ESPN: Artest Requesting Trade, Representing Himself

[Vlade4GM]

KOBE is not a Odom fan... he has been vocal about his mental lapses in clutch situations... Odom is basically looked at as being unable to come though when it matters. Kobe wants defense! and theres a huge difference between Odom and Artest... trust me he'd love to have Artest, and would rather have Artest

He's been vocal about his mental lapses in clutch situations? Do you have a quote to back that up?

I'm sure he wouldn't mind having Artest, he's said he was upset about the lakers failing to get him originally, so I won't deny that. What I'm saying is that he doesn't mind having Odom either. He knows he's playing on a damn good squad either way, there isn't enough difference in Odom and Artest's overall impact on that particular team for him to go crying to the FO and demand Artest. Mitch won't go for that, Buss won't go for that, they have their threshold on what they're willing to give up for Artest and that's it, Kobe isn't going to change their minds. The lakers have all the bargaining power here, we don't.

 

[Vlade4GM]

There are so many teams out there with expirings....and we are considering trading with the Lakers?????

Yet their fans and Artest have the audacity to even say that Odom should not be included in the trade? Who are we kidding?

Forget the Lakers....lets move on to another team.

You think we have the luxury to just move on to another team?

 

[gunks]

Probably.

You think other contenders are going to want the Lakers to land Ron? Just the fact that we may be moving him to LA probably makes teams like the Spurs want to take the risk on him that much more. Add Ron to the mix and that Lakers team could be pretty dominant.

 

[Aenadin]

ive seen a few trade proposal from laker fansin forums and yahoo.... and i cant believe they are either that Delusional or that stupid..

they were proposing a trade like..

mihm and walton for artest

vlad rad,walton and mihm, for kenny thomas artest and kevin martin....

the list can go on....

basically we dont want ANYTHING the lakers have... even if its jordan farmar... we dont need bynum we have hawes and thompson

and the point is why should we make artest happy by trading him to a potential ring team? why make laker fans and him happy?? what do we owe him?

we gave artest a clean slate to work with and he screwed the kings over.. he screwed indiana over... i say we ship him to a team like knicks..i dont care if we get gallinari and lee or who ever.. those guys are better than a guy who says things before he thinks it over

he is wasting his prime years with all these nonesense....

trade him to portland, new orleans, orlando ANY WHERE shop him around... id even go for a gerald green and dampier for artest trade right now

 

[Vlade4GM]

Probably.

You think other contenders are going to want the Lakers to land Ron? Just the fact that we may be moving him to LA probably makes teams like the Spurs want to take the risk on him that much more. Add Ron to the mix and that Lakers team could be pretty dominant.

That just proves that writing off the lakers would be stupid.

 

[Vlade4GM]

ive seen a few trade proposal from laker fansin forums and yahoo.... and i cant believe they are either that Delusional or that stupid..

they were proposing a trade like..

mihm and walton for artest

vlad rad,walton and mihm, for kenny thomas artest and kevin martin....

the list can go on....

basically we dont want ANYTHING the lakers have... even if its jordan farmar... we dont need bynum we have hawes and thompson

and the point is why should we make artest happy by trading him to a potential ring team? why make laker fans and him happy?? what do we owe him?

we gave artest a clean slate to work with and he screwed the kings over.. he screwed indiana over... i say we ship him to a team like knicks..i dont care if we get gallinari and lee or who ever.. those guys are better than a guy who says things before he thinks it over

he is wasting his prime years with all these nonesense....

trade him to portland, new orleans, orlando ANY WHERE shop him around... id even go for a gerald green and dampier for artest trade right now

We should take the best trade package we can get, who that's from is completely irrelevant.

 

[Aenadin]

We should take the best trade package we can get, who that's from is completely irrelevant.

the best is him gone as long as we get some first rounders and a young kid theus can mold then im happy

id say trade him for gallinari after a few games int he regular season... or that Travis outlaw

 

[bajaden]

First of all, who gives a ish what Kobe thought about him? He's not a scout, he's not a coach, and he's not a GM. Also, he wanted Bynum traded that doesn't mean he didn't like his potential, he just didn't want to wait on a 19-20 year old rather than getting a future hall of fame PG. You bet your *** that Kobe was happy with Bynum this year.

