Creative trade idea:

[Smills91]

First this is a pre-arranged deal worked out by David Falk...he talks with Danny Ferry and assures that his client will be able to get an equitable deal from the Cavs. Second he talks with Geoff Petrie to get assured that his client will net him a desireable return...

Next step: Bibby opt OUT of his contract.

The Kings will re-sign Mike Bibby to a 6 year, 55 million dollar deal that will start out with a base pay of 6.5 million dollars. In return the Kings will receive Drew Gooden.

Also apart of the same deal but in a distinct trade the Kings ship off Kenny THomas for Ira Newble, David Wesley and Daniel Gibson.

The net result of the deal is:

Mike Bibby and Kenny Thomas

for

Drew Gooden, Ira Newble, David Wesley, Daniel Gibson

This does three things for the Kings:

1) It moves Kenny Thomas deal for near expiring deals and sheds 25% off of his 7.8 million dollar contract which equates to an extra 2 million dollars more or less.

2) It alters Bibby's contract from 13.5 million next season to 6.5 million(Drew Gooden's contract size). Which equates to a 7 million dollar savings on the cap.

In total the deal creates about 9 million dollars off of the Kings cap, which after the salary cap is set could give the Kings about 8-10 million dollars to spend in free agency in the summer.

I'll break down the total salaries here:

Brad Miller - 10.597402 million
Ron Artest - 7.915790 million
Shareef Abdur-Rahim - 5.8 million
Francisco Garcia - 1.1688 million
John Salmons - 4.752 million
Kevin Martin - 1.808121 million
Quincy Douby - 1.33920 million
Ira Newble - 3.4419 million
David Wesley - 1.75 million
Daniel Gibson - .687456 million
Drew Gooden - 6.453415 million
#10 pick salary = 1.958640 million

Roster salary = 47. 68 million dollars...

Anticipated salary cap is around 55-58 million dollar range...that'd equate to 7.4-10.4 million dollars to spend in free agency.

That could easily net Darko Milicic and let's assume Petrie drafts Conley or Law to replace Bibby at #10....

Or draft Green/Wright/Young at #10 and look to move Ron Artest for a better PG.

After the major FA signing, the Kings could look at using their MLE/LLE to re-sign Justin Williams and Ronnie Price.

The new Kings roster would be:

C: Brad Miller, Darko Milicic, Justin Williams
PF: Drew Gooden, Shareef Abdur-Rahim
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia, Ira Newble*
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Quincy Douby
PG: Conley/Law, Daniel Gibson, Ronnie Price, David Wesley*

 

[Burrito06]

One thing, in the K9 deal you mentioned Shannon Brown but in the final roster breakdown you list Daniel Gibson. How did we acquire him in your scenario.

 

[VF21]

Sorry, Smills91, but you're really grasping at a straw. And I'm not even sure you can restructure a player's salary in the manner you're trying to restructure Bibby's. He's already said, BTW, he's NOT going to opt out.

 

[Smills91]

Sorry, Smills91, but you're really grasping at a straw. And I'm not even sure you can restructure a player's salary in the manner you're trying to restructure Bibby's. He's already said, BTW, he's NOT going to opt out.

Maybe so, but I thought it was a creative way to appease all parties involved...and I checked Larry Coon and you can restructure a contract like I did...and I think Bibby has alluded to NOT opting out, but if his agent could work a deal like this out, I don't recall and "official" declaration by Bibby, so if this could be worked out, he still could potentially opt out at this point.

 

[Bricklayer]

You forgot the part about importing piles of garbage onto our roster. Hell, we keep on getting proposals like the ones that have come up lately and I'm going to become the founding member of the Keep Kt Club, just to avoid all these ugly deals where we bleed talent and absorb scubs all in a desperate effort to shave Kenny's bad but hardly disastrous contract (in that its not backbreakingly huge).

 

[cabz]

Piles of trash? I guess to each his own, but I don't see how Drew Gooden (probably better than any big man on the roster), Daniel Gibson (young talent making $600k), Ira Newble (expiring deal) and Wesley (one year left) should be considered trash from the Kings perspective.

It would certainly help with the cap, and provide the kings with two young players. That said, I don't think the Cavs would be interested in trading Newble, Wesley, and Gibson for KT when they really want Bibby. Even if Bibby were willing to do a sign and trade, the money would work without giving up Gibson and expirers for KT's bad contract.

