And Cousins would be in the colors of that team I cannot even bring myself to name? Oh hells no. The mere idea of looking forward to having them demolish us 4 times a year during the regular season and any time we met them should we happen to meet after mid-April for the rest of my life makes me want to hurl.
Would you do a Demarcus Cousins for Kyrie Irving trade?
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Thanks guys for your input, I realized I have undervalued Cousins and I agree to that someone's post that Cousins is a better player, playmaker, and defender than Kyrie. My initial thought was I was going with a Portland or GSW building block where we can start over again and build a guard who has similar capabilities as them. When I saw the news about the Cavs not liking Kyries play as of late I thought Kyrie could be that guy, a young talented 23 year old guard who is full of potential. I take it back I wouldn't want a Cousins for Kyrie trade either. To people who thinks I am a Cavs fan just because I registered as a new member, I am not I have been a Kings fan for 16 years since I moved here in California, my all time favorite Kings player is Peja Stojakovic.
Your point was we need to get a lot in return. That we would be on the other end of the Webber, Richmond deal. Right? Well my point is that Cousins and the Kings may never be right for one another. Maybe we lose overall on a Cousins trade. But both Cousins and the Kings could gain in the long term. Would Webber have had the good years if he had stayed with the GSW his whole career?
The kings would be better with Irving? LAUGH OUT LOUD!!! If you think the kings can't build around cousins what makes you think they can do it with anyone else? You know whats gonna happen? In the ultimate karmic retribution, the kings are gonna trade "problem child" cousins for "consumate professional/champion" Dwayne Wade. Just like the rock for Webber except we will be the losers cause #kangz
Since you mentioned Booker, a thought occurred to me--would Phoenix be an option? I don't like trading Cousins in division, but it would be more palatable than to the Lakers. I honestly haven't paid much attention to them this season, but people are raving about Booker here, I've read that Len might finally be living up to his hype, they have some other interesting pieces like Warren, not to mention their pick (likely top 5), the Wizards pick, and the Cavs pick this summer.
Teams like PHX and Orlando are really interesting, because both teams could put together really nice deals together for Boogie and still keep their 2 best players. Len has been fantastic the last 2 months or so and really come into his own on both ends of the floor. He's insanely talented and actually reminds me of a less athletic Boogie on offense. He's got the 15 foot jumper in his arsenal and he's an excellent passer. I'd pull the trigger if we got a Len+Booker+PHX 2016 pick package for him.
Seems steep for the Suns, but they all of a sudden have a core of Bledsoe, Knight, Cousins, Chandler, Tucker with a couple other picks as a core. They'd be able to make a pretty solid playoff run for sure.
For us, we'd be looking at a:
Len
Booker
WCS
2 top 10 picks
With Gay as an attractive piece to sell off to help the rebuild further. There's a lot to like with that start in the post-Cousins era.
Seems steep for the Suns, but they all of a sudden have a core of Bledsoe, Knight, Cousins, Chandler, Tucker with a couple other picks as a core. They'd be able to make a pretty solid playoff run for sure.
For us, we'd be looking at a:
Len
Booker
WCS
2 top 10 picks
With Gay as an attractive piece to sell off to help the rebuild further. There's a lot to like with that start in the post-Cousins era.
Good thing that's not what I said now isn't it? His game reminds (now once more for emphasis) reminds me of boogie. He's got the range for a big man. He can take his man off the dribble and drive to the rim. He scores in a bevy of different ways in the post, ala boogie.
No he's not as good and won't be because boogies quickness and agility is what separates him from everyone else. Doesn't mean he can't have similar basketball traits offensively
No he's not as good and won't be because boogies quickness and agility is what separates him from everyone else. Doesn't mean he can't have similar basketball traits offensively
And now let me bring this thread down to Earth again.
Alex Len isn't fit to carry Boogie's soiled jock.
Alex Len and Devin Booker have indeed been putting up better raw numbers....because their team is iu utter free fall and they are both just chucking up an insane number of terribly inaccurate junk shots as their accuracy has plummeted upon being asked to be main weapons. The grass is NOT greener:
Alex Len since the All Star break: 15.5ppg on .389FG% and .471TS%.
Devin Booker since the All Star break: 17.9ppg on .379FG% (.282 3pt%) and .494TS%
These are the kids who we think are going to carry us forward. There remains an immense lack of appreciation for just how special a bird we already have in hand as people propose swapping it for just any two dodos in the bush.
Alex Len isn't fit to carry Boogie's soiled jock.
Alex Len and Devin Booker have indeed been putting up better raw numbers....because their team is iu utter free fall and they are both just chucking up an insane number of terribly inaccurate junk shots as their accuracy has plummeted upon being asked to be main weapons. The grass is NOT greener:
Alex Len since the All Star break: 15.5ppg on .389FG% and .471TS%.
Devin Booker since the All Star break: 17.9ppg on .379FG% (.282 3pt%) and .494TS%
These are the kids who we think are going to carry us forward. There remains an immense lack of appreciation for just how special a bird we already have in hand as people propose swapping it for just any two dodos in the bush.
The Celtics gave up a 15-10 kid with limited defensive potential to get a superstar.
Any trade for Cousins would be the same thing.
Rebuilds are crap when you already have a superstar in the fold. Then all you are doing is wasting time going out hoping/praying you can find again what you just gave away. And hey, it only took 30 years to find Cousins, so happens all the time and all that.
It took Philly 5 years to get another star in town to replace Charles, and it was A.I. I wonder how weenie Kings fans would have reacted to that guy's antics? or Sir Charles' for that matter. In any case, A.I. never got them over the top either, and since he's left they have never recovered and have been playing gimmick games for years.