I watched Bynum, the kid is for real. He didn't appear out of nowhere, he's being taught by the greatest center of all time, and he worked his *** off last offseason to get into incredible shape; and that's not even a new thing, he improved his game a lot the offseason prior. Does that mean he's going to become a superstar? I don't know, but the kid was a legitimate double double player and a very good shot blocker, there is no reason to believe he'll regress unless he unexpectedly slacks off or his injury is a recurring problem. I have no reason to believe either are true. I don't know about secret ingredient, but you add Bynum to Gasol/Odom/Kobe and you have a damn good team, their biggest weakness in the finals was a physical presence in the post and Bynum supplies that on both ends. He can stay 13-10-2 player for the rest of his career (even though he was averaging more like 17 the last few weeks before he went down) and he'd be a huge addition to that team. The lakers expect that from Bynum and more next year, they'd be fine with having to start next season with the basic core roster they have right now.

Number one. Bet your own sweet ***, not mine. All I said was there were no guarrantee's. He averaged 13 and 10 for 35 games. Yes he showed promise. Yes, I would take him on my team to see if he becomes what everyone thinks he will be. But I do not judge any player on one game or 35 games, or one season. All those things give me hope, but not conviction.

None of that however convinces me that the Lakers don't believe that they would be better with Artest than with Odom. I still believe that if they decide to match the offer for Turiaf, the deal for Artest is dead. If not, I think some sort of deal will be worked out, unless another team gets involved with a better offer.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Number one. Bet your own sweet ***, not mine. All I said was there were no guarrantee's. He averaged 13 and 10 for 35 games. Yes he showed promise. Yes, I would take him on my team to see if he becomes what everyone thinks he will be. But I do not judge any player on one game or 35 games, or one season. All those things give me hope, but not conviction.

None of that however convinces me that the Lakers don't believe that they would be better with Artest than with Odom. I still believe that if they decide to match the offer for Turiaf, the deal for Artest is dead. If not, I think some sort of deal will be worked out, unless another team gets involved with a better offer.

When are there ever guarantees? Were you against Kevin's contract extension because it was after only one good season?

That's not the point, the point is how much better do they think they are with Artest than Lamar and how desperate are they to achieve that upgrade?

 

[Vlade4GM]

the best is him gone as long as we get some first rounders and a young kid theus can mold then im happy

id say trade him for gallinari after a few games int he regular season... or that Travis outlaw

Portland won't want him and the knicks aren't trading their lotto pick for Artest, I doubt the knicks are even willing to take on Artest anymore.

 

[Aenadin]

so any ideas who could want him aside from the lakers?

 

[kennadog]

Mitch won't go for that, Buss won't go for that, they have their threshold on what they're willing to give up for Artest and that's it, Kobe isn't going to change their minds. The lakers have all the bargaining power here, we don't.

And Petrie knows what he wants for Artest. I don't see the Lakers as in the driver's set on this, at all. They called the Kings, not the other way around. I'm sure GP wishes that Ron would just keep his mouth shut and quit being a whiny annoyance, but that doesn't mean GP is suddenly desperate to get rid of Ron for a lot less than he wants. Some Kings fans wish Petrie wasn't quite so patient, but a patient man he definitely is and one who knows what he wants.

 

[Bricklayer]

And Petrie knows what he wants for Artest. I don't see the Lakers as in the driver's set on this, at all. They called the Kings, not the other way around. I'm sure GP wishes that Ron would just keep his mouth shut and quit being a whiny annoyance, but that doesn't mean GP is suddenly desperate to get rid of Ron for a lot less than he wants. Some Kings fans wish Petrie wasn't quite so patient, but a patient man he definitely is and one who knows what he wants.

Geoff is in a pickle this time though --a Ron Ron pickle. The guy has got to go. And Geoff can pretend to be patient all he wants, but its all just pretend. He can't really bring him back. Or if he does he has severely scuttled both the fanbase and Reggie (I'll leave out the team for the moment since only a handful of them matter). His advanatge this time is in the uncertainty the various contenders will have about which of them is offering what. He doesn't have the uncertainty of will he move him or will he not. And this too after it was quite evident that Linas Kleiza and the #21 pick (or whatever that was) would have gotten it done several months ago. I think Ron's value went up therafter, after the playofs wiht so many teams thinking they were one guy a way, and the Celtics proving again defense wins championships. But now he's in the process of chopping it back down again. And the additonal pressure on Geoff is the loud ticking come from his trade piece -- it could go off and leave you with nothing.

