Clippers-Kings (revisiting possible Kaman trade)

[KingsCitizen]

Well, it seems a bit quite here again. So I browsed a few team's roster for a possible trade with the Kings. Then I saw the Clippers, which seems to be stocking up some bigs. They already have Griffin, Camby, Jordan, Kaman, plus they just added Smith and Madsen. All these guys are still pretty capable of even logging solid 20mins per game. But I doubt it'll be managed evenly. So I would like to dig up again a possible trade to get Kaman from them. Through K9+Donte (it works... http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5234256 )

So why would the Clips to this? We'll of all the big men they have, Kaman has the longest and most expensive contract. But the presence of Camby and Jordan and now Griffin, Madsen, and Smith at a much cheaper price, he just became expendable. Getting K9's expiring contract would make them the one biggest FA player for 2010, without losing their young Nucleus of Griffin, Gordon, Thornton and Jordan. Plus they would still have Baron Davis under contract. Donte would be the cream of the trade bring with a huge but still raw potential to be a great basketball player.

Why would the Kings do this? We'll maybe because were still a legit big man away from being considered a legit team again in the NBA? Kaman with Hawes, JT, and May is a pretty good frontline if all comes in healthy and at the top of their game every night.

Possible depth chart:
C - Hawes/Kaman/Thompson
PF - Thompson/May/Nocioni
SF - Nocioni/Casspi/Garcia
SG- Martin/Garcia/Evans
PG - Evans/Udrih/Rodriguez

 

[HighTopKicks]

Well, it seems a bit quite here again. So I browsed a few team's roster for a possible trade with the Kings. Then I saw the Clippers, which seems to be stocking up some bigs. They already have Griffin, Camby, Jordan, Kaman, plus they just added Smith and Madsen. All these guys are still pretty capable of even logging solid 20mins per game. But I doubt it'll be managed evenly. So I would like to dig up again a possible trade to get Kaman from them. Through K9+Donte (it works... http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5234256 )

So why would the Clips to this? We'll of all the big men they have, Kaman has the longest and most expensive contract. But the presence of Camby and Jordan and now Griffin, Madsen, and Smith at a much cheaper price, he just became expendable. Getting K9's expiring contract would make them the one biggest FA player for 2010, without losing their young Nucleus of Griffin, Gordon, Thornton and Jordan. Plus they would still have Baron Davis under contract. Donte would be the cream of the trade bring with a huge but still raw potential to be a great basketball player.

Why would the Kings do this? We'll maybe because were still a legit big man away from being considered a legit team again in the NBA? Kaman with Hawes, JT, and May is a pretty good frontline if all comes in healthy and at the top of their game every night.

Possible depth chart:
C - Hawes/Kaman/Thompson
PF - Thompson/May/Nocioni
SF - Nocioni/Casspi/Garcia
SG- Martin/Garcia/Evans
PG - Evans/Udrih/Rodriguez

I'd rather have Jordan

 

[AriesMar27]

just like every other thread that involves us trading for a veteran center, why are they coming off the bench when they are much better than hawes... hawes may become better one day but today is not that day.

but since we dont lose anything why not? now that i think about it, no.... i know we need a back up center but the length of his contract and the price isnt worth it. i didnt know that his contract was that long or that high... he's the 2nd highest paid player on their team, we'd be doing the clipper a favor by taking kaman off their hands. camby i would trade for, his contract is expiring so if it doesnt work he can walk. we dont need to have beno, nocioni and kaman on the team coming off the bench. kaman makes more than martin, i didnt know he made that much. he's better than hawes but he isnt that good of a player.... deandre jordan would be nice but thats not gonna happen....

 

[TheRaven]

I don't think that trade is what the Clippers would be hoping for. They should be able to get a lot more for Kaman elsewhere. I don't think an expiring and one young prospect who hasn't shown very much thus far is quite enough for Kaman considering the premium put on solid bigs who aren't over the hill. If that is all they could get, they probably would rather keep Kaman and try to find a suitor for Camby.

