Bonzi onboard, who do we go after for PF?
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Exactly, Kevin Garnet didnt start playing as a starter
. The preseason is perfect period to earn the spot,,, who knows what fate will have on store¡¡¡ I prefer Bonzi as backup, but this is only my opinion, not a stiff truth
. The preseason is perfect period to earn the spot,,, who knows what fate will have on store¡¡¡ I prefer Bonzi as backup, but this is only my opinion, not a stiff truth
But yeah, who knows what Garcia will do in pre-season. I don't think he'll become a league sensation from it, but he could definitely impress enough to get more minutes than planned.
Uh....getting back to the subject...After surveying the leagues Power Forwards and seeing which team has an abundance several things stand out. Many teams now (after FA season and the draft) have as many as four PF with several having 2 vets and 2 rookies which seems to say that they weren't comfortable with the status of the two incumbants and drafted a couple more or they're stocking up for the future. Also, there aren't a lot of talented attainable PF's out there since there is such a dearth of strong, athletic, shot-blocking rebounders available...the Okafors and Howards are like gold. Which brings me to my point. Since we are now overloaded with swingmen (Bonzi, Martin, Garcia) and that position as well as SF is the easiest to fill in the NBA how about we trade Martin or Garcia to Golden State who need outside shooting/swingmen for one of there PF's like Diogu or Taft? Each is a gamble but each has a great upside and we wouldn't be giving up much of our current teams makeup to get them.
A more obtainable one from Charlotte is Malik Allen. He is a unrestricted FA.
Perhaps they would consider a S&T, getting back a good mature locker room person for their young team. I'm not sure of their salary cap situation since they are under those new franchise special provisions which I don't remember the details on..
Perhaps they would consider a S&T, getting back a good mature locker room person for their young team. I'm not sure of their salary cap situation since they are under those new franchise special provisions which I don't remember the details on..
According to Real GM, Thomas & Skinner OR Corliss, Skinner and KMart for Magloire works under the cap.
I'm not quite sure why the Hornets would WANT to trade Magloire, but there's sure a lot of noise out there about a potential deal.
I have to believe the Kings could offer a more atttractive package than, say, the Raptors, who want Magloire because he's Canadian.
If the Kings could get Magloire without giving up K. Thomas, they'd have a nice three-man rotation at PF/C with Thomas, Miller and Magloire -- plus, I'd hope, Songaila.
All that being said, I'd wager a nickel that they somehow end up with Walker.
I'm not quite sure why the Hornets would WANT to trade Magloire, but there's sure a lot of noise out there about a potential deal.
I have to believe the Kings could offer a more atttractive package than, say, the Raptors, who want Magloire because he's Canadian.
If the Kings could get Magloire without giving up K. Thomas, they'd have a nice three-man rotation at PF/C with Thomas, Miller and Magloire -- plus, I'd hope, Songaila.
All that being said, I'd wager a nickel that they somehow end up with Walker.
If the Warriors wanted Garcia instead of Diogu, they would have drafted him.
If the Kings wanted Taft instead of Garcia, they would have drafted him.
I like Diogu, but the Kings would have to pony up a lot more than Martin or Garcia, and I don't think he solves enough of the team's problems at PF to make that kind of deal.
As for the Bobcats, there's a reason they need players. It's deliberate. They are building their team exactly the way I would if I had an expansion team. They doing it through the draft and taking kids who have been winners on the college level. They've conserved their cap space and aren't blowing it on guys who aren't difference makers. It's true that they are still handicapped by the expansion rules, but they still have a ton of cash to throw around if they wanted to. I think they've been smart not to.
The last thing they would consider would be to ship off one of their cornerstones in Okafor, in exchange for aging and undersized PFs with bad contracts. It just isn't going to happen.
I'm not a big Sean May fan, but I understand the pick. Bickerstaff feels he and Okafor can play together for now, and my guess is that they hope May will eventually become a valuable sub. Thus when they get ahold of a true center, it will give them a solid frontcourt rotation.
If the Kings wanted Taft instead of Garcia, they would have drafted him.
I like Diogu, but the Kings would have to pony up a lot more than Martin or Garcia, and I don't think he solves enough of the team's problems at PF to make that kind of deal.
As for the Bobcats, there's a reason they need players. It's deliberate. They are building their team exactly the way I would if I had an expansion team. They doing it through the draft and taking kids who have been winners on the college level. They've conserved their cap space and aren't blowing it on guys who aren't difference makers. It's true that they are still handicapped by the expansion rules, but they still have a ton of cash to throw around if they wanted to. I think they've been smart not to.
The last thing they would consider would be to ship off one of their cornerstones in Okafor, in exchange for aging and undersized PFs with bad contracts. It just isn't going to happen.
I'm not a big Sean May fan, but I understand the pick. Bickerstaff feels he and Okafor can play together for now, and my guess is that they hope May will eventually become a valuable sub. Thus when they get ahold of a true center, it will give them a solid frontcourt rotation.
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The Hornets are shopping Magloire because HE wants out. The team has fallen into full blown rebuilding mode and is willing to move him, but I'm guessing they want some young guys with potential in return. The only piece in your proposed trade that fits that bill is Martin, and the Hornets already have a kid they like at SG in J.R. Smith so I doubt they'd be all that interested in Special K, especially as he hasn't proved much on the court yet.
I've mentioned previously that after I heard the Raptors selection of Villaneuva, I thought a deal was in place for Magloire, since Chucky V would seem to be a better fit for the Hornets as Toronto already has Bosh at the PF.
In any event, I don't see the Kings getting Magloire unless they are willing to move Peja for him, and I think that would be severly overpaying on the Kings part.
