Correcting years of mistakes in one weekend's musing...

Bricklayer

Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well, took more than a little doing, as one might expect given the depths of our crappiness, but after days of doodling I finally managed to clean up all of the messes we have gotten ourselves into these last few years and give the franchise a clean start and future: :p

TRADE 1 (Sac/Mia)
Miami OUT:
Jason Williams $8.9 (ender)
Michael Doleac $3.1 (ender)
Dorell Wright $1.7 (ender)
first round pick (#20)
---------------------------
$13.7mil

Miami IN:
Mike Bibby $13.5mil
--------------------------
$13.5mil

WHY IT HAPPENS: It just should. WHY NOT: with Posey gone and Wright traded, the only SF left even in theory is Walker. Course that's what FA is for.


TRADE 2 (The Showcase Sac/NY/Hou/Phx)
Sac OUT:
Ron Artest $7.8mil
Brad Miller $10.5mil
Kenny Thomas $7.3mil
John Salmons $4.8mil
#10 pick
----------------------
$30.4mil

Sac IN:
Steve Francis $16.4
Kurt Thomas $8.1mil (ender)
Bob Sura $3.8mil (ender)
Kirk Snyder $2.4mil (ender)
#4 pick
#23pick
#26pick
---------------------------
$30.7mil

NY OUT:
Steve Francis $16.4mil
Channing Frye $2.3mil
Nate Robinson $1.2mil
#23pick
--------------------------
$19.9mil

NY IN:
Ron Artest $7.8mil
Kenny Thomas $7.3mil
Rafer Alston $4.6mil
--------------------
$19.7mil

Houston OUT:
Rafer Alston $4.6mil
Bob Sura $3.8mil (ender)
Kirk Snyder $2.4mil (ender)
#26 pick
------------
$10.8mil

Houston IN:
Brad Miller $10.5mil
Nate Robinson: $1.2mil
------------
$11.7mil

Phoenix OUT:
Kurt Thomas $8.1mil (ender)
#4 pick
-------------------------
$8.1mil

Phoenix IN:
Channing Frye: $2.3mil
John Salmons: $4.8mil
#10 pick
---------------------------
$7.1mil

WHY IT HAPPENS: Because I put a lot of damn work into it, and made it work for every team. Phoenix gets depth in a guy they wanted last summer (Salmons), a cheap young big from the area who can play their style, and a chance to draft Mike Conley as Nash's understudy. They also save a little money, which is key for them. NY gets Artest, who Zeke loves, and that NY loves, and another NY playground legend in Rafer, and a short surly PF, who again appeals to Zeke's Napoleon complex and love of bad contracts -- he and Lee dominate the glass next to sad sack Curry. They also get rid of Francis who they want gone as well as two out of favor kids. Houston gets Brad to help Rick instill the new flavor in Houston as well as majorly shoring up their frontcourt, and Nate for Rick to try to turn into a new Bobby Jackson....just as soon as they find an actual starter in FA. We...well we make out like bandits in enders and picks. WHY IT DOESN'T: Because Geoff is jealous of my superior GMing skills and will scuttle it. ;)


TRADE 3a (Sac/SA)
Sac OUT:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim: $5.8mil

Sac IN:
Francisco Elson: $3.0mil (ender)
Jackie Butler: $2.4mil

SA OUT:
Francisco Elson: $3.0mil (ender)
Jackie Butler: $2.4mil

SA IN:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim: $5.8mil

TRADE 3b (Sac/DAL)
Sac OUT:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim: $5.8mil

Sac IN:
Devean George: $2.2mil (ender)
DJ Mbenga: $1.8mil
Maurice Ager: $1.0mil (ender)

DAL OUT:
Devean George: $2.2mil (ender)
DJ Mbenga: $1.8mil
Maurice Ager: $1.0mil (ender)

DAL IN:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim: $5.8mil

WHY EITHER HAPPENS: watching Dallas int he first round, or San Anotonio in Game 5, their backup bigs were totally ineffective against smallballing, while Reef, sad though he be, is if nothing else smallball kryptonite. The Spurs at least wanted Reef to be a 6th man back the summer when we signed him. He should be more willing now. And of course Dallas will be looking for a cheap way to fix what went wrong, and Cuban loves to collect faded stars. Note, we also had an interest in MBenga last summer, so be a coup to get him this way. WHY THEY DON'T HAPPEN: Geoff gets stains on the front of his pants at the thought of soft pretty little "bigs" and may not possibly be able to part with a man he openly lusted after only two years ago.