Also, I don't know why you even mention mad dog madsen since he was waived by the Clippers after the trade. The Clippers really only need to clear out one spot, but there isn't a gun up to their head or anything. They can take their time and shop around to find a better deal than the one offered here I think.

 

[Circa_1985_Fan]

I honestly don't think Petrie would would even think about doing this...no way he takes on that contract, especially with Kamen's bad back. No need for a Ralph Sampson situation all over again.

 

[Bricklayer]

Oh, I would do that in an instant -- the guy averaged 12.7rebs and 2.8blks a game two years ago and could complete thngs up front. But the only way he is moved so cheaply is if he's damaged goods. At which point I am wary.

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

The Clips have been buyers in a seller's market. There's no way they would trade Kaman for our dregs unless Donald Sterling reverts back to his three years ago mentality, or unless they're rebuilding. It's a no to the latter, and we've hardly seen any evidence of the former this offseason.

 

[dbfish]

You gotta know when to hold'em........

........and know when to fold'em. Don't do this deal. Thomas' contract will be a more valuable tool for Petrie later in the season. We don't need to go off half cocked before the season starts.

 

[Chupacabra]

Im not sure that its worth it. It would destroy our chances at grabbing a free agent in 2010-2011. Im not sure thats worth giving up on for what kaman bring to the table. I think We could shore up the rebounding and defense for cheaper than Kaman's contract.

 

[bajaden]

Hmmm! Interesting, especially since we need another big. To me, it would all depend on his back. Bad backs have hurt a lot of careers, and they seem to be one of the more difficult ailments to treat, if serious. I'm a fan of Kaman's. He would certainly add to the toughness the Kings seem to be persuing. He had what would be considered a breakout year two years ago. He's 27 years old, so he's still young enough to be considered part of the rebuild. He does make a lot of money, and is signed through the 2011/2012 season.

But he would bring some experience to the front line, and, if totally healthy strengthen the defense. I could see Kaman and Hawes on the court at the same time. As far as to who would start. Whoever wins the job in training camp. I suspect that it would be Kaman, which wouldn't be that bad a thing. Competition tends to bring out the best in players. And if it doesn't, then I'm not sure I would want them on my team anyway. It would all depend on Kaman's back and what we would have to give up to get him...

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

........and know when to fold'em. Don't do this deal. Thomas' contract will be a more valuable tool for Petrie later in the season. We don't need to go off half cocked before the season starts.

Precisely

 

[Bricklayer]

Precisely

You must have extremely high hopes for that contract if you are thinking its likely to, in midseason no less, bring us back a better player than Kaman. Would have to be pretty much a star player to exceed a big ole starting quality center. I've proposed using it to try to nab an Amare/Bosh or whatnot in the past. But superstars (or close) are rarely rarely moved midseason, and in those guy's cases in particular, if their teams were moving them at that time, it would be an incredible risk for us to pick them up because it would mean they had decided to test the FA market.

 

[gunks]

Between the contract length and the back issues I kinda think it's too risky.


If the dude was healthy I'd do it in a second...But if he's going to be injury ridden for the rest of his career I'd rather a different team than ours be stuck with the contract.

Shame too, when Kaman was 100% the dude was straight up beastly.



I also think we should hold onto K9s contract... and trade it for a 2011 expiring. Forget the second and third tier FAs of 2010. Lets go after DURANT!

 

[KingsCitizen]

Kaman's best season was in '07-'08 when he averaged close to 16PPG 13RPG and 3BPG. Even though he went down with injury last season he still averaged pretty good when healthy.

His contract will only last for 3 more seasons which is IMO is a pretty safe level in terms big contracts. Here's how, if he continues to show injury this season let him heal fully and just play backup minutes to Hawes. He should be able to recover well if we won't force him to play starter minutes. The second season, expect him to be fully healthy and contributing. If it still doesn't workout, his contract will become a pretty decent expiring to trade during his 3rd season with us.

But all these if he comes to still injured. Otherwise, he'll be a pretty damn full-sized big that is going to boost our frontline solidly.

It's not so easy to see starter-quality and full-sized bigs out there that other teams maybe willing to let go without maybe getting too much in exchange. So if somewhat Kaman is available, I think we should give it a try.

