Clearing the Decks with NYK

[nbrans]

So, combining some rumors from today's Bee article and adding some more ideas of my own, how about this blockbuster Sacramento/Knicks deal:

Bibby
Artest
Miller
KT

for

Marbury
David Lee
Crawford
Rose
1st Round Pick


New Kings:
PG: Beno/Douby/Marbury (possibly bought out)
SG: Martin/Crawford
SF: Salmons/Garcia
PF: Lee/Williams/SAR
C: Moore/Hawes/Williams

New Knicks:

PG: Bibby/Robinson
SG: Richardson/Jones
SF: Artest/Balkman
PF: Randolph/Curry/KT
C: Miller/Curry

Why for the Knicks: they get rid of three of their major problem areas: Marbury no longer caring, no permiter defense, and the lack of chemistry between Randolph and Curry. Miller is the perfect complement to both of them since he can play in the high post while they're down low. They would be vastly improved in the short term.

Why for the Kings: we take a no-doubt-about-it talent hit in the short term, but clear Brad's salary a year early, giving us $26 million in expiring contracts after next season. And Lee solves the rebounding problem if not the shotblocking problem. Plus what is probably a decent 1st round pick. I have always liked Crawford and think he can be the perfect spark plug off the bench -- his contract lasts a season longer than KT's, but he's by far the better value. Kings go into next offseason with (hopefully) about $13 million in cap room to go after a star PF/C or PG.

 

[Gary]

ewww no way. Sorry man.. That trade we are giving up pretty much everything to get one guy, and a draft pick. Not worth it imo.

 

[nbrans]

ewww no way. Sorry man.. That trade we are giving up pretty much everything to get one guy, and a draft pick. Not worth it imo.

One guy (Lee), a good draft pick (probably a lotto pick), a solid 6th man (Crawford), and we clear over $10 million in salary going into the next offseason to sign a star. Those aren't slim pickins.

 

[beb0p]

Bibby
Artest
Miller
KT

for

Marbury
David Lee
Crawford
Rose
1st Round Pick

NY is not giving up their 1st round draft pick nor are they trading Lee. Crawford has an even worse contract than KT. This trade is not gonna happen.

 

[Rowdyone]

As I stated in another thread I'd do a K.Thomas and R. Artest to NY for Z. Randolf and N.Robinson in a heartbeat but not sure NY would take on Kenny's contract as part of the price for Artest.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

I just dont see David Lees value like most I geuss, If K9 played his minutes he would probably have the same amount of rebounds.

Theres no way we should trade miller, we run our offence though him and hes playing like a borderline allstar again.

I don't want crawfords shot chucking on this team.

we give up the two best players and two of the best players on our team, we get raped in this trade.

no thanks

 

[nbrans]

I just dont see David Lees value like most I geuss, If K9 played his minutes he would probably have the same amount of rebounds.

Theres no way we should trade miller, we run our offence though him and hes playing like a borderline allstar again.

I don't want crawfords shot chucking on this team.

we give up the two best players and two of the best players on our team, we get raped in this trade.

no thanks

I think there's definitely a fine case to be made against this trade, but it's not true that Lee and K9 have a similar rebound rate: last season K9 grabbed 10.7 per 40 minutes, Lee grabbed 11.9 per 40.

But there's a reason that Lee is so valuable as a player, and not just in the abstract +/- stuff. Lee can finish and pass. Most rebounding specialists can't do either and so they're a complete liability on the offensive end. Lee gets points without having the offense go through him. It's a really valuable thing. Granted, he's not that great defensively and so he has some definite limitations, but he brings a ton more to the table than other rebounding specialists like KT, Craig Smith and Reggie Evans.

And the fact that Miller is playing well again is precisely the reason to trade him. He's not part of the future. Time to sell high.

I'm not saying that this is necessarily the best deal the Kings can get, but I don't agree with the premise that Lee isn't valuable and we should keep Miller.

 

[sidney]

I like it. I read that Bee article and thought of something very similar, just removing Crawford and Miller from your trade.

It could end up being a big talent bleed, but if we're not careful we might end up with nothing for Artest this summer and little/nothing for Mike next year. At least this way we get youth and upside in a needed position and cap space to tweak the roster in a year.

Beno
Martin/Garcia
Salmons/Garcia
Lee/Moore
Miller/Hawes

Would be an intruiging and fairly young lineup with a lot of upside.

 

[Dime Dropper]

That's a fairly good trade, but as you can see, most people don't see value in picks/young guys and expirings. They expect equal value which will do nothing for us in the short term and will harm us long term.

Your trade is beneficial to the future of this team. And I think it's a pretty good attempt (maybe too many players involved for it to have any chance of happening - but then again, none of these proposals do happen).

 

[VF21]

Okay, what part of the article led you to believe Lee is now on the market? What I garnered was that UNTIL and UNLESS Dolan boots Thomas out the door, David Lee is NOT on the table.

 

[nbrans]

Okay, what part of the article led you to believe Lee is now on the market? What I garnered was that UNTIL and UNLESS Dolan boots Thomas out the door, David Lee is NOT on the table.

I'm led to believe the Kings want Lee, not that he's available. I also lead myself to believe that Isiah is going to cave at some point. But that might be wishful thinking.

 

[VF21]

I think it's certain the Kings want David Lee. I also think it's pretty certain Isaiah Thomas is suffering from some kind of mental illness. What's not certain IMHO is why Dolan is keeping him around...

 

[nbrans]

I think it's certain the Kings want David Lee. I also think it's pretty certain Isaiah Thomas is suffering from some kind of mental illness. What's not certain IMHO is why Dolan is keeping him around...

Ha -- I think we're all hoping that the mental illness afflicting the Knicks is somehow ends up helping the Kings. Trading with Isiah did wonders for Phoenix, Orlando and Portland. Come onnnnnnn insanity!

 

[treewoman]

Ok - maybe this is a slight over exageration but -I would rather give Kenny Sainthood or eat zucchini everyday for the rest of my life or give up chocolate - than see any of the Knicks on our team. I truly have developed a complete and total lack of respect for Marbury and his cohorts this year. So my response is blech..... Double bleck and pooey

 

[sidney]

Okay, what part of the article led you to believe Lee is now on the market? What I garnered was that UNTIL and UNLESS Dolan boots Thomas out the door, David Lee is NOT on the table.

Lee is valued highly by NY but he's not a franchise player. Interesting thing about this article is that they may be interested in Bibby as well as Artest. It's one thing for the Knicks to fill one hole and create another but adding two significant upgrades at starting positions for one young non-starter and expirings/pick might end up swaying them. We'd clearly be giving more proven talent than we were getting.

 

[VF21]

It doens't matter if he's a franchise player or not. It matters that he could be an integral part of the future of the Sacramento Kings. And, for whatever reason, IT is not willing to part with him.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I think getting a 1st rounder from NY or clearing some much needed cap space should be more important than getting David Lee who while providing needed rebounding and good low post cleanup work, is still pretty bad defensively.

 

[venom_7]

That's really a terrible trade IMO. Talent-wise you are tajkin 35 cents for your dollar. Crawford is a terrible pickup, Marbury is a guaranteed lockerroom problem and you all are overrating Lee like no other. And unless the pick is Michael Beasley... I mean I'd be furious if that went down. Horrible.

 

[Vlade4GM]

I can't say I like taking back Crawford, I really don't like him. The dude is a chucker plain and simple, and he plays crap D.