Big Trade Rumor

[LA King Fan II]

Agreed on Artest's limited worth. His shot selection is poor, his defense and offense are based more on strength than brains or skill, and he doesn't play within a team concept with or without the ball. Good at the park, lousy for a team.

In fact that's what seems the simple explanation for the Kings inactivity and the failure of deals time after time. They simply don't have players that anyone else wants. Maybe Martin had some value in the summer, but I'm not even sure he could get minutes on a team like Dallas, San Antonio, Phoenix or the Lakers for that matter. He certainly can't be a #1 option for a team hoping to content. Ditto for Bibby.

Don't know the solution, for a few minutes it was cheery to think the Kings were clearing some crap out of the driveway.

 

[AriesMar27]

but that was funny how brown was incuded in the trade... i was like wait... that doesnt sound right...

 

[Vlade4GM]

I'm confused -- are you saying that Crittenton is more valuable than Farmar? I would think they value Farmar more since he's ahead of him in the rotation.

But maybe it's Crittenton -- he definitely looked good in summer league.

Believe me, they value Crittenton much more. Bigger, more athletic, and more scoring ability. They like Farmar a lot and he's more far along in his development than Crit, but they see Crit as the much better player down the line.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Damn. I went to class at 2:15 thinking something was up, am distracted the whole time, and come out with this at the end. Shoulda known better...

 

['89 Kings Fan]

Ben Wallace and Artest

Who would knowingly put Wallace and Artest together? Did Mitch forget about that little incident in Detroit? This is like those rumors putting Stephen Jackson and Artest back together.

 

[Gargamel]

I'm confused -- are you saying that Crittenton is more valuable than Farmar? I would think they value Farmar more since he's ahead of him in the rotation.

But maybe it's Crittenton -- he definitely looked good in summer league.

In Phil Jackson's world, they value tri experience over anything, including athleticism (need I point out that Cook, Sasha, Rush, Slava, Devean weren't dumped right after the first year?) Crittenton didn't play last night, Farmar did. Crittenton also had a couple nice games in the preseason. He's definitely a slick player if nothing else, capable of some oohs and aahs if given minutes (and no pressure).

 

[nbrans]

Amick (sort of) confirms the rumors:

Trade talks

Still learning more, but two sources close to the Kings confirmed that there were trade talks with Chicago sometime recently. And considering the rumors that sprouted from a Chicago radio station had the Kings as part of a three-team deal sending the Lakers' Kobe Bryant to Chicago, it only makes sense. The Kings are ripe to be involved in a Bryant deal, with plenty of pieces they're willing to move and looking for a variety of pieces from legitimate help to salary cap relief. The talk - not sourced talk, just talk - is that the deal may have sent Ron Artest to the Lakers and brought either Ben Gordon and maybe even Joakim Noah to the Kings. Whatever the pieces, it does not appear to be anywhere close to close to happening and appears to have been quiet for at least a few days. - Sam Amick

http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs/sports/kings/archives/008843.html

 

[Merdiesel]

Just seen on TV they had us getting Gordon and PJ Brown...

They also said it wasn't going threw because of Kobes contract.

 

[Merdiesel]

Who would knowingly put Wallace and Artest together? Did Mitch forget about that little incident in Detroit? This is like those rumors putting Stephen Jackson and Artest back together.

Artest and Wallace have already buried the hatchet. Those Two on the same team would be ridiculous on D. If Artest isn't picking you, Big Ben is throwing your **** to the bleachers. Honestly, them two alone would make the lakers one of the best defensive teams in the league instantly.

 

[nbrans]

I could actually see the PJ Brown thing not being a mistake and it actually helping get the deal done because it creates an expiring contract (it would technically be a three year deal but only one guaranteed). Something like:

Chicago outgoing:
Kirk Hinrich
Ben Gordon
Tyrus Thomas
PJ Brown (S&T 1 year guaranteed @ $5,000,000)

Chicago incoming:
Kobe

LA outgoing:
Kobe

LA incoming:
Gordon
Artest
Hinrich

Sac outgoing:
Artest

Sac incoming:
PJ Brown
Tyrus Thomas

 

[LPKingsFan]

I could actually see the PJ Brown thing not being a mistake and it actually helping get the deal done because it creates an expiring contract (it would technically be a three year deal but only one guaranteed). Something like:

Chicago outgoing:
Kirk Hinrich
Ben Gordon
Tyrus Thomas
PJ Brown (S&T 1 year guaranteed @ $5,000,000)

Chicago incoming:
Kobe

LA outgoing:
Kobe

LA incoming:
Gordon
Artest
Hinrich

Sac outgoing:
Artest

Sac incoming:
PJ Brown
Tyrus Thomas

Not bad. Would imagine that Lakers would have to send the Bulls either Farmar or Critt, considering the Bulls would only have Duhon left at the point after trading both Gordon and Hinrich.