And based on hoopshype.com, our payroll will just be at 35M next season. Adding Kaman will make it 46M, which should still make us pretty capable to add another quality FA next season even if we don't get rid of Beno.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I like Kamen, but I dont want to bring in someone that should/ will start over Hawes. It took us long enough to get Hawes and Thompson starting together and I want to keep it that way until they give us a reason to change it. I like the idea of going after Dalembert a little bit better for that reason.

 

[SacKings7]

I like Kamen, but I dont want to bring in someone that should/ will start over Hawes. It took us long enough to get Hawes and Thompson starting together and I want to keep it that way until they give us a reason to change it. I like the idea of going after Dalembert a little bit better for that reason.

So you'd rather trade basically the same package for a worse player than Kaman? Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. If Petrie makes a trade, then it's obviously to try and improve the team, and if both offers were on the table and he chose Dalembert over Kaman, then I''d be pretty upset.

 

[bajaden]

I like Kamen, but I dont want to bring in someone that should/ will start over Hawes. It took us long enough to get Hawes and Thompson starting together and I want to keep it that way until they give us a reason to change it. I like the idea of going after Dalembert a little bit better for that reason.

If Hawes were still playing behind Miller I would agree with you. I'm a fan of Hawes, but if I have a chance to aquire a center thats better than him and is still only 27 years old, then tough luck charlie. My advice to Hawes would be to go out and do things better than Kaman. Give me a reason you should start over him. This isn't about politics or popularity, this is about basketball and winning. As much as I like Thompson, that doesn't mean I would pass on aquiring Al Jefferson if he were suddenly available.

 

[apollo916]

Losing anyone besides improving bench players is a bad idea rite now.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

So you'd rather trade basically the same package for a worse player than Kaman? Sorry, but that doesn't make sense to me. If Petrie makes a trade, then it's obviously to try and improve the team, and if both offers were on the table and he chose Dalembert over Kaman, then I''d be pretty upset.

Thats not really what I said. I think a Dalembert trade would look alot different then one for Camby. Im thinking maybe K9 + Udrih for Dalembert .. maybe even give them Greene. Plus Dalembert is a shorter contract than Kaman ( good if Kaman breaks down ) .. I like Dalembert because his contract expires when we should be getting better so we can spend that money on something that fits our team at that point rather than spending it next year after K9 expires, plus he fits that defender / rebounder role.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

If Hawes were still playing behind Miller I would agree with you. I'm a fan of Hawes, but if I have a chance to aquire a center thats better than him and is still only 27 years old, then tough luck charlie. My advice to Hawes would be to go out and do things better than Kaman. Give me a reason you should start over him. This isn't about politics or popularity, this is about basketball and winning. As much as I like Thompson, that doesn't mean I would pass on aquiring Al Jefferson if he were suddenly available.

Its hard to disagree with your logic. Kaman is still young enough that you could start him over Hawes and still be a rebuilding team. Kaman is a better player than Hawes right now, and while Kaman is still young Hawes is still 4-5 years younger. Im afraid that if we dont give Hawes the minutes he wont develope, thats all.

I guess I'll take the easy way out and say I dont think you can even get Kaman for K9 and Greene anyways, and anything more we would have to add will most likely make the deal not worth it for us.

 

[bajaden]

Its hard to disagree with your logic. Kaman is still young enough that you could start him over Hawes and still be a rebuilding team. Kaman is a better player than Hawes right now, and while Kaman is still young Hawes is still 4-5 years younger. Im afraid that if we dont give Hawes the minutes he wont develope, thats all.

I guess I'll take the easy way out and say I dont think you can even get Kaman for K9 and Greene anyways, and anything more we would have to add will most likely make the deal not worth it for us.

Easy way out accepted! Because your probably right...

 

[SacTownGrantFan]

Kaman is scary looking. If we're going for toughness, post his face all over the arena.

 

[CruzDude]

Kings are not going to take on Kaman's salary, his health is suspect and K9+Donte is not very good deal to Clips. Thats all I'll say about that