The Cavs may want Bibby, and I think it would be a good fit for them, but I don't see a deal actually happening. Bibby isn't likely to opt out after such a bad season when he has $25+ million still on his contract and, without him resigning, the Cavs just don't have much to work with to reach Bibby's salary (that the Kings would actually want in return).

 

[fnordius]

Well, if you're going to rebuild around a youth movement, one youngster, one guy who will be 26 when the season starts, and two who are over 30 might be viewed as less than ideal.

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Piles of trash? I guess to each his own, but I don't see how Drew Gooden (probably better than any big man on the roster), Daniel Gibson (young talent making $600k), Ira Newble (expiring deal) and Wesley (one year left) should be considered trash from the Kings perspective.

It would certainly help with the cap, and provide the kings with two young players. That said, I don't think the Cavs would be interested in trading Newble, Wesley, and Gibson for KT when they really want Bibby. Even if Bibby were willing to do a sign and trade, the money would work without giving up Gibson and expirers for KT's bad contract.

The Cavs may want Bibby, and I think it would be a good fit for them, but I don't see a deal actually happening. Bibby isn't likely to opt out after such a bad season when he has $25+ million still on his contract and, without him resigning, the Cavs just don't have much to work with to reach Bibby's salary (that the Kings would actually want in return).

yeah, but if you could move him to another team w/ a better offer.. why take clevelands junk? none of those players mentioned are difference makers or young w/ loads of potential. bibby on the other hand, you know what your gonna get with him. he's playoff tested, clutch shooter and is a steady floor general. he does have negatives like slow and poor defense. however the positives outweigh his negatives for a team like cleveland.

 

[VF21]

Maybe so, but I thought it was a creative way to appease all parties involved...and I checked Larry Coon and you can restructure a contract like I did...and I think Bibby has alluded to NOT opting out, but if his agent could work a deal like this out, I don't recall and "official" declaration by Bibby, so if this could be worked out, he still could potentially opt out at this point.

Bibby is NOT going to opt out. You can take it to the bank. And although I don't have the article right at my fingertips, he has been quoted at least twice as saying he's not going to opt out and he does not want to leave Sacramento.

Bibby is due over $28 million the next two years. While your restructure might work on paper, it's not going to happen. He's not going to take a $15 million hit up front.

Here's the skinny IMHO:

1. Bibby doesn't really want to leave Sacramento so he's certainly not going to make it easier for them to move him.

2. Bibby isn't going to opt out of a guaranteed $28 million. Your 6-year, $55 million just isn't very attractive. Bibby, I'm sure, is looking at collecting the $28 million first and then, if he hasn't been extended, looking at free agency and a legitimate shot at getting more than a 4-year, $27 million deal (the net between now and your proposal).

3. I personally believe we can do a lot better for Bibby than Drew Gooden.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

2. Bibby isn't going to opt out of a guaranteed $28 million. Your 6-year, $55 million just isn't very attractive. Bibby, I'm sure, is looking at collecting the $28 million first and then, if he hasn't been extended, looking at free agency and a legitimate shot at getting more than a 4-year, $27 million deal (the net between now and your proposal).

Exactly. After Bibby plays out the next two years, I would be shocked to see him sign for anything less than 5/$50M, and even that number seems low. In all the zeal to trade him for a draft pick, we seem to have forgotten that he's a very good player.

 

[Mike0476]

Bibby is NOT going to opt out. You can take it to the bank. And although I don't have the article right at my fingertips, he has been quoted at least twice as saying he's not going to opt out and he does not want to leave Sacramento.

Tough times hurting Bibby
The Kings veteran bristles at those who say his best days could be behind him.
Sacramento Bee, The (CA)
February 10, 2007
Author: Sam Amick

Bibby's first possible out is an early termination option for this offseason, but it's not his last option. He also has a player option after the 2007-08 season, at which time he would have to choose to seek a new deal in free agency or earn $14.5 million in the final season of his contract.

"You never want to leave a good situation," Bibby said. "I think this is a good situation for me and my family, being here. You always want to retire in a place you feel comfortable. But like I said, it's not really up to me. We'll see how it plays out."

Bibby stays put; last-second shot is kaput
Point guard's feelings conflict over trade talk
Sacramento Bee, The (CA)
February 23, 2007
Author: Sam Amick

"I don't know where it's going to leave me," Bibby said. "I think they're trying to go in a different direction, and I don't think I'm involved in that direction."

