2011 NBA Draft Combine - Discussion

He didn't even stand out in Japan. There are always quality players to be had in the 2nd, so you don't throw away an early 2nd on a huge long shot. You throw away a late 2nd on someone like that because those pick are virtually worthless.

Its obvious he needs development, but I think he has value in the second round. We should at least have him come in and work out. He has the Nba body and dont forget Brandon Jennings didn't fair so well over there either and he turned out ok.
 
Its obvious he needs development, but I think he has value in the second round. We should at least have him come in and work out. He has the Nba body and dont forget Brandon Jennings didn't fair so well over there either and he turned out ok.

Jennings played in Italy, not Japan. Huge difference. Not all basketball outside the US is the same!

Isn't Tyler meant to be trouble? I'm sure I've read that he has a poor work ethic and isn't the best person in the locker room.
 
Tyler destroyed himself with that maneuver, and I am glad.

It was a sick enterprise and a terrible precedent.
 
Its obvious he needs development, but I think he has value in the second round. We should at least have him come in and work out. He has the Nba body and dont forget Brandon Jennings didn't fair so well over there either and he turned out ok.

"over there?" Jennings played in the Italian league and the Euroleague, which is so far beyond playing in Japan, that the comparison is laughable. He couldn't cut it for Maccabi, and had to play in Tokyo, and he couldn't even stand out there even with his size and athleticism. I think he has value, but only with a throw away 2nd round pick. Our 2nd rounder is high enough not to be a throw away.
 
Tyler destroyed himself with that maneuver, and I am glad.

It was a sick enterprise and a terrible precedent.

NCAA is a sick enterprise as well. Tyler really wasn't as special as he thought he was in the first place, so I think that also has a lot to do with his failures.
 
I think some are being a little too hard on Tyler. There's no doubt he made a huge mistake skipping college, and then choosing the wrong league to play in. You had a 17 year old kid in Japan, with no adult supervision from his family, or any kind of mentor period. It was a disastor waiting to happen. However, he was one of the top ranked highschool players in the nation as a sophmore, and would have been highly recuited had he not chosen a different path.

My point is that he did have talent, and from everything I've read about him, his work ethic has improved. Sometimes a huge mistake will wake you up. Not saying the Kings should draft him, but I'm not saying they shouldn't. If he still sitting there when we have the last pick in the draft, why the hell not?
 
Some of the interviews are up on youtube now. Here they are:

Brandon Knight

Came off well, as expected. Very intelligent kid.


Kemba Walker

Pretty good interview. Seems confident and sure of himself, but a nice guy too. Better spoken than I had thought based on an interview I heard a month or so ago.


Travis Leslie

Not a brilliant interview, but there will be far worse ones. Seemed kind of nervous, and probably a little immature.


Kyrie Irving

Another very smart guy. Obviously has thought about things alot, and has a diplomatic answer for everything. Good leadership qualities and a down to earth kid. Extremely impressed with the interview. I think Irving is going to be alot better than people expected.
 
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NCAA is a sick enterprise as well. Tyler really wasn't as special as he thought he was in the first place, so I think that also has a lot to do with his failures.

NCAA may be sick, but you might learn a few things by accident. And if you're not good enough to play in the NBA, you now can settle back for 4 years with your fully paid for college education and get a degree in something useful. And of course the thing with Tyler is that his dad pimped him out in the middle of HIGH SCHOOL. Shipped him out before he even had a senior year at the behest of that horrible little man who has hopefully retired now who was always waging war with the NCAA. There were many people being served by such a maneuver, the dip**** kid wasn't one of them. If you want to go to war with the NCAA be my guest. But using and ruining kids as your weapon in the war just reveals someone as a zealot who as lost all persepctive.
 
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The interviews of Derrick Williams, Kanter, and the Morris brothers are in.

Williams


Kanter


Marcus Morris


Markieff Morris



Very interesting, Marcus Morris says he's a natural 3 at NBA level. He'd be worth a closer look if he's really able to play on the wing. Here is a nice article about Morris playing at the 3. Apparently his wingspan is only at 6'7 which is not really "adorable": Click me
 
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Very interesting, Marcus Morris says he's a natural 3 at NBA level. He'd be worth a closer look if he's really able to play on the wing. Here is a nice article about Morris playing at the 3. Apparently his wingspan is only at 6'7 which is not really "adorable"

In the interview he says he just measured out at the combine with a 6'10" wingspan, and that the other measurement was wrong.
 
