2022 Everything Free Agency/Trades Thread

funkykingston said:
If Philly really wants to shed Tobias Harris' contract, Harris & Thybulle for Barnes, Holmes, and Davis works.

Holmes provides a solid backup for Embiid (which is important if Joel misses a fair number of games to rest and/or injury), Barnes gives them almost the same contribution as Harris for less money and comes off the books next summer, and Davis adds a bit more punch off the bench.

The Kings gain two wings (another 4/3 and a 2/3) but downgrade at backup center and would still have 3 open roster spots for their 3rd string PG, C and (depending on how you primarily view Thybulle) 3rd string SG or SF.
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this is shuffling deck chairs
 
funkykingston said:
If Philly really wants to shed Tobias Harris' contract, Harris & Thybulle for Barnes, Holmes, and Davis works.

Holmes provides a solid backup for Embiid (which is important if Joel misses a fair number of games to rest and/or injury), Barnes gives them almost the same contribution as Harris for less money and comes off the books next summer, and Davis adds a bit more punch off the bench.

The Kings gain two wings (another 4/3 and a 2/3) but downgrade at backup center and would still have 3 open roster spots for their 3rd string PG, C and (depending on how you primarily view Thybulle) 3rd string SG or SF.
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This is the one that seems most likely, especially without our ability to include any future FRP in a trade. I'm sure people will not be thrilled with Tobias contract, but buys another year on the contract length. For a team like the Kings, there is a benefit to having big expiring contracts to trade. So, you flip Barnes for Harris/Thybulle before the final year of Barnes contract. Then next year, you flip Harris' contract for something else.
 
funkykingston said:
If Philly really wants to shed Tobias Harris' contract, Harris & Thybulle for Barnes, Holmes, and Davis works.

Holmes provides a solid backup for Embiid (which is important if Joel misses a fair number of games to rest and/or injury), Barnes gives them almost the same contribution as Harris for less money and comes off the books next summer, and Davis adds a bit more punch off the bench.

The Kings gain two wings (another 4/3 and a 2/3) but downgrade at backup center and would still have 3 open roster spots for their 3rd string PG, C and (depending on how you primarily view Thybulle) 3rd string SG or SF.
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Yeah, that’s the other one. The thing is, I’m not sure Harris is that much of an upgrade, either, especially not on the defensive end. Davis to Thybulle would be, of course, but I liked this concept a lot more earlier in free agency when we could have brought back Jones to fill the backup center spot (unless you have faith in Quetta being ready) and there were more interesting names still out there for the other 2/3 spot. I’d at least try to get a pick from Philly given the massive cost savings they’d get from the deal.
 
I must be missing something, how would the Kings be able to add Harris’ contract? He’s set to make 37 mil this year and 39 next year. Barnes, Holmes and TD’s contracts don’t even amount to his alone.
 
TaxMan said:
This is the one that seems most likely, especially without our ability to include any future FRP in a trade. I'm sure people will not be thrilled with Tobias contract, but buys another year on the contract length. For a team like the Kings, there is a benefit to having big expiring contracts to trade. So, you flip Barnes for Harris/Thybulle before the final year of Barnes contract. Then next year, you flip Harris' contract for something else.
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LPKingsFan said:
Yeah, that’s the other one. The thing is, I’m not sure Harris is that much of an upgrade, either, especially not on the defensive end. Davis to Thybulle would be, of course, but I liked this concept a lot more earlier in free agency when we could have brought back Jones to fill the backup center spot (unless you have faith in Quetta being ready) and there were more interesting names still out there for the other 2/3 spot. I’d at least try to get a pick from Philly given the massive cost savings they’d get from the deal.
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This is essentially just kicking the can down the road a year. Instead of losing Barnes for nothing at the end of next season, you get Harris (who is a slight upgrade) for two seasons. And his contract ends right when Sabonis has to be re-signed. Plus you get to decide if Thybulle is a building block to be re-signed or not. I think Davis is gone after this year if Huerter and Monk stay healthy.

The ideal scenario is to draft another wing (either a pure SF or 2/3) in next year's draft so Harris is just a bridge who can either be dealt at the deadline season after next or allowed to walk in free agency to give cap flexibility.
 