I've mentioned previously that after I heard the Raptors selection of Villaneuva, I thought a deal was in place for Magloire, since Chucky V would seem to be a better fit for the Hornets as Toronto already has Bosh at the PF.
In any event, I don't see the Kings getting Magloire unless they are willing to move Peja for him, and I think that would be severly overpaying on the Kings part.
TheBigO,
What do you think about Malik Allen? The kings wouldn't have to do a S&T for him and his going price could be pretty low. I don't remember his stats but they didn't seem to shabby and his bio looked like he could be a good fit.
He isn't a big name and you barely see his name mentioned. I think I have only seen one or two teams mentioned that are looking at him.
What do you think about Malik Allen? The kings wouldn't have to do a S&T for him and his going price could be pretty low. I don't remember his stats but they didn't seem to shabby and his bio looked like he could be a good fit.
He isn't a big name and you barely see his name mentioned. I think I have only seen one or two teams mentioned that are looking at him.
Rasheed Wallace! Yeah, he is about as untouchable as it comes in respect to a trade or anything. But am I the only one who thinks that is the type of player the Kings would want?
I have been an avid reader of these boards for some time now. To my surprise I have never even heard anyone fantisize about this option. He can hit the outside 3 with regularity, he is an awsome defender/shot blocker, and has a versitle post game.
Anyway, sorry my first post on these boards was on such a tangent. Its just something I have been pondering for some time.
I have been an avid reader of these boards for some time now. To my surprise I have never even heard anyone fantisize about this option. He can hit the outside 3 with regularity, he is an awsome defender/shot blocker, and has a versitle post game.
Anyway, sorry my first post on these boards was on such a tangent. Its just something I have been pondering for some time.
Malik Allen a tweener? I'll admit I haven't seen much of his play if any. If I did, I surely wasn't paying attention as wether or not the Kings would want him.
The only way he would be a tweener is if he plays small. He is listed at 6'10" 255lbs.
Again, I am just basing this on stats and they may be misleading since he was playing on a less than good team.
The only way he would be a tweener is if he plays small. He is listed at 6'10" 255lbs.
Again, I am just basing this on stats and they may be misleading since he was playing on a less than good team.
First, welcome to the board.
We DID discuss Sheed last year, but you're right in your comment above that he's about as untouchable as they come...
We may deal in less than realistic expectations, like my comments about Kevin Garnett, but I really don't see Sheed leaving. He's found a niche and it looks as though it's working quite well for all concerned...
We DID discuss Sheed last year, but you're right in your comment above that he's about as untouchable as they come...
We may deal in less than realistic expectations, like my comments about Kevin Garnett, but I really don't see Sheed leaving. He's found a niche and it looks as though it's working quite well for all concerned...
Hey If theo ratliff is let go by portland With the new cba allowing them to waive him. Do you guys think we should try and get him if he comes cheaper then what he is now. I mean i think he'd be a nice addition starter or not. I know people have talked about trades for him But i wouldn't want the contract he has right now, But ive been reading that portland is considering just letting him go. I think he' d be worth 3 to 4 mil a year what do you guys think. Sorry if someone already said this i didn't read all the posts on this thread.
You get what you pay for. Magloire is reportedly being pursued by several teams. We aren't going to get him for two bags of chips and a open jar of salsa. At this point, if we're going to get a starting caliber player for the PF position, it is - IMHO - going to take at least one of our "core" to get the job done. We just don't have a lot of spare trading parts hanging around that other teams seem to be clamoring for.
Have you heard ANY rumors of any team looking at our roster and trying to figure out how to swing a deal for Kenny Thomas or Brian Skinner or Corliss Williamson?
Have you heard ANY rumors of any team looking at our roster and trying to figure out how to swing a deal for Kenny Thomas or Brian Skinner or Corliss Williamson?
I like Malik Allen, and as a roleplayer I think he would fit nicely into the Kings offense. He's a good shooter (although streaky) for a big man, an average rebounder and a decent shotblocker.
That being said, the Kings need a bonafide starter at the PF spot and not depth, which is what Allen could provide. He is too streaky a shooter to be an effective offensive threat and he is limited to a turnaround jumper in the post. What the Kings really need is an athletic guy who is either a great rebounder or an intimidating shotblocker (ideally both, but I don't see anyone on the market) and Allen just isn't a standout in that way. He was only a starter for one year of his career and he put up an underwhelming 10 & 5 for the season.
The Kings don't need a deeper rotation, they need a starter, and Allen simply isn't better than Kenny Thomas, Darius Songaila (if re-signed) or Brian Skinner. I'd pass.
That being said, the Kings need a bonafide starter at the PF spot and not depth, which is what Allen could provide. He is too streaky a shooter to be an effective offensive threat and he is limited to a turnaround jumper in the post. What the Kings really need is an athletic guy who is either a great rebounder or an intimidating shotblocker (ideally both, but I don't see anyone on the market) and Allen just isn't a standout in that way. He was only a starter for one year of his career and he put up an underwhelming 10 & 5 for the season.
The Kings don't need a deeper rotation, they need a starter, and Allen simply isn't better than Kenny Thomas, Darius Songaila (if re-signed) or Brian Skinner. I'd pass.
Has anyone seen any good PF prospects in the summer leagues? If not we may have to resign ourselves to a PF by committee aproach depending on the matchups we encounter. I said earlier this summer that I wouldn't be at all surprised if our re-loading program might take 2 or more years to return to our '02 level. Hope GP proves me wrong.
The problem with that (2 or more years) is simply that our core is too old for that type of timeframe. If you're going to take years getting it together, then you need to break up the core NOW. In three years they are 30,31,32 and MIGHT have a year or two left in them where they could possibly contend. So you do all the work of reloading...only to almost immediately have to tear it all down and start over yet again.