Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I don't know if you've seen him play but Drummond has the quickness to play the 4 spot
Worst case scenario is Drummond.... Right ?
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I don't know if you've seen him play but Drummond has the quickness to play the 4 spot
rainmaker
Hall of Famer
That is such a weird analysis. Flat out weird. Have you seen Drummond play? There's no evidence to suggest his frame can't handle his weight. He doesn't have the injury concerns Oden had. He's 7% bodyfat which doesn't suggest his joints are suffering from carrying a bunch of blubber, where sub 9% bodyfat is when you get into permanent six pack territory, which means a 6 pack without flexing, or 24/7. Most extremely lean, muscular guys don't have joint/ligament problems due to their weight. It's the guys who put on fat everytime they stop working out and their weight constantly fluctuates that have the problems as their body structure keeps changing which makes life tougher on your joints/ligaments.
Would you say the same thing about Lebron? He came into the league at 250. Obviously at 18 he wasn't fully developed and someone with your perspective could have argued he would balloon up to 270, and as a SF his body would break down. Well, he's never had a serious injury and has played above the rime and an enormous amount of minutes for years.
But looking closer, Lebron now is about 260, on a 6'8" frame. That equates to 3.25 lbs per inch of height.
Drummond is 278 lbs on a 6'11" frame, or 3.35 lbs per inch of height.
Drummond is carrying an extra 1/10th of a lb per inch more than Lebron, which is basically nothing. Similar builds as well. I just don't see the issue here at all and wonder how you even came up with it. Never heard anything like it when talking about a guy with 7% bodyfat. With such low bodyfat and a substantial amount of muscle, and also considering the fact he lost the 22 lbs relatively quickly, it's not too hard to continue to train and cut off another 10-20 lbs aiming for endurance/explosiveness rather than size/power, which would allow him to basically lose more weight, maintain the 7%, without losing his strength and also seeing improvement in other areas. All just my opinion of course, but I just don't see this being a concern.
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ParniValjak
All-Star
ElRey
Starter
thanks for the link. Didn't know he skipped his senior year to go to college ball. so he was actually a high school senior playing his freshman year in college. That explains a lot.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
I'm now at the point where he's number one on my board. You can't afford to miss on him if he's there. Just too much potential for future domination with him and Cuz. Two problems: he'll probably be taken before 5 if his 38 inch vert is true and he does well in workouts; and he's likely too high risk a pick for Petrie, given that we will have to wait a few years to see his best.
I'm not even convinced the Kings can develop him properly. We seem fairly inept in that department.
I'm not even convinced the Kings can develop him properly. We seem fairly inept in that department.
ParniValjak
All-Star
I would normally agree with this but since we employer Clifford Ray our bigs have shown a great deal of improvement. If we can keep uncle Cliff for a couple of years, I am confident that Drummond can at least develop into a very good defensive player.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Okay, and then this from this morning's Sacramento Bee:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221463/Kings_See_Drummond_As_Seamless_Fit_Next_To_Cousins
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/09/4549471/is-he-the-best-pick-at-no-5-in.html#mi_rss=Kings/NBA
Glad I'm not the only one who sees the potential there. We don't have to take him, but damnit, for a prospect like that we have to at least take a look.
P.S. also good news that we are still planning on signing JT.
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/221463/Kings_See_Drummond_As_Seamless_Fit_Next_To_Cousins
http://www.sacbee.com/2012/06/09/4549471/is-he-the-best-pick-at-no-5-in.html#mi_rss=Kings/NBA
Glad I'm not the only one who sees the potential there. We don't have to take him, but damnit, for a prospect like that we have to at least take a look.
P.S. also good news that we are still planning on signing JT.
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Big Cuz 15
All-Star
if we could get drummond and swing MT in a trade for expiring & pick (jeff taylor)
our line up would be
cuz
drummond
taylor
williams
reke
that line up would be amazingly good defensively.
dominant bigmen - check
elite penetrator - check
elite defensive sf - check
that team would be built for the post season. now all we need is a coach that won't fluck it all up playing small ball.
our line up would be
cuz
drummond
taylor
williams
reke
that line up would be amazingly good defensively.
dominant bigmen - check
elite penetrator - check
elite defensive sf - check
that team would be built for the post season. now all we need is a coach that won't fluck it all up playing small ball.
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Big Cuz 15
All-Star
thank god. i see JT playing a nick collison role for us going into the future. a solid backup 4/5 doing all the dirty work
Mass
Starter
I'd rather have MT than Taylor. This lineup doesn't have any 3 points shooter. We need someone out there able to hit the 3's, to stretch the floor and give Reke and Cousins more space to operate. Don't underrate MT too much, he is very valuable and he has a pretty good contract. Trading him for an expiring and a mid first round pick would be a huge mistake.
roasthawg
Starter
Agreed.... we'd have our Ibaka/Collison duo or something somewhat similar maybe lol.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
So you take a look ....and then you pass. The only point in taking a look is making other teams believe you might take him. But taking a look and discussing life and basketball with him isn't going to get you anywhere. You can't discuss a guy into having fire in the belly for the game. If he tells you that he had an epiphany from God and now he's going to work his butt off every day to become the best player possible, are you really going to believe him? He either has the fire or he doesn't.. So you take a look, have a soda pop with him, and wish him the best.
Dime Dropper
All-Star
You better hope Drummond doesn't scratch the surface of his potential!