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Kings49ers said:
I must be missing something, how would the Kings be able to add Harris’ contract? He’s set to make 37 mil this year and 39 next year. Barnes, Holmes and TD’s contracts don’t even amount to his alone.
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The Kings would take on about $8M in salary in such a deal but it works under the CBA.
 
funkykingston said:
This is essentially just kicking the can down the road a year. Instead of losing Barnes for nothing at the end of next season, you get Harris (who is a slight upgrade) for two seasons. And his contract ends right when Sabonis had to be re-signed. Plus you get to decide if Thybulle is a building block to be re-signed or not. I think Davis is gone after this year if Huerter and Monk stay healthy.

The ideal scenario is to draft another wing (either a pure SF or 2/3) in next year's draft so Harris is just a bridge who can either be dealt at the deadline season after next or allowed to walk in free agency to give cap flexibility.
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This is how I view it too. Harris is at worst a lateral move from Barnes (probably a slight upgrade, but less positional versatility?) and you potentially get a long-term wing defender in Thybulle on top of it. And instead of being forced to ink Barnes to another long-term deal, the Kings get their cap sheet all in line with Sabonis. If it works, great! If it blows up, we aren't tied to an old Barnes long-term contract.
 
funkykingston said:
The Kings would take on about $8M in salary in such a deal but it works under the CBA.
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Gotcha, I’d be all for it. I agree with you that Harris is slightly better than Barnes at this stage of their careers. Barnes’ defense declined a bit last year and should continue doing so the older he gets. Thybulle is the real prize for me in that transaction if for nothing else his defensive presence and ability which is greatly needed, I don’t care that his shot never developed. Next years draft, assuming the kings are in the lottery range again is really our best hope of finding a permanent 3.
 
The_Jamal said:
This is how I view it too. Harris is at worst a lateral move from Barnes (probably a slight upgrade, but less positional versatility?) and you potentially get a long-term wing defender in Thybulle on top of it. And instead of being forced to ink Barnes to another long-term deal, the Kings get their cap sheet all in line with Sabonis. If it works, great! If it blows up, we aren't tied to an old Barnes long-term contract.
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The other issue is you're trading out Barnes who already knows how to play off Sabonis for a better iso scorer. Barnes going back to playing with a passing big was like a duck to water. Barnes is 30, he's not some old man yet haha. PJ Tucker is 37 and still providing something. Barnes if he stays healthy will do the same. 30-34 is still a players prime.
 
SacTownKid said:
The other issue is you're trading out Barnes who already knows how to play off Sabonis for a better iso scorer. Barnes going back to playing with a passing big was like a duck to water. Barnes is 30, he's not some old man yet haha. PJ Tucker is 37 and still providing something. Barnes if he stays healthy will do the same. 30-34 is still a players prime.
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While that could very well be true about Barnes and his effective playing age, Barnes and PJ Tucker play an entirely different game of basketball haha.
 
SacTownKid said:
The other issue is you're trading out Barnes who already knows how to play off Sabonis for a better iso scorer. Barnes going back to playing with a passing big was like a duck to water. Barnes is 30, he's not some old man yet haha. PJ Tucker is 37 and still providing something. Barnes if he stays healthy will do the same. 30-34 is still a players prime.
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Yeah just depends on the tag I suppose. Barnes has aged his game nicely where he doesn't really rely on his athleticism at all and kind of has that "old-head" game where he's a shooter and relies on his bball IQ/strength to get the job done. He's not high flying much anymore like his youth and he's had a couple of his best seasons the last few years in a Kings uni.

Barnes at $12-$14mil? Let's run it. Barnes at $18-20? eh it's a pass.
 
The_Jamal said:
Yeah just depends on the tag I suppose. Barnes has aged his game nicely where he doesn't really rely on his athleticism at all and kind of has that "old-head" game where he's a shooter and relies on his bball IQ/strength to get the job done. He's not high flying much anymore like his youth and he's had a couple of his best seasons the last few years in a Kings uni.

Barnes at $12-$14mil? Let's run it. Barnes at $18-20? eh it's a pass.
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Ideally he’s someone who comes off the bench for us and our on court play doesn’t miss a beat like I hope Monk does.
 
The_Jamal said:
Yeah just depends on the tag I suppose. Barnes has aged his game nicely where he doesn't really rely on his athleticism at all and kind of has that "old-head" game where he's a shooter and relies on his bball IQ/strength to get the job done. He's not high flying much anymore like his youth and he's had a couple of his best seasons the last few years in a Kings uni.