Kings final roster:
Steve Francis $16.4mil
Jason Williams $8.9mil (ender)
Kurt Thomas $8.1mil (ender)
Bob Sura $3.8mil (ender) -- injured, waive
Michael Doleac $3.1mil (ender)
Francisco Elson $3.0mil (ender)
Kirk Snyder $2.4mil (ender)
Jackie Butler $2.4mil
Kevin Martin $1.8mil (ender)
Dorell Wright $1.7mil (ender)
Quincy Douby $1.3mil
Francisco Garcia $1.2mil
Ronnie Price $MIN
Justin Williams $MIN
#4 pick (big stud -- Jianlian, Horford, Wright)
#20 pick (maybe combine a couple of these to move up again)
#23 pick (maybe combine a couple of these to move up again)
#26 pick (maybe combine a couple of these to move up again)

so:
1) ALL the long term veteran contracts are gone.
2) the above team sucks, in perfect rebuilding fashion. Old vets with ending contracts giving way to all kinds of talented kids
3) then after a year of sucking, get an other high draft pick next year, in a big PG draft, AND clear up $34mil in capspace! Sign big free agent(s), draft young PG of future.
4) Then in 08-09, with all the kids, with free agent, with the new high draft pick at PG, Steve Francis becomes a free agent and you clear ANOTHER $18mil in capspace and can go sign another free agent the next year.
 
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I love it!

After waiving Sura, we'd still have to waive 2 other guys to get down to 15, and that would be a little tough. With so many enders deserving of waivers, which would it be?

Nice job, Brick.
 
Phoenix hates it. Why would they give up a chance at Jianlin or Horford for Salmons and Frye... Not to mention they give up an expiring contract and they have financial problems.

If we want to move up we're going to have to take some AWFUL contracts.
 
I don't think Houston does this and Phoenix definitely doesn't do it. No way they give up no.4 (if they get it).
 
Steve Francis $16.4mil
Jason Williams $8.9mil (ender)
Kurt Thomas $8.1mil (ender)
Bob Sura $3.8mil (ender) -- injured, waive
Michael Doleac $3.1mil (ender)
Francisco Elson $3.0mil (ender)
Kirk Snyder $2.4mil (ender)
Jackie Butler $2.4mil
Kevin Martin $1.8mil (ender)
Dorell Wright $1.7mil (ender)
Quincy Douby $1.3mil
Francisco Garcia $1.2mil
Ronnie Price $MIN
Justin Williams $MIN
#4 pick (big stud -- Jianlian, Horford, Wright)
#20 pick (maybe combine a couple of these to move up again)
#23 pick (maybe combine a couple of these to move up again)
#26 pick (maybe combine a couple of these to move up again)

Yuck. While I understand the concept, I don't think I'd bother leaving the mountain even once to see that team play. A few less enders, please.
 
If only life were this easy - the Kings would be champions, I'd be a billionaire, and I'd own the team already.

I like 3b, but I just don't think the others are realistic. In addition to what BMiller52 and Vlade4Gm pointed out, Miami would be left with just Bibby at the point and just Walker at SF -- we might be able to get some of their trade assets for Bibby, but not all of them.
 
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Yuck. While I understand the concept, I don't think I'd bother leaving the mountain even once to see that team play. A few less enders, please.

Well that would rather be defying one of the goals of the whole exercise, no? ;)

Beisdes, ironically should be considerably more entertaining than our crew was this year.
 
If only life were this easy - the Kings would be champions, I'd be a billionaire, and I'd own the team already.

I like 3b, but I just don't think the others are realistic. In addition to what BMiller52 and Vlade4Gm pointed out, Miami would be left with just Bibby at the point and just Walker at SF -- we might be able to get some of their trade assets for Bibby, but not all of them.

As an aside, Miami's trade assets are almost worthless to them, pick aside, given that JWill's leg is about to fall off, Doleac sucks, and Wright is unhappy and wants out. They exist purely to tempt some other team to give them a star level player. Preferably at PG since its the more important postion.
 
