Worst case scenario is Drummond.... Right ?

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Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, Beal and Robinson are all gonna be gonzo... Take the chance on Drummond.... right ? We lost the lottery, but Drummond is the second lottery. He could end up a bust, but he could end up a poor man's Dwight Howard. How can you pass that up? And, if one of the first 4 GM's mess up in front of us, one of those 4 guys will slip to us. So, it's all gravy!
 
Anthony1 said:
Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, Beal and Robinson are all gonna be gonzo... Take the chance on Drummond.... right ? We lost the lottery, but Drummond is the second lottery. He could end up a bust, but he could end up a poor man's Dwight Howard. How can you pass that up? And, if one of the first 4 GM's mess up in front of us, one of those 4 guys will slip to us. So, it's all gravy!
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Worst case Barnes. or Beal.
 
I'm guessing you're anit-Beal because we need another SG like we need a hole in our heads, but at the same time, I think he's one of the few truly elite players in this draft.


Kings don't need to take Barnes at No.5. If we were at No.6, I could see it. Only way we take Barnes is if Petrie is scared off from Drummond because of his workout/interview, etc, etc.
 
Well with Portland picking right behind us I'm sure there will be plenty of rumors of them wanting to move up for Drummond. Their two biggest needs are going to be C and PG and they are kind of in no man's land there without either reaching or moving up.
 
Been saying here, Davis was a no brainer. MKG if we got #2. But after that, the next two players who fit our needs are Drummond and Henson, and Durmmond has vast potential. Still need to see what he says in interviews, and how he works out, but when you slide back to #5 Drummond is the guy who both fits the need and could turn out to be gold.
 
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God no on Drummond. He's Hassan Whiteside, DeAndre Jordan, Javale McGee and every other big, strong athlete with little talent and no drive. It speaks volumes when a guy supposedly as talented as Drummond and with virtually 0 other big men in college basketball his size, that he couldn't put up more than 10-7-2. Hassan Whiteside could put up those numbers in 25 minutes a game quite easily.
 
The_Jamal said:
God no on Drummond. He's Hassan Whiteside, DeAndre Jordan, Javale McGee and every other big, strong athlete with little talent and no drive. It speaks volumes when a guy supposedly as talented as Drummond and with virtually 0 other big men in college basketball his size, that he couldn't put up more than 10-7-2. Hassan Whiteside could put up those numbers in 25 minutes a game quite easily.
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Two of those three players you mentioned are $10mil a year players starting/playing big minutes on playoff teams. And that's got to be somewhere near the bottom of the bell curve for a Drummond.
 
Another problem that no one has brought up is that Drummond and Cousins wouldn't work. They are both Centers. Period. I would not want to see either of them chasing Mobile PF's around the perimeter and we're wasting Cousins if we expect him to become a mid-range jump shooting PF.
 
This is the first time since the Tyreke draft, that I'm pretty much at ease, because we are guaranteed a big time guy. Sure, anybody could turn into a bust, but I think at No.5 we simply take whoever falls to us. There are 5 truly elite players imo, and we are guaranteed one of those guys. Barnes and PJ3 barely miss the cutoff for me. I think both of those guys could be very solid players, but I don't see All-Star games in their future. Beal could easily be one of the best SG's to come along in quite some time. I know SG is the easiest position to fill (plus we already have Thornton and Jimmer), but I just think he might be like top 3 or top 4 talent, and you can't pass a guy like that up just because you're already covered at that position. If you have to trade somebody, you trade somebody. (Evans, Thornton or Jimmer).

As for Thomas Robinson, dude might be undersized, but if we end up stuck with him, I don't think it's such a bad thing. I mean the guy has the body of a NBA veteran. I can see him come into the league, and adapt very quickly. If MKG falls to five, it would be like mana from heaven. He would be the perfect ingredient to our current roster. (if only he could stroke 3's) Drummond and Robinson are really the two guys that are kinda iffy, for very different reasons, but if we end up stuck with either dude, I'm perfectly cool with it. I'm not going to be stressed out at all waiting for draft day. Petrie just needs to take the guy that falls to him. Don't get cute and draft Henson or PJ3 or Barnes or Marshall. Stick to the strip and take one of the top 5 guys that could one day be All-Stars...

Yeah, I guess my only worry is Petrie.
 
Don't you guys know Petrie? Look at last year. The worst case scenario is us trading down and taking a player who can't crack the top 8 rotation, taking on a bad contract, and trading away a key guy such as IT or MT and getting nothing of value in return.

Picking where we are is not worst case scenario. We simply just could have picked Faried or Leonard. What we did instead was considerably worse.
 
Bricklayer said:
Two of those three players you mentioned are $10mil a year players starting/playing big minutes on playoff teams. And that's got to be somewhere near the bottom of the bell curve for a Drummond.
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I wouldn't call 22 and 25 minutes a game "big minute" players. They aren't the reason those teams made the playoffs.

Jordan was stupidly overpaid for an 8-8-2 big who plays 25 minutes a game and a team is going to be in a world of hurt if they pay McGee anywhere close to $10 mil. We shouldn't waste a top 5 pick on a guy who essentially is coming out of school with the same numbers/skill set as Hassan Whiteside
 
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rainmaker said:
Picking where we are is not worst case scenario. We simply just could have picked Faried or Leonard. What we did instead was considerably worse.
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Yeah, no question... Last year drove me crazy. I was screaming at my TV, wondering why we didn't take Brandon Knight. Now, it's true that Knight had a pretty craptacular rookie campaign, but I still like his upside much better than Jimmer. However, had we drafted Knight, I don't think we end up with IT, so maybe it's all for the best. I also wanted Leonard, but I'll admit I was more interested in Knight.
 
