Worst case scenario is Drummond.... Right ?
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Only way it happens is if they take on Salmons too. The Kings are not taking on salary over the min.
I'm not angry. You're welcome to throw out ideas like #5 for Deng if you'd like. But you referenced an article (which you didn't link) and claimed that the article said Chicago appeared to have a deal in place for a top-5 pick, and that's not true - it's not what the article said. I think accuracy is pretty important in a case like this or before you know it people think the deal is done. There's a big difference between "Chicago my be trying to get into the top-five by dangling Deng" and "Chicago looks to have a deal with a "top five team" for Deng." That's all.
Uncia03
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That article is all over the place. When it comes to the Kings he says that maybe they could trade #5 for Deng, then says maybe Tyreke (who lost his starting PG job) could be traded for Deng, and then goes on to say that Sacramento might want them to take on a bad salary like Salmons which would kill any deal out there.
I keep on mentioning that I like Barnes as a Luol Deng sort of player, so the Kings would be far better off drafting the younger/cheaper player than making a trade with Chicago, especially since Deng will probably not even be able to start the season on time while he recovers from surgery.
I would have zero problems trading for Deng if we end up drafting a big (Drummond/Robinson) and can put some pieces together to make a trade with Chicago, but there is no way I'm trading the #5 straight up for Deng when Barnes may be available there.
rainmaker
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Dude, this is how you titled your post:
A) I'm not sure that's throwing out an idea, but instead more likely implying a deal has already been agreed upon and B) every idea will be debated on here as we're passionate and that what's forums are for. Don't think Capt overly scrutinized or patronized you at all.
SacTownKid
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http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/06/10/SPFJ1OVIND.DTL
Drummond's size and mobility remind some of Andrew Bynam, Dwight Howard and Derrick Favors, but his on-court production hasn't matched his physical attributes. And no one is positive that he wants to play center.
He admitted that he has "no back-to-the-basket game," and compared himself to small forward Kevin Durant before adjusting his statement at the combine.
"I can put the ball on the floor and beat my guy off the dribble. I can knock down that 15-footer," Drummond said. "I'm not trying to model myself after anybody. I'm trying to create my own brand and my own mold. I don't want to be the next anybody. I want to be the only Andre Drummond."
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And that's all all positive if you are the Kings. Keep saying stuff like that and he could be a lock at 5 if he's there.
Drummond's size and mobility remind some of Andrew Bynam, Dwight Howard and Derrick Favors, but his on-court production hasn't matched his physical attributes. And no one is positive that he wants to play center.
He admitted that he has "no back-to-the-basket game," and compared himself to small forward Kevin Durant before adjusting his statement at the combine.
"I can put the ball on the floor and beat my guy off the dribble. I can knock down that 15-footer," Drummond said. "I'm not trying to model myself after anybody. I'm trying to create my own brand and my own mold. I don't want to be the next anybody. I want to be the only Andre Drummond."
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And that's all all positive if you are the Kings. Keep saying stuff like that and he could be a lock at 5 if he's there.
Dime Dropper
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Drummond measured a 33.5 inch vertical, not 38 inch as previously thought. Still pretty good but not jaw-dropping. Although I suspect he can do much better.
ElRey
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Yeah saw that today at Draft express measurements. Definitely takes the excitement away from 38 inch! haha. It'll mean he probably isn't a lock for top 3 anymore.
beb0p
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That numbers actually is very jaw-dropping to me - that is a big vert for a guy carrying 280 pounds. I tend to look at the no-step vert for big guys because how often do they get a running start for blocks or rebounds? Drummond's no-step is 31.5" - no one weighting 270+ has ever registered a no-step above 30". Shaq might have been able to do that but he didn't have a no-step vert (his max vert was 36"). Dwight Howard's no-step was 30.5" (he was 240 pounds). Cousins's no-step was 23.5" on a 290 pound body. So Drummond's vert is pretty sick to me. Whatever some of us think about his bball skill or work ethic, the dude is a freak of nature.
Vlade4GM
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That probably makes the most sense right now, but I can see Cleveland perhaps wavering between Beal and Drummond. Assuming there's no movement of course.
sidney
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Maybe, but if I was a Cavs fan I'd probably want Beal. They trotted out Daniel Gibson, Anthony Parker, and Lester Hudson last year. Yuck. If you've got a potential star sitting there at 4 who isn't risky and would fill a major hole I think you take him over a question mark like Drummond who would likely not start over Tristan/Varejao
vikinginferno
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I could see Washington taking Beal over MKG. Beal would be an amazing fit next to Wall while I am very unsure how MKG would fit in with Wall's terrible shooting and the rest of that weak shooting team. No matter what, there WILL be a very good player for us at the 5 slot.
Vlade4GM
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Absolutely, I think they should definitely take Beal if he's there, him and Irving would be great together, but I can see them perhaps wanting to wish upon a star with Drummond since his upside "could" be the franchise big that they'd like to pair Irving with.
Vlade4GM
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Yeah, they could go either way there, but they do seriously lack some character, heart, and leadership on that team, Gilchrist wins in those departments. Plus, they might find it helpful to Wall to get someone from his school. Still, you're right that they definitely lack in shooting.
bajaden
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I think you missed the Capt's point. He wasn't being critical of the content (which he may be) he was being critical of the source...
bajaden
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That would mean that Barnes would also be there, and if so, I take Barnes over Drummond...
Vlade4GM
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Really? I mean, I'm obviously not that into Drummond, but I'd take the chance on him over Barnes, who I pretty much project to be an okay-solid wing scorer at best. I think he belongs in the middle of the first round.
But - does Portland want Drummond badly enough we could swap 5 (Drummond) + 36 (who cares) for 6 (Barnes) + 11 (Henson?). OK, I'm dreaming a bit, but that would be kind of a perfect draft day for me.
I was wondering the same thing.
I would even throw in one or more of the following: Salmons, Outlaw, Hayes or Garcia. Take em all if they like!
Seriously though, would not surprise to me to see the Kings talk up Drummond at some point to get teams like Portland interested in moving up.
vikinginferno
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If we could leave this draft with Barnes and Henson (or I might even prefer Meyers Leonard), I would be ecstatic, but I have a feeling Portland would definitely need more than the 36 to give up the 11 pick while simply moving up 1 spot.
Well, in principle, yeah. That's why I used the word "dreaming". The only way this works out is if it's Barnes+Drummond available at #5, and Portland really really really wants Drummond (they probably don't want Barnes so badly because they hope to bring Batum back) and we convince them we like Drummond. And hey, if that doesn't work I'd certainly consider something like MT23 for the #10 (NO) or #11 (Por) pick if Henson or somebody else we want is there. MT23 might be a steep price for that, though. I'm not sure what his value is around the league exactly.
Vlade4GM
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At this point, the teams themselves don't even have it right since they (with the probable exception of one team) haven't made their final judgments on players yet.
We aren't. We're hypothesizing. Fantasizing, even. With a big red label on it that says "Warning! Speculation! This is where facts go to die!"
sidney
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They were talking about Matthews, Batum, and Aldrich being their main pieces moving forward. So they need a C and a PG. The rumor was they wanted to move up to 4. There is no PG or C projected around pick #4 except Drummond. But yes...lot of assumptions there so can't be certain.
Hallama
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SHC tweeting that Drummond is coming in for a workout on Thursday.
