Brandon Knight

[Bricklayer]

This is just mythology. IT isn't ball dominant. A zillion times he came down the floor, threw the one pass of the series to Gay or Cousins and they shot the ball. End of Story. There is no reason IT can't do what Parker does.

I think I disproved that claim back in season with a look at the new Time of Possession stats at NBA.com.

IT was 3rd in the entire league in Time of Possession behind John Wall and Rajon Rondo. That would kind of be ball dominant.

The difference being that while Rondo averaged 10.6ast/per 36, and 12.6FGA per 36, and Wall averaged 8.7ast/per36 and 16.2FGA per 36, IT averaged 6.5ast/per 36 and 15.8FGA per 36.

 

[Bricklayer]

You sure want to get rid of Ben don't you.

I suggest reasonable possibilities we might be looking at, and the Bucks might be looking at. They have an interest in Exum (PG). They have Giannis (SF). A shiny new Ben (SG) in between might make sense on a true rebuild.

And of course for us if we hope to become a better passing team putting a combo guard at SG is one way to do it. Putting a combo guard at PG is not.

As for Ben. Nice kid. Epically bad rookie season. Here's an amusing stat I have become aware of: Ben had a 7.7PER last year. League average is 15. And we played him 2187 minutes anyway. Only 5 players in NBA history have ever had a season where they had a PER that bad and still got so many minutes. One of those was aging Bruce Bowen. Another was Greg Kite for an expansion team. It was quite terrible, and getting that sort of non-production out of those sorts of minutes simply had to have cost us a number of wins all by itself. If we're trying to win next year, you simply cannot risk a repeat. Whether that means trading Ben or benching him behind a steadier hand while he figures it out, any attempt we make to turn it around is going to be dicey enough without an active impediment at SG.

 

[ParniValjak]

I will repeat the idle thought of the other thread that rather than trading our #8, which we may still do in another deal, its not 100% impossible we could think of swapping Ben for Knight as a SG. if the idea is we need more ballhandlers, and are looking for more experienced personnel. Knight at PG = poor ballhandling/passing. Knight at SG = good ballhandling/passing.

Or in the bigger and either more hopeful or more disastrous scenarios, Ben/Landry for Knight/Sanders. But I have no evidence of the above and don't claim to know what anyone is thinking.

Knight might be able to play some minutes at SG but he is too small to be a full time SG. Especially if you pair him with Thomas

 

[Bricklayer]

Knight might be able to play some minutes at SG but he is too small to be a full time SG. Especially if you pair him with Thomas

my general opinion as well. have little use for small weak guards.

but

1) Milwaulkee is having the same thought about Knight as a SG
2) it might be a McCallum pairing we are considering. PG for committee backcourt
3) Ben's actually only a little more than an inch taller, as was Thornton. but of course bulk factors in too
4) the league is rapidly running out of SGs worth worrying about in situations like that, maybe partially because they all play PG now and have figured out its easier to just bring the ball down and chuck then have to wait for that annoying PG to pass it to you first
5) we are in need of a ballhandling infusion. If you do have IT, he NEEDS help. Like for instance, Reke. Otherwise he's not enough point guard to run things himself.

 

[Albatros]

Interesting to read the thoughts of bucks fans on twitter they seem pretty upset (mostly) with the idea of moving Knight.

I don't see any world in which the FO move Ben in a deal like this though.

Hopefully JT or Carl as a throw in.

 

[ParniValjak]

my general opinion as well. have little use for small weak guards.

but

1) Milwaulkee is having the same thought about Knight as a SG
2) it might be a McCallum pairing we are considering. PG for committee backcourt
3) Ben's actually only a little more than an inch taller, as was Thornton. but of course bulk factors in too
4) the league is rapidly running out of SGs worth worrying about in situations like that, maybe partially because they all play PG now and have figured out its easier to just bring the ball down and chuck then have to wait for that annoying PG to pass it to you first
5) we are in need of a ballhandling infusion. If you do have IT, he NEEDS help. Like for instance, Reke. Otherwise he's not enough point guard to run things himself.

Not sure that Knight is the answer there. I would cringe every time he comes up against the like of Reke, Lance, Kobe, Harden etc... They would kille him.

I do agree that we really need more ball handling than we currently have but then again we need a fair bit of everything and I get the feeling that we are looking for a starting PG as we are unlikely to bring back IT.

 

[upinsmoke]

my general opinion as well. have little use for small weak guards.

but

1) Milwaulkee is having the same thought about Knight as a SG
2) it might be a McCallum pairing we are considering. PG for committee backcourt
3) Ben's actually only a little more than an inch taller, as was Thornton. but of course bulk factors in too
4) the league is rapidly running out of SGs worth worrying about in situations like that, maybe partially because they all play PG now and have figured out its easier to just bring the ball down and chuck then have to wait for that annoying PG to pass it to you first
5) we are in need of a ballhandling infusion. If you do have IT, he NEEDS help. Like for instance, Reke. Otherwise he's not enough point guard to run things himself.