I don't see us doing anything that will hurt us, either contractwise or talent bleed wise (other than Ron himself). But how insistent we are going to be on a perfect deal actually helping us is quite open to question. I suspect our asking price is imminently reasonable for any team willing to take the Ron Ron risk.

 

[Aenadin]

So... is the scenario like this

if we will trade artest to a contender we have the upper hand in bargaining (because they so need that "defensive presence" for a rental its actually a bargain.. work him out for one year.. win a ring and think things over)

meaning we can ask for a first rounder and a few young projects

but if its from a team that is also rebuilding but has a high chance of breaching the playoffs.. the trades are some what "fair"

so where do we send him... people say it doesnt matter where, i was saying a while back it doesnt matter where but know im thinking what is the BEST deal for us.

with Contenders we have the advantage of asking more

but if its from other teams im pretty sure we have to convince them more

 

[tyrant]

so we if trade artest for odom how many of you would want to keep odom? i wouldnt want him here.

 

[kennadog]

Geoff is in a pickle this time though --a Ron Ron pickle. The guy has got to go.

I suspect our asking price is imminently reasonable for any team willing to take the Ron Ron risk.

I agree that GP really has to act and sometimes patience is not a virtue. However, I can't believe the Lakers are absolutely the only interested party. That's why I don't think LA has all the bargaining power and the Kings have none as the poster suggested.

I don't mind the patience....as long as Ron is gone before training camp. We can only hope Petrie gets something that will really benefit the Kings in return. If its true that Denver wouldn't give up Kleiza to get Ron, it would seem to indicate Ron's trade value isn't as high as some Kings fans would like to believe. Hopefully GP can pull off a good one.

 

[piksi]

ell since Odom is making twice as much - it would mean that we get rid of more dead wood in that deal - maybe even KT. We just let Odumb's contract expire and we are good.

 

[Carpe diem]

We just let Odumb's contract expire and we are good.

Good? No. Still mediocre? Yes.

 

[Warhawk]

Good? No. Still mediocre? Yes.

But still mediocre with one year off KT's contract. And Ron is gone at the end of the year even if he stays....

The ONLY reason to keep Artest around would be if:

A) We thought he could push us into contention (which he hasn't been able to do yet, so I think this point is moot), or

B) we want to S&T him next offseason.

I'd rather have Odom for the year than Artest, all else being equal. We could also S&T Odom, and KT is a wash (as a player) if he stays or if he goes - he won't play.

 

[DocHolliday]

Well,

Since we waited this long to trade him and let him request one his value has now plummetted. Petrie will now have to create value by saying no to the crappy offers that are sure to come and hold out for a decent one.

This may mean holding on to Artest for a while, where as before we could have traded him easier.

 

[bajaden]

When are there ever guarantees? Were you against Kevin's contract extension because it was after only one good season?

That's not the point, the point is how much better do they think they are with Artest than Lamar and how desperate are they to achieve that upgrade?

As far the first part, I would have prefered to have signed him for less than we did, but you have to pay what the market will bear. Kevin actually had two seasons in a row that were pretty good. The last one being the best one. Your not stupid, and I'm sure you get my point. And my point was not to argue over Bynum. So as far as I'm concerned that part of the discussion is closed. You may continue on if you feel the need. Just without me.

As to the second point. I think thats basicly what I said. Try listening instead of hearing what you think you want to hear.

 

[venom_7]

The most beautiful sight outta all of this. Lakers in the 4th quarter down 2. They are swinging the ball through the triangle, Artest gets it. Kobe comes off a screen calling for the ball. Artest completely ignores him as he proceeds to do his whacky little crossover repeatedly for a 12 count on the shot clock. He finishes by jacking a fadeaway jumper over two guys which he misses. Kobe does his "I'm a great teammate" thing and gets in Artests mug and starts yelling at thim like he is Sasha Vujab****. Ron gets mad and punches Kobe in the face. Nobody can tell if Pau Gasol looks surprised or disgusted because he always has a combination of both looks on his face anyway. Andrew Bynum looks awkward, but not because of the situation. Its because he knows he looks like a teenage mutant ninja turtle and he doesn't want anybody to notice (its the reason he never stands next to Al Harrington.) Turiaf, even though he is on the Warriors (the team the fakers are playing at the time) trys to come to Kobe's aid but Artest punks him too. Phil Jackson just sits there with his patented facepalm, and the league suspends the Lakers franchise from the NBA for 10 years. And they call a foul on Kobe's nose for hurting Ron's fist and a technical on Derek Fisher for flopping.