Watching that Derrick Williams interview, it's hard to see how some got the impression that he came off deluded by success or as a braggart of any sort. The MO that I gleaned from that interview was confidence in his versatility. The way he described what he hoped to contribute sounded like he could absolutely be that super glue guy that the Kings need. And it's exactly what I expected he could do throughout the year.

People worry about his defensive capability -- you have to understand that if he were to somehow become a part of this team, he would NOT be the #1 offensive option (which is a given with our two established building blocks). Much like how we don't put Tyreke on the opposing team's best perimeter player (even though he's the most physically capable of doing so outside of maybe Donte), he wasn't asked to throw everything he had on defense because of the load he carried on the other end. Being on this team as the third option would allow him to exert that defensive energy. He's certainly athletic enough to do so.

Granger and Iguodala, the two veteran players so many have coveted here, were (or still is, in Granger's case) #1 options on their teams. If we were fortunate enough to get either on the Kings, they'd immediately be asked to take a backseat on offense and contribute as a more rounded supporting player. And people have drooled away at the prospect, as if the transition would be a given. So why would it be hard to expect the same from a player who is even less established than those two?

Again, there was nothing in that interview to suggest he'd be at odds with not being the franchise player. Does he believe he can be that player? That, I saw. But wouldn't you be concerned if he didn't expect himself to achieve things like All-Star games and ROY? Isn't that the same confidence that Cousins showed during these pre-draft sessions last year? The last thing I would want is to depend on an uber-talented, multi-faceted player as a third option who isn't confident or aggressive enough to exert himself upon the game every night. Can you say "Lamar Odom" with me?

Here's a guy who has the athleticism to guard the position (asked to play at the 4 out of necessity), has decent handles and a face-up game, can rebound like hell, can hit the spot-up three, and has the strength and low-post game to punish mismatches. Can you name another need at the position that he doesn't cover? If I'm Petrie, I'm doing everything in my power to swindle Kahn out of that 2 spot in the draft to get this guy.
 
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I really liked the Kanter interview.

Kid looks like a cool friendly down to earth dude, hardworker too if he actually took English lessons 4 times a day.

His only downside for me on top of obviously ability(havn't seen him but I assume the reports cant be that far off - and in then he sounds amazing) - is his injury issues.
 
Watching that Derrick Williams interview, it's hard to see how some got the impression that he came off deluded by success or as a braggart of any sort. The MO that I gleaned from that interview was confidence in his versatility. The way he described what he hoped to contribute sounded like he could absolutely be that super glue guy that the Kings need. And it's exactly what I expected he could do throughout the year.

People worry about his defensive capability -- you have to understand that if he were to somehow become a part of this team, he would NOT be the #1 offensive option (which is a given with our two established building blocks). Much like how we don't put Tyreke on the opposing team's best perimeter player (even though he's the most physically capable of doing so outside of maybe Donte), he wasn't asked to throw everything he had on defense because of the load he carried on the other end. Being on this team as the third option would allow him to exert that defensive energy. He's certainly athletic enough to do so.

Granger and Iguodala, the two veteran players so many have coveted here, were (or still is, in Granger's case) #1 options on their teams. If we were fortunate enough to get either on the Kings, they'd immediately be asked to take a backseat on offense and contribute as a more rounded supporting player. And people have drooled away at the prospect, as if the transition would be a given. So why would it be hard to expect the same from a player who is even less established than those two?

Again, there was nothing in that interview to suggest he'd be at odds with not being the franchise player. Does he believe he can be that player? That, I saw. But wouldn't you be concerned if he didn't expect himself to achieve things like All-Star games and ROY? Isn't that the same confidence that Cousins showed during these pre-draft sessions last year? The last thing I would want is to depend on is an uber-talented, multi-faceted player as a third option who isn't confident or aggressive enough to exert himself upon the game every night. Can you say "Lamar Odom" with me?

Here's a guy who has the athleticism to guard the position (asked to play at the 4 out of necessity), has decent handles and a face-up game, can rebound like hell, can hit the spot-up three, and has the strength and low-post game to punish mismatches. Can you name another need at the position that he doesn't cover? If I'm Petrie, I'm doing everything in my power to swindle Kahn out of that 2 spot in the draft to get this guy.

I agree. He's the best player in the draft. So if you abide by the BPA principle, you've got to go after him. That said, as another poster said, Petrie's never traded up in any draft, so I'm not holding my breath.
 