HERE I COME TO SAVE THE DAY!

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Would you ?

Isaiah Thomas and Ramon Sessions can't be traded anymore because their contracts are up, so this trade doesn't work by rule.

 

[Albatros]

Somehow the Magic are the winners of that trade according to Hollinger.

 

[upinsmoke]

Somehow the Magic are the winners of that trade according to Hollinger.

They should really get rid of that feature on the trade machine it's complete b.s.

 

[Kingster]

I think I disproved that claim back in season with a look at the new Time of Possession stats at NBA.com.

IT was 3rd in the entire league in Time of Possession behind John Wall and Rajon Rondo. That would kind of be ball dominant.

The difference being that while Rondo averaged 10.6ast/per 36, and 12.6FGA per 36, and Wall averaged 8.7ast/per36 and 16.2FGA per 36, IT averaged 6.5ast/per 36 and 15.8FGA per 36.

What was he before and after Gay? To talk about ball dominant and not make the distinction is deceiving at best. Before Gay, you're darned right he was ball dominant; only he and Cousins could score. But ball dominant isn't spots on a leapard. Different personnel combinations are a factor in ball dominance. After Gay arrived, that ball dominance dramatically decreased, and anybody that thinks differntly wasn't watching the games, just a re-run in their own minds.

By the way, after Gay arrived I saw the same ONE-PASS-ISO offense when McCallum was in the game. Both he and IT made the "one pass". The black holes were Gay and Cousins.

 

[mac]

What was he before and after Gay? To talk about ball dominant and not make the distinction is deceiving at best. Before Gay, you're darned right he was ball dominant; only he and Cousins could score. But ball dominant isn't spots on a leapard. Different personnel combinations are a factor in ball dominance. After Gay arrived, that ball dominance dramatically decreased, and anybody that thinks differntly wasn't watching the games, just a re-run in their own minds.

By the way, after Gay arrived I saw the same ONE-PASS-ISO offense when McCallum was in the game. Both he and IT made the "one pass". The black holes were Gay and Cousins.

I'm not sure a rookie second round pick who didn't play the first 2/3 of the season is someone we want to be benchmarking our starting PG against

 

[Bricklayer]

-- One rumor floating around is the Sixers offering their No. 3 overall pick and forward Thaddeus Young to the Cavs for the first overall selection. The Sixers are supposedly enamored by Wiggins. In that scenario, if true, the Cavs would come away with Young and probably Parker.

Wasn't sure where to put this, but this blurb from the Cavs beat reporter (Bob Finnan) was of interest. a "one rumor floating around" rumor is pretty damn weak, but still...interesting.

1) if such a thing were to happen, and Milwaulkee is sitting at #2, could you make a run at that pick, and Embiid, if Milwaukee is wary of his back? With the normal #8/Ben package? They are exactly looking for a young SG.

2) if instead they do the smart thing and take Embiid, wouldn't that greatly up the likelihood of them moving Sanders alone or as part of a package?

 

[Chupacabra]

Wasn't sure where to put this, but this blurb from the Cavs beat reporter (Bob Finnan) was of interest. a "one rumor floating around" rumor is pretty damn weak, but still...interesting.

1) if such a thing were to happen, and Milwaulkee is sitting at #2, could you make a run at that pick, and Embiid, if Milwaukee is wary of his back? With the normal #8/Ben package? They are exactly looking for a young SG.

2) if instead they do the smart thing and take Embiid, wouldn't that greatly up the likelihood of them moving Sanders alone or as part of a package?

A very interesting thought indeed. We need to start hoping that the Bucks draft Embiid!

 

[Dime Dropper]

A very interesting thought indeed. We need to start hoping that the Bucks draft Embiid!

If we'd hope for anything in that scenario, it'd be that they trade back with us so we can take Embiid. Won't happen though.

 

[bajaden]

What was he before and after Gay? To talk about ball dominant and not make the distinction is deceiving at best. Before Gay, you're darned right he was ball dominant; only he and Cousins could score. But ball dominant isn't spots on a leapard. Different personnel combinations are a factor in ball dominance. After Gay arrived, that ball dominance dramatically decreased, and anybody that thinks differntly wasn't watching the games, just a re-run in their own minds.

By the way, after Gay arrived I saw the same ONE-PASS-ISO offense when McCallum was in the game. Both he and IT made the "one pass". The black holes were Gay and Cousins.

The difference was, McCallum did it earlier in the clock. Only when his own number was called did he eat any clock. IT is a clock eater, and I love IT. That doesn't make IT a bad player. He is who he is, but you tell me how many times IT drove into the lane, and then passed the ball to a perimeter player, or a cutter near the basket. I would bet you that about 85% of the time that IT drove the lane, he was trying to score. Great PG's live in the lane. That's where their bread and butter is. So while IT was good at getting into the lane, he didn't do much passing when he got there.

 

[randymoss1881]

The more I read into the defensive perfonrmence Sanders did last year the more I'm willing to do a Ben/8/landry for Knight/sanders/31.