I like the plan a lot, but I really don't think Phoenix does it, nor do I think Miami gives us Wright and the pick, if we do trade with them it will probably for one or the other. I really hope Petrie does go with a similar approach though,we really need to blow this whole thing up and go for expirings, picks, and youth. I just fear it's going to be another year of "retooling" to try and barely get that 7 or 8 seed.
 
As an aside, Miami's trade assets are almost worthless to them, pick aside, given that JWill's leg is about to fall off, Doleac sucks, and Wright is unhappy and wants out. They exist purely to tempt some other team to give them a star level player. Preferably at PG since its the more important postion.

I agree with you there, but they also have some serious depth issues, and they need upgrades in multiple spots. We could probably get either Wright or their pick for Bibby, but I don't think we could get both. It just opens up too many holes for them.
 
The suns are probably looking for cap space, not adding more salary and trading their one major expiring. Talent wise they do all right.

That first trade HAS to happen this summer!!!! Just too obvious for it not too. Get it done Petrie!!!!
 
TRADE 2 (The Showcase Sac/NY/Hou/Phx)
Sac OUT:
Ron Artest $7.8mil
Brad Miller $10.5mil
Kenny Thomas $7.3mil
John Salmons $4.8mil
#10 pick
----------------------
$30.4mil

Sac IN:
Steve Francis $16.4
Kurt Thomas $8.1mil (ender)
Bob Sura $3.8mil (ender)
Kirk Snyder $2.4mil (ender)
#4 pick
#23pick
#26pick
---------------------------
$30.7mil

NY OUT:
Steve Francis $16.4mil
Channing Frye $2.3mil
Nate Robinson $1.2mil
#23pick
--------------------------
$19.9mil

NY IN:
Ron Artest $7.8mil
Kenny Thomas $7.3mil
Rafer Alston $4.6mil
--------------------
$19.7mil

Houston OUT:
Rafer Alston $4.6mil
Bob Sura $3.8mil (ender)
Kirk Snyder $2.4mil (ender)
#26 pick
------------
$10.8mil

Houston IN:
Brad Miller $10.5mil
Nate Robinson: $1.2mil
------------
$11.7mil

Phoenix OUT:
Kurt Thomas $8.1mil (ender)
#4 pick
-------------------------
$8.1mil

Phoenix IN:
Channing Frye: $2.3mil
John Salmons: $4.8mil
#10 pick
---------------------------
$7.1mil

im all over this one....drooling...waiting...
 
I've been working on this same concept for a while Brick, and you took one of my major ideas (bringing Francis in to get his $18 million freed up in two years) and made it work beautifully.

We'd be under the cap by $15 million or so, two straight seasons (without factoring in a HUGE free agent signing after year one), and we'd have at least two, maybe FIVE first round picks in two years. If we couldn't build a contending team in three years - and, by contender, I mean a Western conference powerhouse - then we either did something drastically wrong or suffered some serious injuries. Either way, it would give us one or two years of 30 win basketball, followed by potential 50 or 60 win seasons.

Only thing you didn't factor in is who coaches the team for the next two years, and then who coaches after that. Besides that, though, GREAT JOB. Make the call to Geoff, and let's get back to the top, man!
 
wow... that must have taken some serious time... props on gettn that done
 
Bricklayer:

You can tell you put a lot of work and thought into that plan. Hopefully Petrie does something more than last offseason. Trade 1 definitely needs to happen, I think that one is obvious to everyone. As for the Heat lack of SF, the 3 is the easiest position to fill, they could just give Barnes the MLE.

Instead of the one 4 team trade, do you think it be easier to do three smaller trades? Also the Phoenix part will never happen. Phoenix will not part with the #4 unless they dump Banks.