I haven't seen the athletic testing results yet, but Walker came in taller than expected and Knight came in shorter than expected. Since height isn't going to be all that different between the two after all, this probably helps Walker's chances of being the second PG off the board.
 
I haven't seen the athletic testing results yet, but Walker came in taller than expected and Knight came in shorter than expected. Since height isn't going to be all that different between the two after all, this probably helps Walker's chances of being the second PG off the board.


From what I remember, Walker outplayed Knight in the NCAA tournament. Since Walker didn't measure out as short as some feared, I wouldn't be surprised to see him picked ahead of Knight. 6'1" with shoes is decent height for a NBA pg.
 
Measurements

There were a couple guys who I've wondered why they were not rated higher.

Charles Jenkins - Decent height, 6'1.5" in socks. Good wingspan 6'7.5". Amazing frame, 216 lbs with 4.3 % body fat.

Somebody tell me why he isn't in consideration for a top 10 pick? Great shooter, and most efficient offensive player in the country other than Derrick Williams. Experienced player with a great NBA body. I think he transitions to PG in the NBA, and becomes a solid player with upside as an above average starter. He could legitimately be in contention for our 7th pick.

Nikola Vucevic - Long (7'5" wingspan, 9'5" standing reach), strong (260 lbs 6.0 % body fat) 20 year old college postman who averaged 17 points and 10 boards. Skilled player who can shoot and block shots.

Not sure why he's not in top 10-15.
 
Nikola Vucevic - Long (7'5" wingspan, 9'5" standing reach), strong (260 lbs 6.0 % body fat) 20 year old college postman who averaged 17 points and 10 boards. Skilled player who can shoot and block shots.

Yeah, Vucevic has been a bit of a well-kept secret at USC the past two years. He had a poor tournament game (against VCU) and it was looking like he might slip into the second round, but that seems unlikely now if he's actually the biggest college guy in the draft. Williams wasn't very highly regarded before the tournament either. West coast guys who aren't hyped out of HS still tend to fly under the radar nationally.
 
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Williams is 6'8 250 with a 9'0 standing reach. With the way the NBA is played today, he can be a PF. Antawn Jamison part II.
 
Ask Tyreke, he measured the same height w/o shoes as Harden, 6'4", yet Harden is listed at 6'5" and Tyreke @ 6'6"

Tyreke actually measured at 6'5 in shoes in the pre-draft measurements, but somewhere along the line someone who lists height decided to bump that up to 6'6.
 
Williams is 6'8 250 with a 9'0 standing reach. With the way the NBA is played today, he can be a PF. Antawn Jamison part II.

He can play PF, but I feel he has the athleticism to play SF pretty much full time. I also think he's more talented than Jamison ever was, so I think he can have a better career than Jamison, who was always a fairly irrelevant tweener.
 
A popular guy for our 2nd round pick is Demitri McCamey. He came out looking better than expected, measuring 6'3'' in shoes, 6'6'' wingspan, and somewhat surprisingly, only 6% bodyfat. That should help out his stock a bit. He's a big PG with good physical attributes. Think he'd be a very good option in the 2nd round if he were still there.
 
He can play PF, but I feel he has the athleticism to play SF pretty much full time. I also think he's more talented than Jamison ever was, so I think he can have a better career than Jamison, who was always a fairly irrelevant tweener.

Jamison was a pretty good player, to say that he'd be better than him is going too far IMO. I think he could play the SF, but I don't think that will be his best position, and I think it will limit his upside. He doesn't have the guard skills to play SF, but he does have the strength and athleticism to play PF. As far as his defense, he probably is too much of a tweener size-wise to be much of a defender at either position, but he'll probably be better at the PF position considering he's already 250 lbs and is likely to only get bigger.
 
A popular guy for our 2nd round pick is Demitri McCamey. He came out looking better than expected, measuring 6'3'' in shoes, 6'6'' wingspan, and somewhat surprisingly, only 6% bodyfat. That should help out his stock a bit. He's a big PG with good physical attributes. Think he'd be a very good option in the 2nd round if he were still there.

McCamey just does not have enough athleticism and penetration ability to translate to the NBA. No thank you.
 
McCamey just does not have enough athleticism and penetration ability to translate to the NBA. No thank you.

You might be right, but he does have size and skills. A guy who can handle the ball, pass very well and shoot from deep wouldn't be a terrible option as a 4th guard. We could do alot worse with our 2nd rounder. I don't think he's a terrible athlete.
 
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