stooojakovic
Prospect
Hey i'm israeli so i'm wondering this coming season will I actually get to see Omri play, or will he be like the 15th man or something.
Will Omri get minutes?
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
Well as a fan, there's no way I can give you any guarantees, but my guess is that he will get minutes. He's definitely not the 15th man. Kenny Thomas has the seat reserved. I think we'll have a better idea when we see who's on the team after the preseason. Its possible that Nocioni or Greene, or whoever, could be moved in a trade before the season.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
He was our 23rd pick so i'm assuming he should be getting at least 15 MPG most nights.
King Baller
All-Star
If one of the "contenders" loses their "3" to an injury Noc could be gone. That would change everything for Omri regarding minutes.
With the Klieza signing the Nuggets may shop around for a big tough SF who can score.
Otherwise if Noc is here playing 30 something minutes Omri is looking a 8-10 minutes a game. Unless he is one of those rare guys that comes into the NBA and makes shot after shot (That would be nice
).KB
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
We're 4 deep at that position, and all of the other guys (Noc/Cisco/Greene) are likely ahead of Omri at this point (although Greene = maybe, maybe not), so...no guarantees. If we go into the season with this same roster it will be a struggle for him to find a spot in the roation. On the other hand if we trade one of the veteran guys ahead of him, then he and Greene probably duke it out for solid backup minutes.
Our SF position is loaded with players ( Nocioni, Garcia, Greene, and potentially Martin if the crazy idea of using Martin at #3 happens ) All of the mentioned players are much older than Casspi in terms of NBA experience - which just means if we have a "traditional coach" who subscribes to the old way of running a team and developing young players, Casspi won't be seeing decent minutes in actual games for his development. He would play a lot in practice games though, that is for sure.
I would suggest that you brace yourself with the notion that the best your player gets this coming season are garbage time minutes, so you don't get frustrated like I would be. Unless, Westphal turns out to be the wise coach who's eyes are set in the future of this team and who will go for developing young players with potential ASAP, then you can count about 5-15 minutes per game.
I don't know if you've followed our youngsters last year, specifically Greene. You can almost tell that what happened to Greene might happen to Casspi. This Kings organization I've already known for not having that sense of urgency to improve the team as fast as they can. So, I wish your player the best of luck regarding actual playing time for his development.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
You guys/gals really think Omri will get substantial playing time?
I see him getting the type of minutes Greene got last year. Occasional big minute games when players are injured and maybe he gets himself in front of Greene in the rotation at some point during the season, but unless we make a deal or two I dont see where his minutes will come from.
You have to figure that Nocioni will get most of the SF minutes, and Cisco most of the backup minutes.
I guess he could get some pf minutes if May and Brock dont work out, but even there I think Greene will get any PF minutes if there available, he is just the bigger player.
I see him getting the type of minutes Greene got last year. Occasional big minute games when players are injured and maybe he gets himself in front of Greene in the rotation at some point during the season, but unless we make a deal or two I dont see where his minutes will come from.
You have to figure that Nocioni will get most of the SF minutes, and Cisco most of the backup minutes.
I guess he could get some pf minutes if May and Brock dont work out, but even there I think Greene will get any PF minutes if there available, he is just the bigger player.
Dreadnought
Bench
It'll most likely be Donte and Omri fighting for minutes the entire year. Probably 10-15 minutes on a good night.
Arby's Roast Beef
Starter
I've thought that Casspi could be a potential carbon copy of Nocioni, and I do think his hustle and workhorse instincts would endear him to the coaching staff. If Greene doesn't develop further, there's a good chance that he can steal the 3rd man SF minutes (probably around 8-12 mpg in that scenario). To me, optimal case is that Nocioni pushes his value up in the first half of the season so that if a playoff team has some injury/finds holes on their team they would probably want to trade for him. If we're getting expirings and/or young players playing other positions, I can see Casspi getting a real healthy bump in minutes at that point (especially moreso if he's actually proven himself somewhat before the deadline).
CruzDude
Senior Member sharing a brew with bajaden
Based on what I saw at summer league, Omri is potentially a much better rebounder than Noce, he is faster and several inches taller. He also has some 3-4 years of pro experience in Israel and the euro league.
Cisco is the 6th man whether at the 1, 2 or 3 or as a supplement to any of those positions. Tyreke and Beno fight for the 1 guard time along with Sergio. Omri is a 3 who can play the 2 but better suited to the 3. I see him getting 10-12 min for the first half the year unless he outplays Noce and Greene. His toughness matches Noce and his inside game matches Greene but much more controlled. Personally, I think Greene has put himself on a bubble even with all that talent so far unused.