Trade 1:
SAC
->SAR
<-Sura+Vasilis Spannoulis+#26 Pick

HOU
->Sura+Vasilis Spannoulis+#26 Pick
<-SAR

Trade 2:
SAC
->Artest
<-P.Garrity+K. Dooling+#23 Pick+J. Augustine

NYK
->Q. Richardson+N.Robinson+#23 Pick
<-Artest

Orl
->P. Garrity+K. Dooling+ J. Augustine
<-Q. Richardson+N. Robinson

Trade 3:
SAC
->K. Thomas + 23 Pick
<-B. Cardinal + H. Warrick

MEM
->B. Cardinal + H. Warrick
<-K. Thomas + 23rd Pick

Trade 4:
SAC
->H. Warrick + D.Wright
<-N. Collison

SEA
->N. Collison
<-H. Warrick + D.Wright

Now I know you cannot combine a recently traded player together in a trade. So I am technically trading using trade exceptions. See:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#72

Salary:
Brad Miller___ _ 10,500,000.00 11,375,000.00 12,250,000.00
Jason Williams _ 8,937,500.00
Brian Cardinal _ 5,850,000.00 6,300,000.00 6,750,000.00
Nick Collison_ _ 5,750,000.00 6,250,000.00 6,250,000.00
John Salmons _ 4,752,000.00 5,104,000.00 5,456,000.00
Pat Garrity ____ 3,818,750.00
Bob Sura _____ 3,800,000.00 (Waived)
Keyon Dooling _ 3,596,000.00
Michael Doleac _ 3,120,000.00
V. Spanoulis __ 1,944,000.00 (Waived)
Kevin Martin __ 1,808,120.00
10th Pick _____1,595,000.00 1,715,040.00 2,717,161.00
Francisco Garcia 1,168,800.00 1,983,453.00
Ronnie Price ___ 1,500,000.00 2,000,000.00 2,500,000.00
Justin Williams_ 1,500,000.00 2,000,000.00 2,500,000.00
Quincy Douby _ 1,333,920.00 1,427,040.00 2,197,641.00
20th Pick _____ 1,333,920.00 1,427,040.00 2,197,641.00
23rd Pick _____ 1,052,960.00 1,133,040.00 1,212,120.00
James Augustine 687,456.00 (Waived)
Final Salary____ 64,048,426.00 40,714,613.00 44,030,563.00

That is the plan I came up in the last month.
I would keep Brad because:
1. He become the best passer on the team.
2. He is the only one who sets a pick on this team.
3. He plays for USA basketball and the Kings need all the exposure they can get.
4. Next year when it comes time to trade for a Superstar we need some kind of Salary to match with. The longer we keep him, the more his value as an expiring contract goes up.
 
Bricklayer:

You can tell you put a lot of work and thought into that plan. Hopefully Petrie does something more than last offseason. Trade 1 definitely needs to happen, I think that one is obvious to everyone. As for the Heat lack of SF, the 3 is the easiest position to fill, they could just give Barnes the MLE.

Instead of the one 4 team trade, do you think it be easier to do three smaller trades? Also the Phoenix part will never happen. Phoenix will not part with the #4 unless they dump Banks.

Trade 1:
SAC
->SAR
<-Sura+Vasilis Spannoulis+#26 Pick

HOU
->Sura+Vasilis Spannoulis+#26 Pick
<-SAR

Trade 2:
SAC
->Artest
<-P.Garrity+K. Dooling+#23 Pick+J. Augustine

NYK
->Q. Richardson+N.Robinson+#23 Pick
<-Artest

Orl
->P. Garrity+K. Dooling+ J. Augustine
<-Q. Richardson+N. Robinson

Trade 3:
SAC
->K. Thomas + 23 Pick
<-B. Cardinal + H. Warrick

MEM
->B. Cardinal + H. Warrick
<-K. Thomas + 23rd Pick

Trade 4:
SAC
->H. Warrick + D.Wright
<-N. Collison

SEA
->N. Collison
<-H. Warrick + D.Wright

Now I know you cannot combine a recently traded player together in a trade. So I am technically trading using trade exceptions. See:
http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#72