I am worried about Drummond, but he does have potential and talent, not to mention size/athleticism. But really, he does scare me. He really needs to show some drive and fire in workouts or else he can forget about reaching his potential.

No reason to overlook Robinson (who won't be there anyway), Barnes or Beal just because they don't fill our biggest need. You reach for need in the draft and you will regret it. Not easy to find that shotblocker, but it can be done in other ways. If we get Beal, there will obviously have to be some sort of trade as we're overloaded in those positions. And you'd worry that we'd trade the wrong guy (Reke) in that scenario. But Beal has a chance to be a very, very good player. Reminds me somewhat of Harden.

Barnes will be a good player, but he's not exactly what we need at SF. Still, he'd help us improve and fill a need. Have a feeling he will be our pick if we keep it. He can shoot the lights out and you know Geoff loves those players. He's also a solid defender and athlete, with good size for the position.
 
The_Jamal said:
Another problem that no one has brought up is that Drummond and Cousins wouldn't work. They are both Centers. Period. I would not want to see either of them chasing Mobile PF's around the perimeter and we're wasting Cousins if we expect him to become a mid-range jump shooting PF.
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Watch this vid -- Drummond moves well on the perimeter, especially if he's dropped 20lbs:


if JT can play PF, and Aldridge, and Tim Duncan and Dirk bleeping Nowitzki, no real reason this guy can't split the duties with Cousins depending on best matchups. Motor willing of course.
 
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Bricklayer said:
Watch this vid -- Drummond moves well on the perimeter, especially if he's dropped 20lbs:


if JT can play PF, and Aldridge, and Tim Duncan and Dirk bleeping Nowitzki, no real reason this guy can't split the duties with Cousins depending on best matchups. Motor willing of course.
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Hassan Whiteside can do the exact same thing. Drummond obviously has a lot more offensive potential, but if given equal minutes next year, I'd be willing to bet they put up the same numbers. I just don't see the benefit of taking a risk on Drummond when 1. We have a player like him already, 2. He plays the same position as our best player and 3. There will be plenty of talent left at 5 for us to take
 
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No on Drummond. That's all we need - a talented immature perpetual underachiever. Pick the BPA and make sure you don't have Drummond in the top 5.
 
Drummond will actually go well with Cousins, since he has the things that Demarcus lacks, mainly athleticism, shot blocking.

Top 5 players in draft appear to be Davis, MKG, Robinson, Drummonds, Beal...we should get a good player from this draft. All of which we could really use on our roster, well except Beal, but we could always make a trade if we draft him.
 
I honestly don't think Drummond gets to us. Charlotte ought to give him a serious look. The Wizards might pass, but even so Cleveland probably doesn't.
 
rainmaker said:
Don't you guys know Petrie? Look at last year. The worst case scenario is us trading down and taking a player who can't crack the top 8 rotation, taking on a bad contract, and trading away a key guy such as IT or MT and getting nothing of value in return.

Picking where we are is not worst case scenario. We simply just could have picked Faried or Leonard. What we did instead was considerably worse.
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i smell magoof odor on that deal. magoofs made it transparent they wanted jimmer. i think jimmer would have done ok if there was a coach that knew how to utilize his skill set.
 
Big Cuz 15 said:
i smell magoof odor on that deal. magoofs made it transparent they wanted jimmer. i think jimmer would have done ok if there was a coach that knew how to utilize his skill set.
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One wonders how exactly. Without the ability to defend SGs or PGs, without the ballhandling to run the point, as a non-existent rebounder and physical force...how?
 
Big Cuz 15 said:
i smell magoof odor on that deal. magoofs made it transparent they wanted jimmer. i think jimmer would have done ok if there was a coach that knew how to utilize his skill set.
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Yes but unfortunately, to the benefit of no one, the brothers Maloof are still the official owners of this team.
 
Capt. Factorial said:
I honestly don't think Drummond gets to us. Charlotte ought to give him a serious look. The Wizards might pass, but even so Cleveland probably doesn't.
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I tend to agree with this. Drummond appears high risk - high reward type of guy and I am thinking one of the teams before us will look at him seriously. I am thinking Cavs most likely. They have their PG, a long term prospect at PF and would be looking for a big man to man the middle.

Charlotte you just can't trust because if you look at their 1st round picks over the year, they are just going to **** it up and pick a player that is going to bust.
 
Bricklayer said:
One wonders how exactly. Without the ability to defend SGs or PGs, without the ballhandling to run the point, as a non-existent rebounder and physical force...how?
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he has one particular skill and that is shooting. we didn't run him in any pick and roll sets consistently.
 
Drummond isn't the worst case, he's just the most difficult scenario. If Drummond and Barnes are both there, who do you really feel better about? Drummond could be exactly the thing or he could be a big bust. Barnes has less a chance of being a bust, but might end up rather ordinary without the right situation. Drummond might also need the right situation. It's tough for me to call the Kings the ideal situation for any young player. Between Barnes and Drummond, it's a battle of projected #1s that have fallen down the ranks.
 
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