Amick: Kings hoping to trade up or down

[Dime Dropper]

Seeing the #20 and #27 get traded away is a little frustrating...I really hope Petrie can pull something off on draft day...something! It's been tough as a fan to see the past few summers treated as same ol' same ol' - draft pick/MLE/extension/late summer 'scrub' signing - when it was clear that rebuilding needed to start a while ago. Now's the time for action!

Unfortunately, I believe that the #12 is a risky/undesirable spot with potential busts like Randolph, Greene and roleplayers like Darrell Arthur...I see a lot more "safe bets" in the late teens/early 20s (excluding McGee, Jordan of course)...really wish we could add a pick in that range.

Hopefully, we can package our second rounders and a player or two for a second first round pick in the 18-25 range.

Seriously, don't get your hopes up. It's not worth it. Petrie never does anything on draft night, and I don't expect him to here. And if he does, I'd expect it to be very underwhelming eg. trading this years pick for a pick next year. Even if he does manage to trade up, I honestly think he'll take Alexander.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Yeah, his ballhandling and ability to create for OTHERS (an almoist unknown trait amongst our current Kings) on the break is impressive for a man his size. And he's not afraid of the post or going inside at all. At least against college guys. But you do have to worry about that body a little, just in that there's no natural bulk potential there. Some guys you see them, maybe just because these guys are all such freaks of nature, where they have the big frame, big shoulders, and are jsut skeltally skinny. But Randolph has a fairly narrow frame, not particularly broad shoulders, and so ever getting enough strength to bang and hold his own against the full grown men populating the interior in the NBA is a real question.

His weight is the only reason he might be available at 12. I think at the position we're picking, I'd take a flyer on that kind of all around ability.

 

[Dime Dropper]

His weight is the only reason he might be available at 12. I think at the position we're picking, I'd take a flyer on that kind of all around ability.

Weight may be one of the reasons, but it's certainly not the only reason he may be available at 12. Let's not kid ourselves, he has alot of question marks.
But as I said, the talent is certainly there and I'd really like him as our pick.

 

[Tarindel]

I don't think a trade is going to happen. But it looks like Indiana might be trading O'Neal for TJ Ford+17, which would mean Indiana doesn't need a PG and may not pick Augustin at 11, which is where most drafts have him projected as going. That would probably mean we can get him at 12.

Source of trade info: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...jermaineonealtraded062508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

 

[Dime Dropper]

I'd be ecstatic with Augustin at 12. I don't think he'll be there even if that trade does go down, but I think he can be special, despite his size. He looks amazing in this workout http://youtube.com/watch?v=oFwzQG-41aM

He reminds me of CP3.

 

[Kingster]

Everything there makes sense -- trying to move up or down, Salmons as potential bait to do so, even Randolph as the potential guy just based on upside etc. -- except that there is no other single team we could trade with who could give us multiple picks. Well Portland now, I suppose. But since they are already at #13, do not see why they would do it just to get to #12.

It is possible the message is garbled a bit, and that we would be interested in using Salmons and our pick to move up. Or Salmons alone to get a second pick later.

No, it doesn't make sense, Brick. Petrie has never traded up or down in the draft. I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[C Diddy]

I'd be ecstatic with Augustin at 12. I don't think he'll be there even if that trade does go down, but I think he can be special, despite his size. He looks amazing in this workout http://youtube.com/watch?v=oFwzQG-41aM

He reminds me of CP3.

I think its a stretch to think he will be as good as Paul, but the first player I thought of when I watched highlights of Augustin is Mike Bibby. I think that is a reasonable projection for Augustin too.

He's my hope for the Kings at #12.

 

[Kingster]

I think its a stretch to think he will be as good as Paul, but the first player I thought of when I watched highlights of Augustin is Mike Bibby. I think that is a reasonable projection for Augustin too.

He's my hope for the Kings at #12.

We would have the worst defensive backcourt in the NBA if we picked Augustin. And even though I think he can play, that game against Memphis really bothers me. When he went against a long athletic team, like he's going to against every night in the NBA, he wilted.

 

[Rockmeister]

I think its a stretch to think he will be as good as Paul, but the first player I thought of when I watched highlights of Augustin is Mike Bibby. I think that is a reasonable projection for Augustin too.

So in other words, Augustin doesn't play defense?

 

[C Diddy]

Of course not, if he did, he wouldn't be available at #12. Also, I think his penetration ability, his running one handers, and general distribution ability is a lot like Mike Bibby.

 

[Jerichoholic]

DraftExpress is reporting that it's likely Portland has finally found a trading partner for the #13 and instead of moving down they may moving up to #10.

The rumored trade is that Portland would send Jarrett Jack and #13 to New Jersey for Marcus Williams and the #10 which in turn Portland would steal the remaining PG knowing that PG would in no way make it past both Indiana and Sacramento.

Link: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Denver-trades-20-pick-to-Charlotte-2946/

 

[JerN820]

If we trade Cisco as any part of a trade I will throw a brick through my TV. Salmons will remain a bencher next year and I don't want his garbage.

