Nononono... I wouldn't be upset. Actually, I would be more pleased because Kings could get high pick in this year and next year's draft and get FA in 2010.
Done Deal - Bulls and Kings - Salmons and Miller Traded
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Nononono... I wouldn't be upset. Actually, I would be more pleased because Kings could get high pick in this year and next year's draft and get FA in 2010.
Ryle
Starter
Why am I the only one that seems to like this trade?
Miller's contract is off the books and Nocioni's is only one year longer than Salmons and it's still a pretty tradeable deal. He scores 10 points a night on 8 shots.
It's not that bad people and you at least need to give it some time. I would have traded Brad for a bag of chips if I could as it opens up time for Hawes at least.
Miller's contract is off the books and Nocioni's is only one year longer than Salmons and it's still a pretty tradeable deal. He scores 10 points a night on 8 shots.
It's not that bad people and you at least need to give it some time. I would have traded Brad for a bag of chips if I could as it opens up time for Hawes at least.
kingsnation
All-Star
C'mon, can't you see it...this is NOW a championship caliber team.
And you honestly thought that ANY trade made this year was going to all of a sudden turn this 11-43 disaster into the Celtics???
Be realistic.
Kings Faithful
Starter
Why are people so down on Gooden? He averages more points and rebounds than Brad and is only 27.
nbrans
All-Star
Nocioni does not have a tradeable deal. At all. I think you'll see in the trade analysis that people are shocked Chicago was able to move him at all. He's 29, he is signed for this year plus three more at a time when just about every team in the league is looking to shed contracts. Meanwhile, he's been very steadily on the decline, is barely shooting over 40% and his rebounding numbers are way down. Maybe the last time people saw him was when he was in the playoffs a couple of years back and was tough, but he hasn't played like that since. That was a loooong time ago.
This was a salary dump, pure and simple, and not a very good one at that. Whether it's a net positive or net negative depends on what moves follow it up. But right now I think it's impossible to argue that this trade is in any way a net positive move for a rebuild.
Nighthawk1
Starter
On the Ruffin/Diogu part....
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3916703 2nd paragraph
"The Kings would then turn around and ship Ruffin to the Portland Trail Blazers for forward Ike Diogu and cash considerations, sources told ESPN's Chris Broussard."
is why people think we're getting Diogu for Ruffin..
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3916703 2nd paragraph
"The Kings would then turn around and ship Ruffin to the Portland Trail Blazers for forward Ike Diogu and cash considerations, sources told ESPN's Chris Broussard."
is why people think we're getting Diogu for Ruffin..
sidney
Starter
He'll be here for 2 months and his contract will expire. A year from now no one will hardly remember he was here. It''ll be like getting Tyrone Lue last year. Who cares
Kings Faithful
Starter
Best part of this trade. Now we get to really see what he can do for the future of this organization. No more Brad mentoring him in his lazy anti-rebound hissy fit ways.
KingsCitizen
Starter
This is a definite Petrie Move.
At first everyone hates it! And could never understand all the logic for the trade. But if we look at the bright side of it. Yeah! There is a bright side for this trade even for Sactown.
I'm a fan of Nocioni and I think he will be much better forward than Salmons. Salmons is a SG who was forced to play SF since he don't play well off the bench. But Noc is a team player, hustle guy. So I don't really see why he would be such a big problem. Contract-wise, 7.5M is a pretty movable contract for a guy already in his prime. But I think Petrie likes him and he will be part of the team which I expect to have a good run till 2013.
We moved Miller who is the only threat for JT and Hawes minutes for a lot of expiring and got real forward for Salmons.
It's basically a Miller dump and a Noc for Salmons trade. We will still suck to get that top pick but with less uninterested players on the court.
At first everyone hates it! And could never understand all the logic for the trade. But if we look at the bright side of it. Yeah! There is a bright side for this trade even for Sactown.
I'm a fan of Nocioni and I think he will be much better forward than Salmons. Salmons is a SG who was forced to play SF since he don't play well off the bench. But Noc is a team player, hustle guy. So I don't really see why he would be such a big problem. Contract-wise, 7.5M is a pretty movable contract for a guy already in his prime. But I think Petrie likes him and he will be part of the team which I expect to have a good run till 2013.
We moved Miller who is the only threat for JT and Hawes minutes for a lot of expiring and got real forward for Salmons.
