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mcsluggo
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I really like the way Webber handled Afghanistan, at least early on. But why in the hell did he let all those poor innocent Haitians die last month, that was just simply a selfish bastardly thing to do. Oh well, I'm sure Bostonians are glad he finally let the (red)Sox win a World Series. I just hope he chooses correctly in this upcoming pres election... the stakes are high.
No King threw his body on the floor more than Brad Miller.sloter said:
That's because some people are determined to make everything about Chris Webber...mcsluggo said:
PejaFanatic
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So true, and the least has to be...he's my boy, so I ain't gonna say his name.Mr. S£im Citrus said:
"Supposedly" according to whom?sloter said:
sloter
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We've been over this before and I'm not going to go back into it.
My goal was to defend Vlade against all those who are diminishing everything he did for this ballclub. I feel like there is very little uncertainty about why Vlade was looking unhappy towards the end of the season. You are all free to take your own guesses.
My goal was to defend Vlade against all those who are diminishing everything he did for this ballclub. I feel like there is very little uncertainty about why Vlade was looking unhappy towards the end of the season. You are all free to take your own guesses.
Well, I'm glad you're certain. I, however, am not certain why he was sulking, or whatever you want to call it, and I'm not predisposed to blaming one person's behavior on another person.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
A don't think there's much douobt that a number of Webb's comments in that interview were aimed at Vlade. On the other hand I also don't think that that fact has much of anything to do with his declining prodcutivity, other than the pouting scenario. And if Vlade was pouting, well shame on him. Doesn't wipe out his contributions over the years, but its still not professional. You're getting paid $12 mil the least you can do is bust your *** no matter how you're feeling about things.
Anyway, those comments were also clearly aimed at people who worked hard DURING THE OFFSEASON/PRACTICE. And obviously Vlade never did that. Regardless of the relative importance of offseason work, Vlade was simply guitlty ont hat count. He was a great contributor in spite of his offseason regimen, or lack thereof, not because of it.
As for he Brad Miller thing -- that's largely a bunch of bunk. I don't hink his omission of Brad in his list of hard workers was by accident. It was also the least possible criticism you can aim at somebody. "Oh no! You left me off your list!!!" And it may very well be true. Brad hasn't impressed me as a gym rat during the offseason either. Again, the importance of the gym rat thing may be being overblown, but if that is the charge, probably both guys are guilty as charged.
In any case, its more than a little ridiculous that a Vlade thread is about Webb. Vlade got old. Bottomline. Whatever other issues he had in his final year (and in retrospect it seems apparent that he may have lost his universal ambassador status a bit and started playing favorites for some reason) the fact of the matter is that he got OLD. That's why Miller was brought in in the first place. Vlade was fading. Even if we had resigned him we would have been coming off the bench at this stage, and we would have had severe problems with our interior defense with nary a shotblocker on the team barring a miraculous recovery by Webb. Vlade got old, he wasn't the player he had once been. Would have been nice to see him retire here, but egos entirely aside, it was going to be a bit problematic. And the difference is just a few years of declining production off the bench. It is not the huge deal people have made it out to be.
Anyway, those comments were also clearly aimed at people who worked hard DURING THE OFFSEASON/PRACTICE. And obviously Vlade never did that. Regardless of the relative importance of offseason work, Vlade was simply guitlty ont hat count. He was a great contributor in spite of his offseason regimen, or lack thereof, not because of it.
As for he Brad Miller thing -- that's largely a bunch of bunk. I don't hink his omission of Brad in his list of hard workers was by accident. It was also the least possible criticism you can aim at somebody. "Oh no! You left me off your list!!!" And it may very well be true. Brad hasn't impressed me as a gym rat during the offseason either. Again, the importance of the gym rat thing may be being overblown, but if that is the charge, probably both guys are guilty as charged.
In any case, its more than a little ridiculous that a Vlade thread is about Webb. Vlade got old. Bottomline. Whatever other issues he had in his final year (and in retrospect it seems apparent that he may have lost his universal ambassador status a bit and started playing favorites for some reason) the fact of the matter is that he got OLD. That's why Miller was brought in in the first place. Vlade was fading. Even if we had resigned him we would have been coming off the bench at this stage, and we would have had severe problems with our interior defense with nary a shotblocker on the team barring a miraculous recovery by Webb. Vlade got old, he wasn't the player he had once been. Would have been nice to see him retire here, but egos entirely aside, it was going to be a bit problematic. And the difference is just a few years of declining production off the bench. It is not the huge deal people have made it out to be.
JP_Lakerfan
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Hey Brick, are you trying to say Vlade got old? Just checking. 
sloter
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Yeah, Vlade should have taken part in Webber's more standard off-season basketball program - smoking weed. Or was that during the season ?
Anyhow, it is no secret that Vlade is well past his prime and that his personal stats are declining, but they were never really that impressive during his Kings days anyway. However you can't deny that the team didn't play well during some stretches last season mostly because of him when he averaged close to 7 or 8 APG (when he played significant minutes). In my opinion, he still was the key factor for the Kings until late in the season.
Anyhow, it is no secret that Vlade is well past his prime and that his personal stats are declining, but they were never really that impressive during his Kings days anyway. However you can't deny that the team didn't play well during some stretches last season mostly because of him when he averaged close to 7 or 8 APG (when he played significant minutes). In my opinion, he still was the key factor for the Kings until late in the season.
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So this is ANOTHER dig at Webber?sloter said:
Chris Webber did community service in Detroit, as outlined by the court. He also had time to keep fit, work on the rehab of his knee, etc.
Almost everyone who has seen Webb has commented on how fit he looks.
Why should it matter? Why does everything/everyone have to be compared to Webber?
You and I have been two of Vlade's biggest fans on this site.ILV said:
I don't think it's bashing to admit that Vlade is on the downside of his career. He's been in the NBA a long time and considering how often he also played during the summer for his national team, it was only a matter of when he would start to decline not if...
We got Brad Miller because the Maloofs, Petrie, Adelman, etc. knew they would soon have to replace Vlade as starting center. It might not be fair or what we want, but basketball is a young man's game.
If you asked Vlade, he would say the same thing. It's not bashing to face the inevitable...unfortunately.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well that charge had been laid on Vlade for years before he even left. When it was his turn to be the scapegoat, that was the excuse. Never really bought it. But I will say that I don't think he was desperate to win a championship. Not in the same way some guys are. I don't think he really felt he needed it for validation of his career.ILV said:
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scarlet_steph
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I totally agree. Vlade has done well for his career...although it would be nice if he won a championship...but it doesn't seem like the end all and be all for him.Bricklayer said:
scarlet_steph
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ILV said:
I miss you too! Don't worry, I'm back! I may not get to post as often, but I'll be around!
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