randymoss1881
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Cousins pg was Wall/Bledsoe
Darren Collison
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Dime Dropper
All-Star
Wall was the PG at Kentucky when Cousins was there.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Without getting into minutes played, there is a difference between the two. Collison has averaged 9.6 attempts per year for his career, while IT has averaged 11.6 attempts. However, they seem to be players headed in different directions. Last season Collison only averaged 8.7 attempts per game, while IT averaged 15.2 attempts per game. However, your right about Collison when you look at what he did in his first two years.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
John Wall was Cousins PG. Collison went to UCLA
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Man, Nikolizzle admitted the error several days ago but you guys all keep piling on! 
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Oh I get the concern about building a balanced team. And that's fair you're sick of trying to develop through the draft, but I frankly don't think Gay and Cousins are good enough to get by with the supporting cast in the post I was responding to. Cousins' usage is already near tops in the league, and Gay's efficiency has shown to take a tumble when he's asked to take too many shots. This team obviously needs an infusion of defensive, and likely veteran, talent, but I'm not sure keeping Gay, signing Collison and Sefalosha and calling it an offseason will be enough to even talk playoffs. I like those guys, and would be happy to add them on, but I think this team still needs more to take the next step and still have room to grow.
Gary
All-Star
Nikolizzle
G-League
Man, Nikolizzle admitted the error several days ago but you guys all keep piling on!
bajaden
Hall of Famer
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In order. 2010, Cousins and Wall. 2011, Brandon Knight. 2012, Marquis Teague. Teague came two years after Cousins and Wall.
TonyTouch21
G-League
Hallelujah!!!!! We have made an improvement! We took a step toward the playoffs!
Glenn
Hall of Famer
bajaden
Hall of Famer
On paper it sounds good. Collison is a decent to good defender that has put up solid numbers every year. I believe his career assist numbers are around 5 a game, and he's a solid shooter averaging around 46% overall for his career and around 37% from the three. While those numbers aren't earth shattering, they're not bad considering that his 3 pt average would put him as one of the leaders on the Kings, pre-Stauskas. And also considering, he's never really had a chance to stay in one place long enough to get familiar with his teammates and build up some chemistry. We may have overpaid for him, but if he turns out to be what were looking for, who cares? I'm sure since he's a UCLA guy, the Capt will like this deal.
Edit: By the way, he'll turn 27 years old in august. So were getting him in his prime.
Edit: By the way, he'll turn 27 years old in august. So were getting him in his prime.
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Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
But is he a Pizza Guy?
macadocious
Starter
With the deals being handed out because of the Salary cap increasing, we did not overpay. We got a solid PG for ~5MM per year. He plays decent defense, and if we want to get out and run he is fast. As a backup he was asked to take on more of a scoring PG role, I am certain we will ask him to take a facilitator role, so I expect him to be in the 6-8 asst per game if he is getting full starter minutes.
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Glenn
Hall of Famer
Does he have heart???
Boogie-havoc
Bench
How do people call Collison a good defender?
He's the same level defender as IT is, IE, not all that good.
Crystal clear downgrade over IT at the PG position, if this is really it and there are no additional moves to be made at the PG spot.
He's the same level defender as IT is, IE, not all that good.
Crystal clear downgrade over IT at the PG position, if this is really it and there are no additional moves to be made at the PG spot.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Entity
Hall of Famer
same level defender? most pgs scored over their average against IT last year. ask kemba walker who he would want defening him IT or DC
Boogie-havoc
Bench
The thing is, he isn't really a true point guard either.
He has a bad court awareness and overall basketball IQ.
The man had the starter position in Indiana and Dallas and failed - for christ sake, he had Dirk Nowtizki to play with, and all the minutes in the world to do good - and Rick Carlisle decided to move him to the bench for Mike James. MIKE JAMES.
He doesn't really have a real idea on how to run an offense, not much more then IT does.
Really not a fan of this guy being given the starting PG position as hinted so far - I really hope he's gonna be a backup cause he's one of the best in the league at that.
He has a bad court awareness and overall basketball IQ.
The man had the starter position in Indiana and Dallas and failed - for christ sake, he had Dirk Nowtizki to play with, and all the minutes in the world to do good - and Rick Carlisle decided to move him to the bench for Mike James. MIKE JAMES.
He doesn't really have a real idea on how to run an offense, not much more then IT does.
Really not a fan of this guy being given the starting PG position as hinted so far - I really hope he's gonna be a backup cause he's one of the best in the league at that.
Boogie-havoc
Bench
If not same then slightly better - which is still below average. My point here is that this isn't an upgrade at all and that what people talk about as far as what he'll bring to the team (running a team, playing defense) are aspects of the game that he's just not very good at.
I think people are going to be unpleasantly surprised by his game but the key is that even at being marginally better at d and running the team, he'll also be doing it with a smaller salary and much smaller need to be something we don't need.
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Shabazz916
Guest
ppl talk about upgrade this upgrade that... this is about fit and scheme.. mike malone is a defensive coach.. hell we need defense... period everybody knows that... i like IT but good god if we want to rid its not about being likeable its about winning.. and you win with defense
No doubt and DC is a better defender than IT. He's just still not that good a defender.
Glenn
Hall of Famer
Collison is not a defensive whiz. I think the FO is depending on Malone to make a silk purse out of a cow's ear. They have yet to acquire a player known for his defense except for the brief moment we had Mbah a Moute.
Well, he'll be easy to root for. I had high hopes but for the last few seasons I've seen Collison more as a backup than a starter. While he's not a bad defender, I don't know that he's worth crowing over defensively. We shall see!
TonyTouch21
G-League
Attention Haters:
I know you guys love the little cute Pizza guy. But we improved our team with Collison. I know that our Record will improve
this year (quite a bit!). You should be able to see that the FO and Malone showcased IT so we can make some moves to improve our roster. Hopefully we can get a S&T (J-Smoov please!) with IT, JT, other JT, Williams or anything else that will work. I am excited!, and I'm sure you'll cheer up when we're winning more.
I know you guys love the little cute Pizza guy. But we improved our team with Collison. I know that our Record will improve
this year (quite a bit!). You should be able to see that the FO and Malone showcased IT so we can make some moves to improve our roster. Hopefully we can get a S&T (J-Smoov please!) with IT, JT, other JT, Williams or anything else that will work. I am excited!, and I'm sure you'll cheer up when we're winning more.
Ahhhh...... That you have to pay big money for!
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Shabazz916
Guest
collison is a better defender then IT he is cheaper.. we have tons of scorers we dnt need 3 20 point scorers
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This is the sort of sniping that really needs to stop.