After the all-star break, who knows..........could have a starting lineup of:
Hawes
JT
Omri
Martin
Evans
Wouldn't that be interesting?
Cisco is the 6th man whether at the 1, 2 or 3 or as a supplement to any of those positions. Tyreke and Beno fight for the 1 guard time along with Sergio. Omri is a 3 who can play the 2 but better suited to the 3. I see him getting 10-12 min for the first half the year unless he outplays Noce and Greene. His toughness matches Noce and his inside game matches Greene but much more controlled. Personally, I think Greene has put himself on a bubble even with all that talent so far unused.
After the all-star break, who knows..........could have a starting lineup of:
Hawes
JT
Omri
Martin
Evans
Wouldn't that be interesting?
Based on what I saw at summer league, Omri is potentially a much better rebounder than Noce, he is faster and several inches taller. He also has some 3-4 years of pro experience in Israel and the euro league.
Cisco is the 6th man whether at the 1, 2 or 3 or as a supplement to any of those positions. Tyreke and Beno fight for the 1 guard time along with Sergio. Omri is a 3 who can play the 2 but better suited to the 3. I see him getting 10-12 min for the first half the year unless he outplays Noce and Greene. His toughness matches Noce and his inside game matches Greene but much more controlled. Personally, I think Greene has put himself on a bubble even with all that talent so far unused.
After the all-star break, who knows..........could have a starting lineup of:
Hawes
JT
Omri
Martin
Evans
Wouldn't that be interesting?
I'm really hoping for that lineup, at least part of the time. I know I'm leaping off Assumption Cliff right into Conclusion Pond, but I suspect Omri is going to be a real bright spot for us...
I'd also like to see:
Hawes
JT
Omri
Evans
Sergio
...just to see what happens.
HighTopKicks
Bench
We should probably wait to see how things shake up in preseason, but since it's TDOS I'll jump in on the speculation.
Cisco is our main insurance policy in case Martin gets injured again. He's also our only backup at the 2 if Evans ends up seeing 30+ mins. at the 1. But, his only real advantage at the 3 is his 3pt shooting. At 6'7" and 200lbs he's an undersized SF.
Donte by his own admission was unprepared for the NBA his 1st yr. He seems to be working hard on his game and bulking up. The latter will probably hurt his 3pt shooting until he gets acustom to his new found strength. Which we saw during VSL. For now, Donte's value might be his ability to play PF since we are really not strong at the 4/5.
Noc is a vet who knows the game, plays defense, was the 3rd best rebounder at 6rpg, can shoot the 3 (44%) or drive to the rim. And, for right now he's our starting SF.
The Kings starting lineup is going to have a PG who drives & finishes or kicks out. Their SG who shoots 42% from the 3, but can drive & finish or drive & pull up for a short jumper or sometimes but not often pass. The PF has a decent short range jumper & crashes the offensive glass. And, the Center has a decent low post game or can shoot the 3. So, what do they need out of their SF?
Noc has the 3pt shooting, rebounding & defense that's going to be needed at the starting SF. Can Omri do the same things, yes. And, depending when he can do them better, will determine when he beats Noc out of minutes. In the mean time, the second string is really going to be weak. With Beno or Sergio at PG, Cisco at SG, May or Brockman at PF, and who knows who playing center, Omri has a chance at being the go to man but he has to show more in the preseason than he did in VSL.
But, Omri's really going to have to be deadly accurate from the 3 and a decent finisher at the rim. For now, based on the VSL, the NBA game is a little to fast for him. He doesn't run the fast break as well as Donte, he doesn't finish at the rim as well as Noc, and he doesn't shoot the 3 as well as Cisco. So, based on only what I've seen in the VSL, I'd put Omri as the 4th SF. I give him only garbage minutes until at least mid season. Again, maybe he'll show more in preseason. But, the Kings will be more interested in winning than in developing a late 1st round pick.
Cisco is our main insurance policy in case Martin gets injured again. He's also our only backup at the 2 if Evans ends up seeing 30+ mins. at the 1. But, his only real advantage at the 3 is his 3pt shooting. At 6'7" and 200lbs he's an undersized SF.
Donte by his own admission was unprepared for the NBA his 1st yr. He seems to be working hard on his game and bulking up. The latter will probably hurt his 3pt shooting until he gets acustom to his new found strength. Which we saw during VSL. For now, Donte's value might be his ability to play PF since we are really not strong at the 4/5.
Noc is a vet who knows the game, plays defense, was the 3rd best rebounder at 6rpg, can shoot the 3 (44%) or drive to the rim. And, for right now he's our starting SF.