Even if we take it for granted the Drummond lacks a competitive fire, he still had a very productive freshman year. He wasn't as dominating as people thought he should have been, but his numbers were in line with what players like Greg Monroe, Deandre Jordan, and Joakim Noah put up in their freshman seasons. I think any team in the league would consider taking a player of that caliber with the 5th pick in the draft.
I still don't think we have to pass. I think Drummond goes no later than #4. With Charlotte shopping that pick around, he may very well go #2.
It seems that quite a lot of guys hanged out with Drummond in college and know exactly what was going on with him. No wonder he couldn't concentrate on improving his skills. I'm once again asking for a quote from a coach or teammate that this stupid lazy *** was team cancer and beat puppies every day.
Mass
Starter
It's very easy in my opinion. Petrie said we need to correct our two weaknesses: SF spot and a rim protector. Which one is the easiest to correct in free agency and/or with the personnel we already have? SF spot, no doubt. We can also use T-Will for that spot. Bigs like Drummond are not easy to find, and the potential is too high. I'm pretty sure we will have the chance to take one between Robinson and Drummond or Beal and Drummond. I'd be good with both Robinson and Drummond. Robinson is maybe the safest pick right now, but Drummond's potential is scary, and he is the exact kind of big we need right now. It's hard to pass on him, really hard.
Uncia03
Starter
Drummond freaks me out because he was just so awful in college. BUT...if Petrie believes that Drummond will work then I'd be fine with the pick-up.
And if Drummond does work out, the exact line-up you have up there would be the exact line-up I'd want to see.
I'd love to pick up a mid-1st round pick to get Taylor. You start him along-side Tyreke and T.Will, then you have a monster athletic defensive perimeter, with Drummond playing rim protector, and ideally Cousins getting better with the post-man defense...it would be the kind of grind-it-out half-court style which is perfect for DMC and Tyreke.
The only issue would be the perimeter shooting. Taylor showed that he can be a knock-down 3pt shooter, so if either T.Will or Tyreke get their shooting up a bit more, then I think we'd be ok.
jcwkings
All-Star
Drummond is not a bad choice next to Cousins. Lets Cousins focus more on offense rather than being the defensive anchor. Drummond would also give Reke easy lob opportunities when he drives inside.
Drummond
Cousins
?
Williams
Reke
this is not a bad lineup, we would have to get a vet SF that can shoot the 3(Thornton, Salmons, Jimmer should all be tradeable pieces)
Reke
Drummond
Cousins
?
Williams
Reke
this is not a bad lineup, we would have to get a vet SF that can shoot the 3(Thornton, Salmons, Jimmer should all be tradeable pieces)
Reke
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Isn't saying he was "awful" a little strong? I mean, he didn't put up Davis numbers but he certainly wasn't pulling a Mikki.
Kings Faithful
Starter
I'm game. The negativity on Drummond kind of reminds me of the Cousins talk from back then. They could be a incredible duo if it worked out...
If our team could just GET IT...and live up to our potential we've built a team with a massive amount of talent (whether they fit right now or not).
If our team could just GET IT...and live up to our potential we've built a team with a massive amount of talent (whether they fit right now or not).
OnYouLikeGlue
Bench
If Drummond could come anywhere close to his potential the Kings would have something no other team in the league has. 2 outstanding big men, they could just be dominant in the paint.
Uncia03
Starter
Awful really isn't too strong in this case.
I don't have any college teams that I really care about, and so I only watch college ball for the NBA prospects.
Drummond came into college as the 1a/1b top prospect along with Davis, and I was looking for a man-amongst-boys with his physical gifts, especially on the defensive end.
He is partially what made it painful to watch UCONN. He didn't rebound on the defensive end, he looked disengaged a good percentage of the time on both offense and defense.
So due to the expectations, his play was awful.
Now with all that said...he is a physical freak, so if he can reach near his potential, then you have to take him. That's why it's all about the risk vs. reward.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
But for how long? I don't remember too many 300 pound PF's chasing quicker players around the perimeter for their entire career. No matter how you look at it that could be a dangerous combination for a pair of human knees.
I'm happy that you have Cousins at PF, but man, I thought Evans at PG was over.
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SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
Many times, and to be honest I was rarely super impressed as it was. I'm not saying I'm off the Drummond at #5 bandwagon but weight is weight, and the more weight you have the more your joints will pay the price. If he was a skilled big like Cousins or Duncan who don't rely on athleticism I wouldn't be too worried, but he isn't. That 38 inch vertical goes and so may his career and most of his value to a team like the Kings. Think about it, this is a kid who still isn't even totally filled out yet and doesn't have a Dwight Howard body whatsoever at the moment. When he does get that body you're probably talking anywhere from 15-20 pounds added to that frame, that's a lot of weight period. I'm not buying into the losing 22 pounds thing. That means he was 300 in college? And still that underdeveloped? No way.
Lebron weighed in at 245 and he was much more developed than Drummond looks right now. Comparing what Lebron is potentially weighing in right now in his prime vs. a kid that could still grow taller even isn't a true indicator of much.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
So what? I hope Drummond has no skills and never wants the ball! Just play defense, use your length, and cover Cousins like Whiteside did in that first summer league. You can teach positional defense. It's hard to take a guy who looks like he has very little skill offensively and transform him into a franchise player but the Kings have that covered with Cousins so big whoop.
Holy **** summer league could be really fun to watch this year:
PG: Zeke Jr.
SG: Jimmer
SF: Honeycutt
PF: Drummond
C: Whiteside
!!!