It's basically a Miller dump and a Noc for Salmons trade. We will still suck to get that top pick but with less uninterested players on the court.
Agreed 100%. Also, Salmons had a player option in 2010 and I'm sure he would use it.
Dumb,dumb,dumb,dumb.
SacKings384
Starter
I like the headline picture on Yahoo
nbrans
All-Star
I like the headline picture on Yahoo
Sums up my response.
kingsnation
All-Star
If this was the best deal possible, then we should haven't done it.
...Fire Petrie, play the kids, trade miller and salmons....
None of it would have stopped...
Except it would look like this: "Why didn't Geoff trade anyone?"
"How come we only got Sam the Alien?"
"Why aren't we starting Hawes?"
Rockmeister
All-Star
Of course not. I was trying to be funny and sarcastic at the same time. Sorry, you couldn't see that.And you honestly thought that ANY trade made this year was going to all of a sudden turn this 11-43 disaster into the Celtics???
Be realistic.
nbrans
All-Star
He's always seemed pretty good to me whenever he got time, but he's an undersized PF, and we all know how useful those are.
barndoggie
G-League
Salmons has a 15 percent trade kicker in his contract that requires the team that acquires him to pay him a bonus of nearly $2 million and add that figure to its payroll
this is the reason we probably couldn't get much more for him
this is the reason we probably couldn't get much more for him
Sptsjunkie
Starter
My trade analysis
The Good
The Bad
Verdict – Honestly, it’s not as terrible as I originally thought. Getting Diogu at least gives the deal some upsides and it will look even better if we can actually land a free agent this off-season or acquire a player with the extra money we will have. However, I still have to give the trade a D+ for now, because I have no faith this trade wasn’t made to save the Maloofs some money today. I also think we would have been better off trading Salmons for some better value and just holding onto Miller and letting his contract expire.
My only caveat here is that I know there will be plenty of people ready to blame Petrie for this deal. However, looking at the two deals we have made so far and with the financial information we have learned about the Kings losing money and the Maloofs losing money in their other businesses and the Madoff scheme, I think this reeks of a money saving move by them. There is a very real possibility that Petrie did not have the option of hanging onto these players to let their contracts expire.
Trade Analysis
The Good
- Eliminate two cancers – Salmons and Miller were counterproductive to our team and setting bad examples for our youth. Gooden likely won’t be a coach or positive role model, but he won’t be a cancer. Nocioni is limited as a player, but he does player hard and should be a positive influence on our younger players.
- Cap Space in ’09 – This may be wrong as the Maloofs may decide not to spend any of the money, but we will have room under the cap to sign a free agent this off-season competing with less teams that we would in 2010.
- Diogu – I liked him in the past and he does have some upside. While there are certainly limitations to statistics like PER, Diogu registered a 16 PER last season, which is not bad for a 24 year old. He’s gotten lost in Portland’s glut of big men this season, but he can score and rebound well, though he won’t solve any of our defensive woes.
- Minutes for the kids – Gooden and Noc probably get about 45-50 combined minutes a game, while Salmons and Miller got 60+. We can only hope those minutes go to Green, JT and Hawes.
The Bad
- We lose cap flex beyond 2009 – We now have more money committed to marginal players beyond 2010 which was supposed to be our year of redemption. We might really miss that after we get two lottery picks the next two year and want to shape our role players around them.
- No picks and limited upside young players – Diogu looks like he has some potential, but still an overall disappointing batch of young players considering we did not get long term cap relief either. Cederic Simmons looks like our new Jamal Sampson.
Verdict – Honestly, it’s not as terrible as I originally thought. Getting Diogu at least gives the deal some upsides and it will look even better if we can actually land a free agent this off-season or acquire a player with the extra money we will have. However, I still have to give the trade a D+ for now, because I have no faith this trade wasn’t made to save the Maloofs some money today. I also think we would have been better off trading Salmons for some better value and just holding onto Miller and letting his contract expire.
My only caveat here is that I know there will be plenty of people ready to blame Petrie for this deal. However, looking at the two deals we have made so far and with the financial information we have learned about the Kings losing money and the Maloofs losing money in their other businesses and the Madoff scheme, I think this reeks of a money saving move by them. There is a very real possibility that Petrie did not have the option of hanging onto these players to let their contracts expire.