The Kings starting lineup is going to have a PG who drives & finishes or kicks out. Their SG who shoots 42% from the 3, but can drive & finish or drive & pull up for a short jumper or sometimes but not often pass. The PF has a decent short range jumper & crashes the offensive glass. And, the Center has a decent low post game or can shoot the 3. So, what do they need out of their SF?
Noc has the 3pt shooting, rebounding & defense that's going to be needed at the starting SF. Can Omri do the same things, yes. And, depending when he can do them better, will determine when he beats Noc out of minutes. In the mean time, the second string is really going to be weak. With Beno or Sergio at PG, Cisco at SG, May or Brockman at PF, and who knows who playing center, Omri has a chance at being the go to man but he has to show more in the preseason than he did in VSL.
But, Omri's really going to have to be deadly accurate from the 3 and a decent finisher at the rim. For now, based on the VSL, the NBA game is a little to fast for him. He doesn't run the fast break as well as Donte, he doesn't finish at the rim as well as Noc, and he doesn't shoot the 3 as well as Cisco. So, based on only what I've seen in the VSL, I'd put Omri as the 4th SF. I give him only garbage minutes until at least mid season. Again, maybe he'll show more in preseason. But, the Kings will be more interested in winning than in developing a late 1st round pick.
gunks
Hall of Famer
I think he's going to not really average that many minutes at all, maybe around 12mpg POST allstar break, with a lot of DNP-CD before then.
The kid is just way raw, and like everyone else has mentioned...We have a glut of SFs.
OTOH, I think he's going to have some games late in the season where he shows his awesome glue guy potential. Maybe some 9/8/5 kinda stat lines in limited minutes (not an average!). The kid can pass, rebound, and he hussles. At this point I like him more then Greene and he hasnt even played an NBA game yet.
The kid is just way raw, and like everyone else has mentioned...We have a glut of SFs.
OTOH, I think he's going to have some games late in the season where he shows his awesome glue guy potential. Maybe some 9/8/5 kinda stat lines in limited minutes (not an average!). The kid can pass, rebound, and he hussles. At this point I like him more then Greene and he hasnt even played an NBA game yet.
NoBonus
Starter
Seems to me, in my memory, the rookies that get playing time are the ones that hustle, don't get shaken too easily, who listen to the coach, and who make fewer bad decisions. Mentally tough guys who can start out as role players.
Greene was clearly not NBA ready last season. He would make bad decisions and lose the mental battle with the refs/his mistakes. Douby tended to think he was the star and could not produce in limited minutes.
How many minutes will Omri get? Depends on how he can handle struggles on the court and accepting the role the coach wants him to fill. Could he play a lot of minutes? Sure. Could he ride a lot of pine? I hope not. It just depends on that X factor of how well you handle the stress of playing in the NBA. Are you a prima donna or think you are Michael Jordan? Welcome to the bench.
Greene was clearly not NBA ready last season. He would make bad decisions and lose the mental battle with the refs/his mistakes. Douby tended to think he was the star and could not produce in limited minutes.
How many minutes will Omri get? Depends on how he can handle struggles on the court and accepting the role the coach wants him to fill. Could he play a lot of minutes? Sure. Could he ride a lot of pine? I hope not. It just depends on that X factor of how well you handle the stress of playing in the NBA. Are you a prima donna or think you are Michael Jordan? Welcome to the bench.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Based on what I saw at summer league, Omri is potentially a much better rebounder than Noce, he is faster and several inches taller. He also has some 3-4 years of pro experience in Israel and the euro league.
Cisco is the 6th man whether at the 1, 2 or 3 or as a supplement to any of those positions. Tyreke and Beno fight for the 1 guard time along with Sergio. Omri is a 3 who can play the 2 but better suited to the 3. I see him getting 10-12 min for the first half the year unless he outplays Noce and Greene. His toughness matches Noce and his inside game matches Greene but much more controlled. Personally, I think Greene has put himself on a bubble even with all that talent so far unused.
After the all-star break, who knows..........could have a starting lineup of:
Hawes
JT
Omri
Martin
Evans
Wouldn't that be interesting?
It would be very interesting. Heck, I'd like to see Greene substitute for Omri in that lineup as well. Personally, I think Noc gets traded, either this year or next. The only thing that would stop that from happening is if Greene is a bust, and I don't see that happening (at least not yet).
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
Very true i don't think we've seen the real Omri on the court. I think his game is alot more defined then what we saw in VSL.
I'm still hoping for either Garcia or Noc to get moved so Greene and Omri will actually get legit time. AS much as I like Noc i would prefer it be him.
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