 

[Fear the Putin]

Im sure Kobe vetoed anything that he didnt like with his ridiculous no-trade clause...
That should be forbidden for players. Why on earth would you ever offer that to someone?

 

[mac]

Because it's kobe and he's the best player in the NBA. But why on earth would we want PJ Brown? For like lets see KT SAR Jwill Watkins Moore Brown 6 Power forwards? Oh i see the plan. So ok sar off the bench as 6th man, kt at pt guard cos he's the fastest, jwill at center, watkins at F, mikki at SG cos he can shoot.

 

[Gary]

Because it's kobe and he's the best player in the NBA. But why on earth would we want PJ Brown? For like lets see KT SAR Jwill Watkins Moore Brown 6 Power forwards? Oh i see the plan. So ok sar off the bench as 6th man, kt at pt guard cos he's the fastest, jwill at center, watkins at F, mikki at SG cos he can shoot.

I would rather have PJ Brown starting than any of the PF listed in your post. PJ is heads and shoulders better. This way we can cut Watkins, tell KT to go home. Put SAR on IR for the rest of the year, hopefully bring back JW once his issue is over and done...

We could probably use Gordon/Martin in the back court, but it would worry me if when Bibby came back we used a Bibby/Gordon/K-Mart pg/sg/sf. At least with Martin, and Gordon back there we could use a point forward type player in Salmons, or Garcia to bring the ball up. But yah.... Gordon wouldn't probably be a good fit here unless we used him as trade bait in the future. I know of a lot of teams that could use a guy like Gordon.

 

[LPKingsFan]

PJ would come with cash to pay a buyout so he could go to a contender. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Gary]

PJ would come with cash to pay a buyout so he could go to a contender. Nothing more, nothing less.

I find that to be a bit odd. If he came here he would immediately become the best PF we have. Why not use him, and buy out SAR, and KT?

 

[LPKingsFan]

I find that to be a bit odd. If he came here he would immediately become the best PF we have. Why not use him, and buy out SAR, and KT?

An interesting idea, but I doubt he would even report to the team. I think he's holding out for a contender, if he's even interested in playing at all.

 

[Gary]

Sucks he wouldn't even want to play for us. Oh well.

 

[Ryan]

They just said on sportscenter that the trade is dead.

 

[BMiller52]

They just said on sportscenter that the trade is dead.

No Butcher said the teams were going to keep talking.

 

[Jerichoholic]

It's the Lakers that are holding things up, they want Luol Deng instead of Ben Wallace...I don't blame them. I know they don't expect to get equal value for Bryant but Wallace and Artest are pennies on the dollar.

 

[Bricklayer]

It's the Lakers that are holding things up, they want Luol Deng instead of Ben Wallace...I don't blame them. I know they don't expect to get equal value for Bryant but Wallace and Artest are pennies on the dollar.

It occurs to me that the deal that Sportscenter says is dead is NOT the same deal that was originally reported. In fact the deal that Sportcenter says is dead SHOULD be dead. It generally sucks all around. The initial reported deal (involving Artest, Heinrich, Gordon) was a far better piece of work for just about everyone, especially us. What the hell would we do wiht another high scoring tweener shooting OG like Gordon? And one who's deal is up after this year and who will be looking for as much as Kevin? Thank you, but no thank you.

 

[NyfdRIP343]

it could work out for all 3-teams. I would love to get our hands on Tyrus Thomas, yet he is 6'8 his athleticism is ridiculous. We'll see what happens, but i do like Geoff getting involved. Who else from the Bulls would you like to see in a Kings uniform realistically?

 

[HndsmCelt]

This is why I despise trade roumers. Every hack writer pretneds to be an insider and takes what ever kernel of truth they find and plant it in a garden of supositions, guess work and lies, then know it all fans speculate on the garbage. Might as well talk aobut how Sasquash killed the deal beceause the Loch Ness Monster was over priced and they are holding out untill some decent landing stirps for Elvis' UFO.