Its gonna happen, I can feel it.

 

[bajaden]

But still mediocre with one year off KT's contract. And Ron is gone at the end of the year even if he stays....

The ONLY reason to keep Artest around would be if:

A) We thought he could push us into contention (which he hasn't been able to do yet, so I think this point is moot), or

B) we want to S&T him next offseason.

I'd rather have Odom for the year than Artest, all else being equal. We could also S&T Odom, and KT is a wash (as a player) if he stays or if he goes - he won't play.

With some of the quote's coming out of Artests mouth and the Maloff's sensitive feelings, I doubt there's anything on the Kings mangement's mind other than dealing Artest. One of his comments to ESPN that the Kings shouldn't have fired Addleman, I'm sure didn't set well with the Maloff's. The real question isn't whether Artest will be moved, but how much pressure will the Maloffs put on Petrie to take a lesser deal, just to get it done.

 

[tyrant]

Favor,

close the thread. This is annoying, seriously. I'm sick of Ron being the main topic of discussion in this forum. Another thread should be opened once he's traded. At that point it will be moved to the nba forum where the rest of the garbage belongs.

 

[venom_7]

Favor,

close the thread. This is annoying, seriously. I'm sick of Ron being the main topic of discussion in this forum. Another thread should be opened once he's traded. At that point it will be moved to the nba forum where the rest of the garbage belongs.

Favor,


stop posting in these threads if you find them annoying. How easy was that?

 

[Arby's Roast Beef]

The most beautiful sight outta all of this. Lakers in the 4th quarter down 2. They are swinging the ball through the triangle, Artest gets it. Kobe comes off a screen calling for the ball. Artest completely ignores him as he proceeds to do his whacky little crossover repeatedly for a 12 count on the shot clock. He finishes by jacking a fadeaway jumper over two guys which he misses. Kobe does his "I'm a great teammate" thing and gets in Artests mug and starts yelling at thim like he is Sasha Vujab****. Ron gets mad and punches Kobe in the face. Nobody can tell if Pau Gasol looks surprised or disgusted because he always has a combination of both looks on his face anyway. Andrew Bynum looks awkward, but not because of the situation. Its because he knows he looks like a teenage mutant ninja turtle and he doesn't want anybody to notice (its the reason he never stands next to Al Harrington.) Turiaf, even though he is on the Warriors (the team the fakers are playing at the time) trys to come to Kobe's aid but Artest punks him too. Phil Jackson just sits there with his patented facepalm, and the league suspends the Lakers franchise from the NBA for 10 years. And they call a foul on Kobe's nose for hurting Ron's fist and a technical on Derek Fisher for flopping.


Its gonna happen, I can feel it.

This could happen to any team Ron joins. But come on now, it's way too early to be considering something of that magnitude...even if it might happen.

 

[pilot305]

Favor,

close the thread. This is annoying, seriously. I'm sick of Ron being the main topic of discussion in this forum. Another thread should be opened once he's traded. At that point it will be moved to the nba forum where the rest of the garbage belongs.

How about close this thread right AFTER he gets traded. If you close it now, another one will soon be started up with the same discussion.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

is there anything else to talk about right now? .. trading your star player when its a huge possibility is something to talk about.

 

[TheRaven]

Well, all we can do is hope this works out as best as it possibly can for the Kings.

My concern now is what sort of value we might get in return from a possible trade. Before the deadline, that Najera and a 1st deal didn't seem quite fair value for Artest. I hope we don't end up regretting Petrie passing on it, because it doesn't look quite as bad considering the current situation and how deep a draft it was.

 

[Warhawk]

Favor,


stop posting in these threads if you find them annoying. How easy was that?

I'd even go so far as to say just stop reading them.