Salary:
Brad Miller___ _ 10,500,000.00 11,375,000.00 12,250,000.00
Jason Williams _ 8,937,500.00
Brian Cardinal _ 5,850,000.00 6,300,000.00 6,750,000.00
Nick Collison_ _ 5,750,000.00 6,250,000.00 6,250,000.00
John Salmons _ 4,752,000.00 5,104,000.00 5,456,000.00
Pat Garrity ____ 3,818,750.00
Bob Sura _____ 3,800,000.00 (Waived)
Keyon Dooling _ 3,596,000.00
Michael Doleac _ 3,120,000.00
V. Spanoulis __ 1,944,000.00 (Waived)
Kevin Martin __ 1,808,120.00
10th Pick _____1,595,000.00 1,715,040.00 2,717,161.00
Francisco Garcia 1,168,800.00 1,983,453.00
Ronnie Price ___ 1,500,000.00 2,000,000.00 2,500,000.00
Justin Williams_ 1,500,000.00 2,000,000.00 2,500,000.00
Quincy Douby _ 1,333,920.00 1,427,040.00 2,197,641.00
20th Pick _____ 1,333,920.00 1,427,040.00 2,197,641.00
23rd Pick _____ 1,052,960.00 1,133,040.00 1,212,120.00
James Augustine 687,456.00 (Waived)
Final Salary____ 64,048,426.00 40,714,613.00 44,030,563.00

That is the plan I came up in the last month.
I would keep Brad because:
1. He become the best passer on the team.
2. He is the only one who sets a pick on this team.
3. He plays for USA basketball and the Kings need all the exposure they can get.
4. Next year when it comes time to trade for a Superstar we need some kind of Salary to match with. The longer we keep him, the more his value as an expiring contract goes up.

man that is one confusing transaction there. i scratch my head on a few of the trades..
 
Well, took more than a little doing, as one might expect given the depths of our crappiness, but after days of doodling I finally managed to clean up all of the messes we have gotten ourselves into these last few years and give the franchise a clean start and future: :p

TRADE 1 (Sac/Mia)
Miami OUT:
Jason Williams $8.9 (ender)
Michael Doleac $3.1 (ender)
Dorell Wright $1.7 (ender)
first round pick (#20)
---------------------------
$13.7mil

Miami IN:
Mike Bibby $13.5mil
--------------------------
$13.5mil

WHY IT HAPPENS: It just should. WHY NOT: with Posey gone and Wright traded, the only SF left even in theory is Walker. Course that's what FA is for.


TRADE 2 (The Showcase Sac/NY/Hou/Phx)
Sac OUT:
Ron Artest $7.8mil
Brad Miller $10.5mil
Kenny Thomas $7.3mil
John Salmons $4.8mil
#10 pick
----------------------
$30.4mil

Sac IN:
Steve Francis $16.4
Kurt Thomas $8.1mil (ender)
Bob Sura $3.8mil (ender)
Kirk Snyder $2.4mil (ender)
#4 pick
#23pick
#26pick
---------------------------
$30.7mil

NY OUT:
Steve Francis $16.4mil
Channing Frye $2.3mil
Nate Robinson $1.2mil
#23pick
--------------------------
$19.9mil

NY IN:
Ron Artest $7.8mil
Kenny Thomas $7.3mil
Rafer Alston $4.6mil
--------------------
$19.7mil

Houston OUT:
Rafer Alston $4.6mil
Bob Sura $3.8mil (ender)
Kirk Snyder $2.4mil (ender)
#26 pick
------------
$10.8mil

Houston IN:
Brad Miller $10.5mil
Nate Robinson: $1.2mil
------------
$11.7mil

Phoenix OUT:
Kurt Thomas $8.1mil (ender)
#4 pick
-------------------------
$8.1mil

Phoenix IN:
Channing Frye: $2.3mil
John Salmons: $4.8mil
#10 pick
---------------------------
$7.1mil

WHY IT HAPPENS: Because I put a lot of damn work into it, and made it work for every team. Phoenix gets depth in a guy they wanted last summer (Salmons), a cheap young big from the area who can play their style, and a chance to draft Mike Conley as Nash's understudy. They also save a little money, which is key for them. NY gets Artest, who Zeke loves, and that NY loves, and another NY playground legend in Rafer, and a short surly PF, who again appeals to Zeke's Napoleon complex and love of bad contracts -- he and Lee dominate the glass next to sad sack Curry. They also get rid of Francis who they want gone as well as two out of favor kids. Houston gets Brad to help Rick instill the new flavor in Houston as well as majorly shoring up their frontcourt, and Nate for Rick to try to turn into a new Bobby Jackson....just as soon as they find an actual starter in FA. We...well we make out like bandits in enders and picks. WHY IT DOESN'T: Because Geoff is jealous of my superior GMing skills and will scuttle it. ;)