Bibby ponders what if, what is, what could be
Sacramento Bee, The (CA)
March 14, 2007
Author: Sam Amick

Bibby also confirmed what his agent, David Falk, said in early February, that he was unlikely to opt out of a contract that has an early termination option after this season and a player option for the 2008-09 campaign and will pay him a combined $28 million.

"(I'll) probably take it," he said of the contract. "There's a lot of things come into (play), but I'm going to talk it over with my agent, work it out and see what's going to happen during the summer."

Will Bibby still be here?
Big decisions are looming regarding the future of the Kings and their point guard
Sacramento Bee, The (CA)
February 7, 2007
Author: Scott Howard-Cooper

"I called (the Kings) as a courtesy, and we had a candid conversation about it," Bibby's agent, David Falk, said about the possibility of Bibby opting out of his contract. "I just told them that it had been our expectation that we would exercise the out," he said. "But right now, unless something happens, it's unlikely that we would opt out. The risk is too great."

Bibby, for his part, refers questioners to Falk.

"It's all up to him," Bibby said. "He knows the business better than I do. He told me I play basketball, he does that stuff, so I'm going to leave it up to him."

"It had been our intent going into the season to use the out and get a deal done for Mike to stay here for a long time," Falk said.

 

[VF21]

Thanks, Mike0476, for taking the time to dig some of those out.

 

[Smills91]

Well, if you're going to rebuild around a youth movement, one youngster, one guy who will be 26 when the season starts, and two who are over 30 might be viewed as less than ideal.

You forgot the addition of 7-10 million dollars in cap space as well...that can net a prime time free agent.

 

[Smills91]

Bibby is NOT going to opt out. You can take it to the bank. And although I don't have the article right at my fingertips, he has been quoted at least twice as saying he's not going to opt out and he does not want to leave Sacramento.

Bibby is due over $28 million the next two years. While your restructure might work on paper, it's not going to happen. He's not going to take a $15 million hit up front.

Here's the skinny IMHO:

1. Bibby doesn't really want to leave Sacramento so he's certainly not going to make it easier for them to move him.

2. Bibby isn't going to opt out of a guaranteed $28 million. Your 6-year, $55 million just isn't very attractive. Bibby, I'm sure, is looking at collecting the $28 million first and then, if he hasn't been extended, looking at free agency and a legitimate shot at getting more than a 4-year, $27 million deal (the net between now and your proposal).

3. I personally believe we can do a lot better for Bibby than Drew Gooden.

I agree, damn. However, all I am saying is that it's not COMPLETELY out of the question for him to reconsider his decision. My point was that he's NOT made it OFFICIAL to his decision. This is a business and if a better opportunity arises, he very well could change his current stance. It's not like I ever said, oh MIKE WILL OPT out..I was throwing out a creative scenario to something that MIGHT happen. Relax and have some fun for crying out loud.

 

[VF21]

Dude, you put forth a scenario with the full expectation of comments, right? Well, I commented. I pointed out the obvious flaw in your scenario. Bibby is NOT going to opt out and leave $28 million uncollected. He can do better - and probably will - by staying put and becoming a free agent once he's received the $28 million.

I'm sorry if this upsets you, but it seems logical to me that your trade idea just won't work for the reasons I've outlined in the thread.

I guess I just don't buy into the "let's pretend" concept of trade proposals.

 

[tyrant]

so basically we'll have a very inexperienced starting 5 that will not see the conference finals

 

[Smills91]

Dude, you put forth a scenario with the full expectation of comments, right? Well, I commented. I pointed out the obvious flaw in your scenario. Bibby is NOT going to opt out and leave $28 million uncollected. He can do better - and probably will - by staying put and becoming a free agent once he's received the $28 million.

I'm sorry if this upsets you, but it seems logical to me that your trade idea just won't work for the reasons I've outlined in the thread.

I guess I just don't buy into the "let's pretend" concept of trade proposals.

All you said was Bibby WILL not opt out, and I showed you a scenario, as hypothetical as it is, where he possibly would opt out. Your stance was it's signed, sealed and delivered(and while I agree it's likely) that he'll opt out and it HAS NOT become official and therefore is still plausible(even if it's a stretch)...you commented on the reality of the trade, which I agree with you is a stretch, never once did you comment on the actual trade portion of this "hypothetical" which is where the conflict is found.