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That is a huge price to pay for Russell although they're probably happy to finally be out from under the shadow of Wiggins's contract.
That is a huge price to pay for Russell although they're probably happy to finally be out from under the shadow of Wiggins's contract.
That is a huge price to pay for Russell although they're probably happy to finally be out from under the shadow of Wiggins's contract.
So warriors trade KD for Wiggins!
So warriors trade KD for Wiggins!
Timberwolves won the trade, easily: they got the guy they wanted, they got rid of Wiggins' dead weight, and they didn't have to give up what's probably going to be a Top 3 (and definitely a Top 5) pick this year.Not sure who wins this trade.
GSW, I suppose. Since they'll get an unprotected 1st round pick in 2022 if it's not conveyed in 2020 (top 5 protected) or 2021 (top 3 protected).
That's what I read, anyway. Haven't confirmed.
Timberwolves won the trade, easily: they got the guy they wanted, they got rid of Wiggins' dead weight, and they didn't have to give up what's probably going to be a Top 3 (and definitely a Top 5) pick this year.
The criticism about Russell is valid, but he's still not a net negative in the same way that Wiggins is. Minnesota dumping his contract, without having to give up this year's pick, is an unqualified win.
God I hate the Warriors
The criticism about Russell is valid, but he's still not a net negative in the same way that Wiggins is. Minnesota dumping his contract, without having to give up this year's pick, is an unqualified win.
Watch Wiggins blow up for GSW once the splash brothers return. But Dray might end up hurting him.
I feel this is what is going to happen. Maybe not the Dray part lol. But GSW has the opportunity to turn Wiggins into what he was supposed to be. Mind you, Wiggins was a massive prospect. He's sucked for Minny but you never know.
I actually hope GSW get the Minny pick this year because the draft is so weak.
Not sure who wins this trade.
GSW, I suppose. Since they'll get an unprotected 1st round pick in 2022 if it's not conveyed in 2020 (top 5 protected) or 2021 (top 3 protected).
That's what I read, anyway. Haven't confirmed.
The team that traded away Wiggins won the trade no matter what they got in return
If you're talking about their pick, that was going to happen, with or without this trade. If you're talking about Minnesota's pick, they didn't get it.I think the Warriors win this, if nothing else they now have what will certainly be a high pick for KD walking out on them.
Like I've said numerous times recently, a players success usually boils down to proper fit. Being in the right spot. That's how players go from disappointments in one place to a success some place else. Happens all the time.
Not only that, but once a team gives up on a player it often motivates to work harder than ever before. Wiggins has disappointed for sure, but he's not some no talent journeyman. He's got a ton of talent. And will now be working with guys that are known to work really hard on their craft and know how to win. And have a knack for making others look really good.
Like you, I won't be at all surprised if he ends up turning heads there. He may not becomes all-world, but I'll actually be a bit surprised if it's more of the same.
They are getting a pick in 2021 though? Or have the reports changed? Knowing Minny I still expect it to be a high pick.If you're talking about their pick, that was going to happen, with or without this trade. If you're talking about Minnesota's pick, they didn't get it.
*ProtectedThey are getting a pick in 2021 though? .
*Protected
Meh. D'Angelo Russell is a better player than Andrew Wiggins, even if only just. Golden State should have been able to do better than a mediocre player on a dead-end contract and conditional picks for him.And hardly at that. This is what good franchises do, they commit to the easiest and most logical path forward. We all wondered how do Curry, Klay, and Russell fit? Well guess what? We never have to find out. They didn't and before it even became an issue they cashed out. This is how you run a franchise.
Meh. D'Angelo Russell is a better player than Andrew Wiggins, even if only just. Golden State should have been able to do better than a mediocre player on a dead-end contract and conditional picks for him.
The Warriors have a pretty good track record picking 4-14. Plus it makes a nice trade chip if desired.*Protected
No, we cannot. He's had the counting stats, sure, but he's always had those. The advanced numbers point to him being terrible. There are 33 players in the NBA averaging at least 20 points per game this season. Do you know where Andrew Wiggins ranks out of those 33 players in:I'm no Wiggins fan but can we at least admit he's had a pretty good year?
No, we cannot. He's had the counting stats, sure, but he's always had those. The advanced numbers point to him being terrible. There are 33 players in the NBA averaging at least 20 points per game this season. Do you know where Andrew Wiggins ranks out of those 33 players in:
- Box Plus/Minus? 33rd, aka Dead ****ing Last.
- Player Efficiency Rating? 31st (only Buddy Hield and Bojan Bogdanovic are worse).
- True Shooting%? 32nd (only ahead of Russell Westbrook).
- Offensive Rating? 32nd (only ahead of Buddy Hield).
- Defensive Rating? 26th
- Win Shares? 32nd (only ahead of D'Angelo Russell).
- Win Shares per 48? Dead ****ing Last.
The advanced numbers support the thesis that Andrew Wiggins is the worst "big time" scorer in the entire league. So no, we cannot admit that he's had a "pretty good" year.