Sanders was a better paint defender than Ibaka, Noah, Chandler, and 3ns to hibbert. We saw how Ibaka presence/ non presence was in the spurs series. A paint defender like that can take our defense from mediocre to good and good to great. On offense spacing wouldn't change that much cause he would be the same type as Evans so DMC can still operate in the paint.

Knight also isn't that bad of a get when combined with Sanders. He has shot 43-43- and 46 from 2point line 38-36-32 from 3s. Shooting 46% from 2s this year is very good considering what trash he had around him in Milwaukee it should definetly go up or stay there playing along side DMC/Gay. He is also a very good shooter so we won't be loosing that but what he has that Ben will never have is ball handling. Knight also rates as an above average.

I think the question would be do we think Ben/8 (Gordon,Payton,Stauskas) can reach there potential and be a good fit. Be Sanders going back to an Elite defender with knight being a 3-D SG who can creat for the 2nd unite as well.

 

[gunks]

Sanders was an even BETTER paint protector the year previous to last....Dude was actually looking like a bigger Ben Wallace.

But alas, he was playing for a contract....

I'd still rather have an overpaid Sanders than a overpaid Landry (assuming PDA can some how con the Buck's GM into taking that albatross of a contract in our theorized Ben/8/Landry for Knight/Sanders trade).

Sanders will probably tick off either Cousins or Malone (probably both) with his antics though...He makes Ron Artes- err..Metta World Peace look sane.... But if he can manage to pull his head out of his *** we have a 3 block per game big next to Cousins. Thats huge.

 

[Sac.1989]

we should be doing all we can to bring in a defensive fit next to boogie. Its a priority which needs to be addressed

 

[upinsmoke]

 

[KingMilz]

we should be doing all we can to bring in a defensive fit next to boogie. Its a priority which needs to be addressed

It is without doubt the BIGGEST priority we need tot address, PG's are easy to find the planet is filled with them, big men who are elite defenders and can finish around the rim not so much.

 

[Kingster]

The difference was, McCallum did it earlier in the clock. Only when his own number was called did he eat any clock. IT is a clock eater, and I love IT. That doesn't make IT a bad player. He is who he is, but you tell me how many times IT drove into the lane, and then passed the ball to a perimeter player, or a cutter near the basket. I would bet you that about 85% of the time that IT drove the lane, he was trying to score. Great PG's live in the lane. That's where their bread and butter is. So while IT was good at getting into the lane, he didn't do much passing when he got there.

When? Before or after the Gay trade? Before the Gay trade IT was looking to score like crazy. Why? Because coach Malone told him to be aggressive. Anybody who thinks that IT was out on the floor contradicting the coaching orders of Malone needs to re-think what they think of Malone: Either he's a no-nonsense coach as his personna conveys, or he's a wuss that allowed IT to run over him like a 16-wheeler. Which is it? After the Gay trade, IT repeatedly came up the floor with the ball and passed to Cousins or Gay who proceeded to shoot the ball: One-Pass-Iso (OPI) offense. Cousins and Gay were the black holes; not IT. Post-Gay, IT dialed it back considerably as he went through a period of trying to figure out when to be "aggressive" with the new lineup and when not to be "aggressive" with the new lineup. By all accounts, IT and Malone talked after every game and IT was very receptive to what Malone wanted. The same OPI offense occured whether IT was on the floor or McCallum when both Cousins and Gay were on the floor. So if the same theme occurred without as IT as with IT, the logical conclusion is that the OPI offense wasn't the result of IT.

 

[upinsmoke]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014...knights-whole-body-stopped-working-in-mid-air


muhahahaha

 

[hrdboild]

http://www.sbnation.com/lookit/2014...knights-whole-body-stopped-working-in-mid-air


muhahahaha

Since we're playing Memphis today, maybe Brandon Knight can bring us some good luck.

 

[sdballer]

A few Bucks fans actually love the idea of Knight/Mayo/Henson for Nik/Dwill/Sessions.

 

[randymoss1881]

A few Bucks fans actually love the idea of Knight/Mayo/Henson for Nik/Dwill/Sessions.

No way they accept that knight/mayo have been good they don't give up both plus Henson for Nik

 

[Tetsujin]

A few Bucks fans actually love the idea of Knight/Mayo/Henson for Nik/Dwill/Sessions.

May as well just have them throw in the Greek Freak if they're going to accept us tossing the three guys who've struggle the most for us this season at them.

 

[KingMilz]

Jason Kidd by reports loves Knight as does management I doubt they move him.

 

[randymoss1881]

Nuggets should be sellers by mid December with a strong schedule and they are plain bad. I'd like to get either McGee or Afflalo.

 

[KingMilz]

Nuggets should be sellers by mid December with a strong schedule and they are plain bad. I'd like to get either McGee or Afflalo.

I would prefer Wilson Chandler off the bench as the back up SF/SG or Khris MIddleton who has inexplicably fallen out of the Bucks rotation.