes back to his 13ppg 7rpg type play. don't say Petrie is too smart to do that.. Look at Bonzi, and Beno..

 

[John Galt]

scary thing, I have Gooden on a fantasy team and have carried him thru the injury because he is a pretty steady double-double when healthy.

why scary? if he got minutes he could imitate a very good player well enough to throw everything out of whack.

I hope he stays hurt now and is nothing but an expiring deal. If he was staying with the Bulls I was hoping he would get healthy and start giving me the 10 boards a game with good FG%

 

[Henkel]

Headline:
The Kings Acquired Jeff Green, First Round Pick (No Protection) and Expiring from the Thunder for John Salmons and Kenny Thomas!

Like this kind of deal was ever going to happen.

Who said it was? Salmons for an expiring Mason and a one of their late first rounders was rumored. I think you would see a far different reception to a trade like that, but whatever keep overstating things it's really helping you make your point.

 

[beb0p]

Then comes the offseason and Petrie offers him a contract, and then Gooden goes back to his 13ppg 7rpg type play. don't say Petrie is too smart to do that.. Look at Bonzi, and Beno..

But those signings were before Madoff took hundreds of millions from the Maloof and flushed it down the toilet... supposedly.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I would much rather have Nocioni on a rebuilding team than either brad or salmons. It free's up $13 mill this summer and we still have other expiring contracts and most likely a top 3 pick in the draft. I would rather have gooden come off the books in july rather than have brad on the bench pissing and moaning the next year and a half.

Salmons=shorter contract and therefore easier to move=better rebuilding chip. So no, Salmons is better to have in a rebuilding effort than Nocioni.

Cap space gained this summer is not significant enough to make an impact. You never know, but it's more than likely insignificant.

Brad pissing and moaning is inconsequential to the rebuilding effort. Hell, waive him if it's that bad, it wouldn't make a lick of difference.

 

[Andriod_KiNg]

Maybe we just overvalued our guys. I wont miss Brad Miller at all, he had become one of the softest players in the history of the NBA. Salmons, good player but man was he greedy some times.

 

[sidney]

Headline:
The Kings Acquired Jeff Green, First Round Pick (No Protection) and Expiring from the Thunder for John Salmons and Kenny Thomas!

Like this kind of deal was ever going to happen.

More like:

Kings acquire Desmond Mason (Expiring) and Denver's 1st round 09 pick for John Salmons

and

Kings acquire Malik Rose (expiring) and Tim Thomas (expiring 2010) for Brad Miller

 

[Gary]

scary thing, I have Gooden on a fantasy team and have carried him thru the injury because he is a pretty steady double-double when healthy.

why scary? if he got minutes he could imitate a very good player well enough to throw everything out of whack.

I hope he stays hurt now and is nothing but an expiring deal. If he was staying with the Bulls I was hoping he would get healthy and start giving me the 10 boards a game with good FG%

What's wrong with Gooden anyway? I ask because it seems when he gets a lot of minutes he puts up good numbers... Plus he's an excellent FT shooter. Does he not mesh well with others? I have seen him play quite a bit but I never got a fans reaction to him on why he's traded all the time or in trade talks.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Does anyone think Petrie and the Maloofs are delusional enough to think that they can plug Gooden and Nocioni into the starting lineup and that this team will be significantly improved or even good?

Now that people are reminding me about Petrie's established affinity for Gooden, I'm starting to get really nervous that this is another one of his attempts to detour from the full rebuild and head toward a plan of trying to back into the playoffs as a 7th or 8th seed next year.

I don't think there is any way that more people are going to show up and pay to watch a team play with these guys included. I wonder if that's somehow part of the larger plan along with the immediate cost savings next year, though.

If there is not a follow up trade this is going to be scary.

That 8th seed is up for grabs!

 

[beb0p]

More like:

Kings acquire Desmond Mason (Expiring) and Denver's 1st round 09 pick for John Salmons

and

Kings acquire Malik Rose (expiring) and Tim Thomas (expiring 2010) for Brad Miller

Then you need to adjust your expectation. Those deals Never would have happened.

 

[kupman]

I am completely dumbfounded and lost.

I was hoping that we were going to land Amare this week and instead we get Nocioni, Sam I am and Gooden?

 

[Bibby_10]

I hate to say it but its really come down to this.

kupchak > Petrie

 

[Amory]

I am completely dumbfounded and lost.

I was hoping that we were going to land Amare this week and instead we get Nocioni, Sam I am and Gooden?

I never saw us getting Amare, but Nocioni and Gooden? I just don't understand.

Now, is Gooden going to start over JT? I would think so but I hope not.

 

[Heuge]

Love the Diago part.

 

[Sarunas]

I think Sam Cassell, Drew Gooden, Andres Nocioni, and Cedric Simmons were the LAST players i would've thought wed get when all these trade talks started..

 

[Superman]

I may have preferred no move rather than taking back Nocioni's contract, but I am glad we moved Brad Miller.

 

[CruzDude]

Well, lets see. We get two rebounder-bangers in Nocioni and Gooden, major upside guy in Diogu (7-4 wingspan for 6-9 and 250!!!) who is real hustler and potential rebounder and unknown in Simmons in whom a number of teams had expressed interest. What does that all mean??? Beats me. Gooden becomes the 5 with Hawes I guess. The others are a confusing array. Other than cap relief next year hard to guess as 2 are youngsters.

Here is a Cedric Simmons draft report from 2006.