I'm pretty sure Gooden will be taking up the minutes Miller has left behind.
kingsnation
All-Star
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
Yeah, I have to wonder if Gooden has to play some center now--he certainly has the weight to be capable with non-thick set centers, but he's not much of a shotblocker and sometimes spaces out. But he's just a stopgap option, and hearing some injury about him?--not sure if he's going to play much.
Anyway, we now really have a glut at the big man positions--with Hawes, Thompson, Gooden, Diogu, Moore, Williams, Greene, KT and Simmons, we have nine players who can play either PF or C, but only one of them (Hawes) is over 7 feet. Realistically, I can see Thompson and Hawes averaging over over 30 minutes per night now, especially with Gooden injured, and Diogu can pick up another 20 between PF and C, while Williams and Moore split the remaining 16 depending on Natt's desire for playing older players or giving younger players a chance. I don't think Simmons stands much of a chance. (If Gooden comes back, give all of Diogu's minutes to Gooden, and Diogu and Moore probably split the remaining 16 instead).
As for Greene, I hope this means the start of his development at SF. Unless Natt develops a fetish for Nocioni, which is possible given his wayward logic, we should solely concentrate on making Greene a pure shooter who can stretch the defense, and also advocate him as a cutter or player who can get offensive rebounds in his spare time. By moving Salmons, only Nocioni and Garcia are adept at playing small forward on this team, and I don't think Nocioni has quite the primacy that Salmons has. So Greene may get minutes here.
Anyway, we now really have a glut at the big man positions--with Hawes, Thompson, Gooden, Diogu, Moore, Williams, Greene, KT and Simmons, we have nine players who can play either PF or C, but only one of them (Hawes) is over 7 feet. Realistically, I can see Thompson and Hawes averaging over over 30 minutes per night now, especially with Gooden injured, and Diogu can pick up another 20 between PF and C, while Williams and Moore split the remaining 16 depending on Natt's desire for playing older players or giving younger players a chance. I don't think Simmons stands much of a chance. (If Gooden comes back, give all of Diogu's minutes to Gooden, and Diogu and Moore probably split the remaining 16 instead).
As for Greene, I hope this means the start of his development at SF. Unless Natt develops a fetish for Nocioni, which is possible given his wayward logic, we should solely concentrate on making Greene a pure shooter who can stretch the defense, and also advocate him as a cutter or player who can get offensive rebounds in his spare time. By moving Salmons, only Nocioni and Garcia are adept at playing small forward on this team, and I don't think Nocioni has quite the primacy that Salmons has. So Greene may get minutes here.
Bibby_10
Bench
It wasn't supposed to be an insult. I just hate giving credit to any part of the Laker organization.
perezident
G-League
you guys are scaring me. You guys are making believe that you actually thought GP was going to get some great deal done at the deadline! I mean c'mon look at the history of players he got at the deadline. Only one name stands out for me right now; even though he was an expiring but c'mon POT?????
Hmm i really don't know what to say about Petrie; why is it that we couldnt get at least a PICK in a deal of this magnitude! With the artest trade we got a pick and a prospect. And if u ask me, Bmiller+Salmons>>>>> Artest filler.
Our only hopes are (according to my sources) something is bruing about Douby Beno and Mikki going to Minny. I'm not sure who the players we'd be getting for sure, but I heard him mention the names Telfair and McCants. Stay tuned......
Hmm i really don't know what to say about Petrie; why is it that we couldnt get at least a PICK in a deal of this magnitude! With the artest trade we got a pick and a prospect. And if u ask me, Bmiller+Salmons>>>>> Artest filler.
Our only hopes are (according to my sources) something is bruing about Douby Beno and Mikki going to Minny. I'm not sure who the players we'd be getting for sure, but I heard him mention the names Telfair and McCants. Stay tuned......
RIP miyagi
G-League
Sacramento has become the home of undersized, under achieving big men: Simmons, Diogu, drew gooden and Shelden Williams. TIGHT!!!!
Rockmeister
All-Star
Yea, I said its a bad trade and just looking at the new lineup, I just have to laugh. Why is that misleading? By the way, I NEVER said Kings will make the playoffs at all ever this season and why you thought that, I'll never know.Sorry, must have been misled by a earilier post of yours...
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