It took Minny 3 years after KG to eventually get Love, on a lucky draft day trade even. Love was never able to get them over the top either, then they dumped him and have gotten worse. Maybe in a couple of years they can tar and feather Wiggins and KAT too and start over again.
The Hornets (now Pels) traded Mourning and even putatively got back a lesser star in Rice. Good for a couple of harmless playoff runs, then 5 years in the wilderness, and a franchise relocation before CP3 arrived.
The Magic had to wait 4-5 years to try to TMac/Hill gambit after they lost Shaq. That didn't get far, and a few years later they were rebuilding again around Dwight. They lose Dwight, obviously declining, and they still have never been as good while searching for a new "the man".
For all the hoopla about Denver thriving without Melo, that lasted about a year and a half. Its distant memory now as they struggle along without a star and hoping to just get lucky with some kid or the other. Mudiay will be there new hoe. Maybe ready by 2018.
The Wizards dumped Webber, before he was truly a superstar, and waddled on for years until lucking into Arenas. Then that ended uin diaster and finally resulted in Wall some dozen years after they dumped Webb.
The Bulls had a 10 year hangover between Jordan and Rose. And of course the Rose era lasted about 2 years when it finally came.
If you have a star and lose him, it can take years, half a decade or more in many cases, before you find another guy who truly is. If you were to trade Cuz and get back anything less than KAT, Porzingis, or the #1, this whole board, if it even survived, would likely be a whole lot greyer before they saw his like again.
Any trade for Cousins would be the same thing.
Rebuilds are crap when you already have a superstar in the fold. Then all you are doing is wasting time going out hoping/praying you can find again what you just gave away. And hey, it only took 30 years to find Cousins, so happens all the time and all that.
It took Philly 5 years to get another star in town to replace Charles, and it was A.I. I wonder how weenie Kings fans would have reacted to that guy's antics? or Sir Charles' for that matter. In any case, A.I. never got them over the top either, and since he's left they have never recovered and have been playing gimmick games for years.
It took Minny 3 years after KG to eventually get Love, on a lucky draft day trade even. Love was never able to get them over the top either, then they dumped him and have gotten worse. Maybe in a couple of years they can tar and feather Wiggins and KAT too and start over again.
The Hornets (now Pels) traded Mourning and even putatively got back a lesser star in Rice. Good for a couple of harmless playoff runs, then 5 years in the wilderness, and a franchise relocation before CP3 arrived.
The Magic had to wait 4-5 years to try to TMac/Hill gambit after they lost Shaq. That didn't get far, and a few years later they were rebuilding again around Dwight. They lose Dwight, obviously declining, and they still have never been as good while searching for a new "the man".
For all the hoopla about Denver thriving without Melo, that lasted about a year and a half. Its distant memory now as they struggle along without a star and hoping to just get lucky with some kid or the other. Mudiay will be there new hoe. Maybe ready by 2018.
The Wizards dumped Webber, before he was truly a superstar, and waddled on for years until lucking into Arenas. Then that ended uin diaster and finally resulted in Wall some dozen years after they dumped Webb.
The Bulls had a 10 year hangover between Jordan and Rose. And of course the Rose era lasted about 2 years when it finally came.
If you have a star and lose him, it can take years, half a decade or more in many cases, before you find another guy who truly is. If you were to trade Cuz and get back anything less than KAT, Porzingis, or the #1, this whole board, if it even survived, would likely be a whole lot greyer before they saw his like again.
I wish there were more that understood this simple concept. I could be wrong, but it seems like the majority that share this POV have been fans of this team since the beginning and have seen a lot over the past 30 years. I still remember hoping for the #1 pick in the Patrick Ewing draft. We only won the damn thing 1 time in 30 years and the reward was Pervis Ellison in one of the worst drafts ever. And as Kings luck would have it, that 1989 draft was just slightly before it became en vogue to go right from high school. If that had started a few years earlier, the Kings might have had Shaquille O'Neal (yes, I'm sure he would have bailed just he he did to Orlando).
Still, the point remains -- Cousins is arguably the best draft pick the Kings ever made in their Sacramento existence and it took 25 years and luck with the 5th pick for it to happen. The chances of it happening again or another Chris Webber-esque trade are remote.
Still, the point remains -- Cousins is arguably the best draft pick the Kings ever made in their Sacramento existence and it took 25 years and luck with the 5th pick for it to happen. The chances of it happening again or another Chris Webber-esque trade are remote.
Sounds like i'm definitely the minority here, but yes, i would trade Cuz for Irving. I'd like to give 1 more shot at a team around Cuz next season, but if it all falls apart very quickly and by mid season we're finally looking at a full blown rebuild, I think Irving is a hell of a lot better than what many other teams will offer. I mean, would you rather get some package from the Celtics around Kelly Olynyk, Jared Sullinger, and draft picks? Nobody really gets equal value in a trade, and as good as Boogie is, every team in the league is going to low ball us based on his attitude and the fact that if we don't trade him, we'll likely get nothing in return.
What you want with a Cuz trade is a young stud in the making. From all of the rumors that i've read, nobody seems to have offered anything close to that so far. If/when the time comes to trade him, hopefully we'll see some better offers than what's been rumored, but i think we could do a lot worse than a player like Irving.
What you want with a Cuz trade is a young stud in the making. From all of the rumors that i've read, nobody seems to have offered anything close to that so far. If/when the time comes to trade him, hopefully we'll see some better offers than what's been rumored, but i think we could do a lot worse than a player like Irving.