Simmons.
Wingspan: 7-4
Standing reach: 9-1
Maximum vertical jump: 35 inches

Positives: A big-time athlete with a body that's beginning to fill out. Unbelievable shot blocker. Explosive leaper. Excellent rebounder. Long arms give him a chance to be a center in the pros. Has put on quite a bit of muscle. Shows a lot of toughness in the paint, especially on the defensive end. Great in the open court.

Negatives: A very raw player on the offensive end. No real shooting touch to speak of. Gets most of his points via dunks.

My vote on this at this point: 5 out of 10.

 

[kennadog]

We've been shopping Brad for at least two years. From all the rumors the Kings were actively seeking deals. My bet is there wasn't better offers for Brad. It could well be argued that we should have stood pat then. I'll guarantee that if no moves had been made, everybody here would be just as upset about that.

It's easy to jump all over the Maloofs for cost-cutting, but losing $25 million plus this season isn't chump change. As Voisons' article the other day pointed out, they've been cutting operations costs as much as they can. I'd bet it isn't the only money-losing business for the Maloofs right now.

Add to that the fact that the salary cap and luxury tax caps will go down next year and an economic albatross named Arco Arena and it's at least understandable why the ownership is financially hunkering down, trying to get through the current economic disaster.

Am I excited or happy about this trade? No. Am I shocked they may be settling for cost-cutting? No. They always had to deal with a small market, practically no corporate base and a crappy arena. Now they have a very hard-hit housing market, furloughed and probably laid off workers, and worst attendance in the league. You can ask for a better product on the floor, but how does it get paid for?

All I'm really hoping for right now is some hope for an arena and keeping the Kings in Sacramento (not a concern for many of you, I know). Then I'll worry about major improvement to the team, when the economy starts to turn around. The NBA needs to make a "market adjustment," too. The CBA makes that almost impossible right now. I'm not holding my breathe to see if players will voluntarily help out by giving up money already guaranteed by their contracts.

 

[Henkel]

Then you need to adjust your expectation. Those deals Never would have happened.

Like you have any idea what was available. I'm not going to argue over what the Kings could of gotten because thats an unknown. Regardless of speculation most people are upset about the particulars of this trade. I would take no trade rather then take on a bad contract for nothing.

 

[nbrans]

ok, thinking about this further there are really only three logical takeaways

1) Petrie likes Gooden and Nocioni and thinks this was a talent upgrade. I seem to recall him trying hard to get Gooden using Mike Bibby as bait, so maybe he likes the guy. Personally I think that if he believes this he might need to be put down.

2) We're going to use the extra cap room in another deal or to sign a free agent. There's some buffer room now under the 09/10 cap to take on some salary for a draft pick (say, to Washington), to make another trade, or to sign a free agent. We'll see. This still is a long term drag because Nocioni is on the books until 2012, Kenny Thomas style.

3) This is a short term salary dump at the expense of the future and it was the best the front office could come up with.


I'm going with #3.

 

[sidney]

Then you need to adjust your expectation. Those deals Never would have happened.

It is not unreasonable to get a late 20s pick for an 18PPG 48%FG 5M/salary player

The Brad for half expiring crap is not unreasonable either although it may have not been in the cards. If not, just wait.

In 14 months we would have been 100% free of his contract. Now we have 7M/year for two more years after that.

Complete waste. How in the world can you think this is a good deal

 

[Sptsjunkie]

ok, thinking about this further there are really only three logical takeaways

1) Petrie likes Gooden and Nocioni and thinks this was a talent upgrade. I seem to recall him trying hard to get Gooden using Mike Bibby as bait, so maybe he likes the guy. Personally I think that if he believes this he might need to be put down.

2) We're going to use the extra cap room in another deal or to sign a free agent. There's some buffer room now under the 09/10 cap to take on some salary for a draft pick (say, to Washington), to make another trade, or to sign a free agent. We'll see. This still is a long term drag because Nocioni is on the books until 2012, Kenny Thomas style.

3) This is a short term salary dump at the expense of the future and it was the best the front office could come up with.


I'm going with #3.

I tend to be on number three too. It will be interesting to see what happens this offseason. If we pursue a major free agent and use our cap space to add talent, this may be a trade that Petrie actually wanted. However, if we stand pat and do nothing, then this reeks of Maloofs saving money today. Always too bad when decisions have to come down to finances over improving the product on the floor.

 

[Kingster]

People wanted to move Miller and Salmons and that's apparently being done. (Thanks for the post, Joel.)

As KMart23 has pointed out, this means more minutes for the kids, also something people around here have been clamoring for. The whining is just silly IMHO...

And I don't have a real problem with any of it. It did move Miller and Salmons and got us three expirings.

Why do you say that? It looks to me like these guys are going to be taking time from the kids.

 

[Henkel]

ok, thinking about this further there are really only three logical takeaways

1) Petrie likes Gooden and Nocioni and thinks this was a talent upgrade. I seem to recall him trying hard to get Gooden using Mike Bibby as bait, so maybe he likes the guy. Personally I think that if he believes this he might need to be put down.

2) We're going to use the extra cap room in another deal or to sign a free agent. There's some buffer room now under the 09/10 cap to take on some salary for a draft pick (say, to Washington), to make another trade, or to sign a free agent. We'll see. This still is a long term drag because Nocioni is on the books until 2012, Kenny Thomas style.

3) This is a short term salary dump at the expense of the future and it was the best the front office could come up with.


I'm going with #3.

Thats how i see it. We will see what happens this off season but I'm not expecting much.

 

[Nighthawk1]

I wonder if we'll see the douby/moore for McCants trade now just to get our roster down... Simmons is interesting, i think he was starting to get the 'bust' title, lets see how it goes with him for the rest of the season if he even gets playing time lol...

With these moves I just pray Donte sees the court for 5-10m each game now