 

[kennadog]

Might as well talk aobut how Sasquash killed the deal beceause the Loch Ness Monster was over priced and they are holding out untill some decent landing stirps for Elvis' UFO.

Link, please.

 

[nebs]

Sasquash have terrible hygiene, from what I've heard, from.. sources. B.O. bad breath. Terrible. No wonder the deal is dead.

 

[BawLa]

Blockbuster!!!!!!

There is no way in hell this happens, because it is just too good for us to be true. It rids us of our pain and it doesn't include Artest. Anyway, here it goes...

NOTE TO MODS: Sorry if you wanted me to put this in the other thread.

Chicago Bulls:

Outgoing:
Ben Gordon
Kirk Heinrich
Ben Wallace
Viktor Khryapa

Incoming:
Kobe Bryant
Brad Miller
Jordan Farmar
Kenny Thomas

Why they do it: Getting the best player in the game means you have to take on some burden. That burden is Miller and KT and it shouldn't hurt as much next to Kobe. Miller's deficiencies can be compensated and he can provide extra offense. KT gets pushed to the end of the bench but doesn't complain because he will be playing for something. He may even look better in the East. Farmar will help at PG.

Why they don't: Lotsa reasons.

New Lineup:

Duhon\Farmar
Kobe\Sefolosha
Niocioni\Griffin
Ty.Thomas\Noah\KT
Miller\Smith\Gray

That looks pretty dangerous in the East. It could compete for the next 3 years which is basically what you are trying to do if you acquire Kobe.

Los Angeles Lakers:

Outgoing:
Kobe Bryant
Jordan Farmar
Kwame Brown

Incoming:
Mike Bibby
Ben Gordon
Luol Deng
Shareef Abdur-Rahim

Why they do it: They basically have to trade Kobe, so getting some nice pieces in return is a huge plus, at least while they have the leverage. Upgrading at PG and SF is the least they could expect for Kobe, and Gordon and Reef will help.

Why they don't: They might be able to do better???

New Lineup:

Bibby\Fisher\Critt
Duhon\SCRUBS
Deng\Walton\Radman
Odom\Cook\Turiaf
Bynum\SAR\Mihm

Anytime you remove a superstar the team will go through a shock. Bibby will be back at the end of that shock and their success will depend on the continued development of Bynum, plus the acclimation of the newcomers to the triangle. They actually make out pretty good money-wise here too which would give them flexibility in the free agent market.


Sacramento Kings:

Outgoing:
Brad Miller
Mike Bibby
Shareef Abdur-Rahim
Kenny Thomas

Incoming:
Kirk Hinrich
Ben Wallace
Viktor Khryapa
Kwame Brown

Why we do it: Umm, really? Getting rid of those 4 guys in one fell swoop would kinda speed up the rebuilding process. The incoming is gold comparitavely and it addresses all of our problems. Clearly we make out like bandits. We would basically be turning Miller and SAR into 1 more defensively productive Center with the same size contract and we would be turning Kenny and Bibby into a young talented PG and an expiring big man that can rebound.

Why we don't: Are you kidding? Artest + Wallace = nuclear holocaust...or really badass defense.

New Lineup:

Hinrich\Douby\Greene
Martin\Salmons\Garcia\Douby
Artest\Salmons\Garcia
Moore\Khryapa\Watkins
Wallace\Brown\Hawes

*or we waive Greene and keep Williams

I'd take the chance that Wallace and Artest don't rip the team apart to see that team leave it all on the floor every night. All of a sudden interior defense and rebounding are not our biggest worries.



The trade works and things can be tinkered. It is too massive of a trade to actually go down. But damn wouldn't that be cool for us.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...eams=23~4~4~13~13~23~23~23~13~13~4~4&te=&cash=

 

[kyo2002]

I don't really care as long as the Kings get some piece of the pie. Wallace and Artest, now that's funny.

 

[BawLa]

I don't really care as long as the Kings get some piece of the pie. Wallace and Artest, now that's funny.

I know. That is the real pickle.

Maybe you could do a follow up trade with NY:

Artest

for

Balkman
Expirings (waived)
1st rounder

 

[kyo2002]

Almost missed it the first time around, there's something wrong with Bibby and Fisher being teammates. It cringes my nerve.