Agreed. I dont like that idea. Cis is still young and I believe he is a good part of our youth movement.

 

[Dreadnought]

I think Francisco started doing a really good job last year, but honestly, I wouldn't mind trading him for a better option. He's already 27 (or at least born in 1981), so he isn't "young". He's probably in his prime right now.

 

[BMiller52]

DraftExpress is reporting that it's likely Portland has finally found a trading partner for the #13 and instead of moving down they may moving up to #10.

The rumored trade is that Portland would send Jarrett Jack and #13 to New Jersey for Marcus Williams and the #10 which in turn Portland would steal the remaining PG knowing that PG would in no way make it past both Indiana and Sacramento.

Link: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Denver-trades-20-pick-to-Charlotte-2946/

I hate Pritchard.

 

[hrdboild]

I hate Pritchard.

Only because he's not our GM. They might as well just give him GM of the year right now. But if he saves us from ourselves by taking Augustin, I'll be very happy as a Kings fan.

 

[Bricklayer]

Portland has earned every bit of their team-of-the-future ness over the last 3-4 years by just being incredibly, brilliantly aggressive in and around draft day. They haven't just sat around, they have traded, moved, attacked, come up with multiple picks, multiple swaps, all of which they have won. Only Oden was lucky, and even there they hung around hung around hung around long enough to get the golden cow. Deserve all the credit in the world for what is taking shape up there after the disastrous Jailblazers era.

 

[LPKingsFan]

But, like Henry Abbott noted on TrueHoop the other day, the Blazers don't have enough roster spots for what they're stockpiling. I'm sure more moves are coming.

 

[Bricklayer]

But, like Henry Abbott noted on TrueHoop the other day, the Blazers don't have enough roster spots for what they're stockpiling. I'm sure more moves are coming.

Quite possibly (although it should be noted they have been stashing guys in Europe too) -- it does not change the brilliance of the stockpile. They just need a consolidating trade to resolve the PG position for them (unless they want Roy to move there fulltime and want to bring in an OG). And with Paul Allen as owner, there won't be any foolish hang onto the old vet just because we're paying him stuff going on -- if he needs Raef's roster spot, they buy him out. Ditto any other old vet if he is in the way.

 

[upinsmoke]

I would like to keep the 12 pick and work something out with the 76ers for the 16 spot. That way we can end up drafting Randolph and Hibber or McGee.

 

[Smills91]

You know something I don't?

That's just an expensive loss for something that has a strong probability of happening.

 

[Smills91]

I hate Pritchard.

That seems foolish for NJ to do:
Both Sacto and Indy need a big man as much as they need a PG. So by dealing to Portland, you basically force TWO big man away from you and drop 3 big men down rather than have the best of the trio that would go 11/12/13 if they made that deal. I just don't see THAT big of a talent gap between Williams/Jack to drop three spots and have to take the leftovers.

 

[steelevt]

DraftExpress is reporting that it's likely Portland has finally found a trading partner for the #13 and instead of moving down they may moving up to #10.

The rumored trade is that Portland would send Jarrett Jack and #13 to New Jersey for Marcus Williams and the #10 which in turn Portland would steal the remaining PG knowing that PG would in no way make it past both Indiana and Sacramento.

Link: http://www.draftexpress.com/article/Word-on-the-Street-Denver-trades-20-pick-to-Charlotte-2946/

what i dont understand about this trade is theyre already getting a pg in marcus williams in the trade. if portland's going to draft a pg with the #10 pick, why not get a player at a different position along with the #10?

 

[Vlade4GM]

That seems foolish for NJ to do:
Both Sacto and Indy need a big man as much as they need a PG. So by dealing to Portland, you basically force TWO big man away from you and drop 3 big men down rather than have the best of the trio that would go 11/12/13 if they made that deal. I just don't see THAT big of a talent gap between Williams/Jack to drop three spots and have to take the leftovers.

One of Arthur/Speights/Koufos will be available at 13, and I think they'd like any one of them.

 

[CruzDude]

Having a second draft choice in the 15-25 range will be a big help. Port and SEA have extras for sure......

What has happended to Marreese Speights in all this Randolph talk? Speights has the NBA body now and was in the 10-14 range but in last few days not much?????

Many threads liked him a bit ago. What has changed?

 

[Vlade4GM]

Having a second draft choice in the 15-25 range will be a big help. Port and SEA have extras for sure......

What has happended to Marreese Speights in all this Randolph talk? Speights has the NBA body now and was in the 10-14 range but in last few days not much?????

Many threads liked him a bit ago. What has changed?

Randolph and Augustin can possibly drop now when it didn't seem like they would before.

 

[gunks]

I'd still prefer Speights over Randolph myself.

I think there's been a lot of questions over his work ethic, but that could always change. Scouts tend to compare Speights to Jefferson. Wasnt Jefferson a bit on the lazy side too when he entered the league? Now he's turned it around and is one of the best young bigs in the east (I'd put him right after Howard and before Bosh myself).

If we could get a second first round pick we'd definately have a good chance at getting at least one special player out of the draft.