Barnes at $12-$14mil? Let's run it. Barnes at $18-20? eh it's a pass.
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That still depends on what the team looks like 1-2 months into next season. If they look like hot garbage you're probably way too high on the first numbers and if they don't probably a little low on the 2nd.
 
Barnes and Bojan Bogdanovic imo could be used as players from a 3rd team to facilitate a KD or Irving trade imo and that way the Kings might be able to get a SF piece back.....
 
Harden just re-signed with the 76ers on a two year deal that cuts his next year's salary from $47M (if he'd opted in) to $32M.

I don't know if that makes the Sixers more or less likely to trade Harris. I'd think less likely, but if it opens up $8M more in salary that may give them something to work with.
 
The time to trade was when Boston offered Nesmith and a first at the deadline but the Kings front office was set on making the play-in. We would have Wagner and Nesmith at the three right now.
 
Read multiple tweets by people who were present or listened to the presser, I didn’t listen yet, say that Monte unsolicited said multiple times the Kings weren’t done yet making moves.
 
Kings49ers said:
Read multiple tweets by people who were present or listened to the presser, I didn’t listen yet, say that Monte unsolicited said multiple times the Kings weren’t done yet making moves.
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Exciting. Can't wait for that Milsap/Bjelly/Bazemore signing.
 
kb02 said:
I don't see that unless Brown is a miracle worker on the defensive side of the ball.

On another note, judging by the paltry number of responses and retweets, season ticket sales are going to continue to suck.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1544829140313980928
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I mean why would they change from what they’ve been haha. Until winning starts to happen or a player steps up who’s worth paying to go see play nothing will change. I’ll be taking full advantage of the low prices in the mean time again this year.
kb02 said:
Exciting. Can't wait for that Milsap/Bjelly/Bazemore signing.
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You have to be a blast at parties.
 
Padrino said:
Yep. The above is why nobody other than the Lakers is currently attempting to trade for Kyrie. You can set aside the whacko flat earth nonsense, the wild conspiracy theories, and even the earnest political stances. Every NBA team will accept a player's activism and endure a player's most grating quirks if the player is talented enough, available enough, and if the locker room holds.

The problem with Irving is that he marches so recklessly to the beat of his own drum that he alienates himself from teammates, coaches, and front offices, and renders himself unavailable to play without consideration for the needs of the team. He may not play for any number of "personal reasons." He may not play because his individual choices are at odds with league rules or public policy. And he may not play because he's oft-injured and generally uninterested in returning to the court on anything but his own time table. Some of his absences are more justified than others, but regardless, the team he plays for gets left holding the bag.

And if Irving's lack of availability wasn't bad enough, his personality quirks also have a tendency to divide locker rooms. Despite the attention he draws to himself, he's never been a natural leader, and his very public quest for self-actualization seems to read as egocentrism to those around him. When notorious sulk extraordinaire James Harden demands a trade to get away from you because you're an even bigger malcontent than he is in the locker room, you know you've got a problem.

Regardless of his talent level, Kyrie Irving is really unreliable and a toxic presence on most teams. Front offices around the league have simply determined that he's not worth the headache. The Lakers are, of course, hoping that Lebron's prior stint with Irving might gift him with "Kyrie Whisperer" abilities, but it sure seems to me that Irving has only become more eccentric and mercurial in his attitudes since his time on the Cavaliers.
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I'd trade fox for Kyre Today. Sorry
 
Livinthedream said:
The key is, Detroit is paying Bagley for what he is and can be if his skill set is maximized. They aren't looking at it through a lense of what they wish he was.

Kings drafted a guy who was the focal point of an offense where he was fed the ball in the paint and then went to work scoring bucket after bucket. Comes to the Kings and gets chastised when he doesn't "playmake", isn't effective standing in the corner on offense shooting 3s and is not a rim protector. Every year, the Kings asked Marvin to change his game to match other players on the roster.

Glad Bagley found a team that fits him. Whatever comes of it is Detroit's issue now.
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Bagley was never I repeat ever our focal point of offense. Let's be real he didn't have a chance here. And when he started too he got injured. I'm sick of thar bum. I'd wish injury but I don't think I'll have to
 
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