TRADE 3a (Sac/SA)
Sac OUT:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim: $5.8mil

Sac IN:
Francisco Elson: $3.0mil (ender)
Jackie Butler: $2.4mil

SA OUT:
Francisco Elson: $3.0mil (ender)
Jackie Butler: $2.4mil

SA IN:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim: $5.8mil

TRADE 3b (Sac/DAL)
Sac OUT:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim: $5.8mil

Sac IN:
Devean George: $2.2mil (ender)
DJ Mbenga: $1.8mil
Maurice Ager: $1.0mil (ender)

DAL OUT:
Devean George: $2.2mil (ender)
DJ Mbenga: $1.8mil
Maurice Ager: $1.0mil (ender)

DAL IN:
Shareef Abdur-Rahim: $5.8mil

WHY EITHER HAPPENS: watching Dallas int he first round, or San Anotonio in Game 5, their backup bigs were totally ineffective against smallballing, while Reef, sad though he be, is if nothing else smallball kryptonite. The Spurs at least wanted Reef to be a 6th man back the summer when we signed him. He should be more willing now. And of course Dallas will be looking for a cheap way to fix what went wrong, and Cuban loves to collect faded stars. Note, we also had an interest in MBenga last summer, so be a coup to get him this way. WHY THEY DON'T HAPPEN: Geoff gets stains on the front of his pants at the thought of soft pretty little "bigs" and may not possibly be able to part with a man he openly lusted after only two years ago.


Kings final roster:
Steve Francis $16.4mil
Jason Williams $8.9mil (ender)
Kurt Thomas $8.1mil (ender)
Bob Sura $3.8mil (ender) -- injured, waive
Michael Doleac $3.1mil (ender)
Francisco Elson $3.0mil (ender)
Kirk Snyder $2.4mil (ender)
Jackie Butler $2.4mil
Kevin Martin $1.8mil (ender)
Dorell Wright $1.7mil (ender)
Quincy Douby $1.3mil
Francisco Garcia $1.2mil
Ronnie Price $MIN
Justin Williams $MIN
#4 pick (big stud -- Jianlian, Horford, Wright)
#20 pick (maybe combine a couple of these to move up again)
#23 pick (maybe combine a couple of these to move up again)
#26 pick (maybe combine a couple of these to move up again)

so:
1) ALL the long term veteran contracts are gone.
2) the above team sucks, in perfect rebuilding fashion. Old vets with ending contracts giving way to all kinds of talented kids
3) then after a year of sucking, get an other high draft pick next year, in a big PG draft, AND clear up $34mil in capspace! Sign big free agent(s), draft young PG of future.
4) Then in 08-09, with all the kids, with free agent, with the new high draft pick at PG, Steve Francis becomes a free agent and you clear ANOTHER $18mil in capspace and can go sign another free agent the next year.

good work brick. that must've taken some time :) i like how its a win win situation in the trade scenarios or at least possible.
 
Now this is a trade proposal. Congrats on a lot of effort put in. I like it for most of the teams but there is no way Suns are giving up the #4 pick because they need another big body defender while Amare is out with foul troubles. There's a good chance they take that over Conley.
 
Brick, lets flood MSE with this thread, hoping Geoff finally gets one of the e-mails. Nice work. Pheonix giving up the 4 is a stretch, but maybe Geoff has some magic left in him.
 
Brick, lets flood MSE with this thread, hoping Geoff finally gets one of the e-mails. Nice work. Pheonix giving up the 4 is a stretch, but maybe Geoff has some magic left in him.

We all might want to send some incriminating photos, boatloads of cash for bribes and Omar from The Wire for muscle if we have any hope of this going down.

I know I'm as guilty as anyone as floating some whopper trade proposals and for wishful thinking, but when these sorts of proposals come out, and the people who regularly call out Petrie for sitting on his butt and accusing him of mismanagement take trades like these at face value as if they're realistic instead of a fantasy trade, it gives me the heeby jeebies a bit.

I mean, it's no wonder these people think Petrie isn't doing his job, if they think something like this is possible.
 
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