[Game] [VSL Game 4] Kings vs. Cavaliers. 7/16/2025 12:30 Pacific, 3:30 Eastern (ESPN 2)

The 3 of 4 players I was talking about are Monk, LaVine, DeRozan. I understand that in the modern game Deebo is slotted at the 3 but the reality is he doesn't play defense and occupies a spot that might be better left to Keegan Murray. The fact that all 3 of these guys are redundant and all want to start is a major issue. We should have never brought LaVine in while both Monk and Deebo were still here.

Out of all 3 though I would take LaVine over them all day. When healthy he's a star. The good news is the Kings aren't looking down the barrel of having long, drawn out contracts. As long as Perry doesn't blow it going for middle rung and spending to do it then 2027 is looking like the year to potentially get going. So, here we are with the two timelines team, the vets win or they don't. If they don't, time to start walking it back.
 
Out of all 3 though I would take LaVine over them all day. When healthy he's a star. The good news is the Kings aren't looking down the barrel of having long, drawn out contracts. As long as Perry doesn't blow it going for middle rung and spending to do it then 2027 is looking like the year to potentially get going. So, here we are with the two timelines team, the vets win or they don't. If they don't, time to start walking it back.
I'm mostly inclined to agree even on his contract, but the reality is those other two were here when we brought him in which created a heaping mess. Obviously Deebo was a huge swing and miss and probably broke the Beam Team's back.
 
Apparently it was a response to Ballmer but why the players accepted it is beyond me. It was obvious on first read it was bad all around just from the perspective of keeping homegrown (draft) talent on standard 2nd contracts. On the other hand it makes it clear that not every player who isn't a bust is a max player, which never sat well with me either.

It does... and it doesn't. There's still the problem of players who are on the fringes (or on the potential cusp) of stardom getting handed max money for less than max impact, and those can turn out to be the most crippling contracts if those players don't level up, because you end up overinvested in talent that won't help you win.
 
I have said repeatedly it is really really hard to trade small for big. It’s why you don’t draft a Carter or Davion in the lottery. Both were horrendous picks and you can see why. The Warriors see little value in a cost Controlled Carter. The team can’t give Monk away.

Anyone who says draft them early as best player available and we will figure it out later is not paying attention.
* Drafting Davion
* Drafting Carter
* Trading Fox for LaVine

All really bad moves that set this franchise back in a significant way.

While these moves may have set the franchise back, it's less that they did so in a vacuum, and more that they did so in the context of the current cap climate. Under the new CBA, it's going to be very difficult for most teams to improve their rosters unless they improve from within. Franchises are going to have to draft well, develop well, and make very shrewd trades that take advantage of franchises that haven't drafted well and/or developed well. The "old rules" don't apply as much. Look around the NBA; it's not just the Kings who can't give away players who represent roster redundancies. The entire league is operating in a state of torpor right now, unable to move in any meaningful direction because of the extreme constraints of the new CBA. In other words, the Kings are f***ed, but so is the rest of the NBA. Apart from drafting well and developing the young talent already on your roster, you just kind of have to luck into success right now.
 
It does... and it doesn't. There's still the problem of players who are on the fringes (or on the potential cusp) of stardom getting handed max money for less than max impact, and those can turn out to be the most crippling contracts if those players don't level up, because you end up overinvested in talent that won't help you win.
and yet we're seeing with Kuminga that they are playing hardball when before I think the team wouldn't have blinked. We also saw Jabari Smith Jr. get less than a max deal and I suspect that is also why Keegan is taking his time to sign an extension when I think prior to this CBA both of those guys would have got the non-Rose max deal without a second thought.
 
and yet we're seeing with Kuminga that they are playing hardball when before I think the team wouldn't have blinked. We also saw Jabari Smith Jr. get less than a max deal and I suspect that is also why Keegan is taking his time to sign an extension when I think prior to this CBA both of those guys would have got the non-Rose max deal without a second thought.
Yes it’s frustrating, but theoretically these rules should help small markets that play thing smart.
 
While these moves may have set the franchise back, it's less that they did so in a vacuum, and more that they did so in the context of the current cap climate. Under the new CBA, it's going to be very difficult for most teams to improve their rosters unless they improve from within. Franchises are going to have to draft well, develop well, and make very shrewd trades that take advantage of franchises that haven't drafted well and/or developed well. The "old rules" don't apply as much. Look around the NBA; it's not just the Kings who can't give away players who represent roster redundancies. The entire league is operating in a state of torpor right now, unable to move in any meaningful direction because of the extreme constraints of the new CBA. In other words, the Kings are f***ed, but so is the rest of the NBA. Apart from drafting well and developing the young talent already on your roster, you just kind of have to luck into success right now.
While I am not the biggest LaVine fan it was better to take him on than some of the unplayable guys San Antonio was offering. I guess we should have just let Fox destroy the team and blown it up this summer but not sure what other fallout that would have had.

I do think the biggest sin was Davion and basically between him and Sasha having to send out draft sweetener to move on from their deals. Especially when Davion wound up playing major minutes early for Toronto before eventually going to Miami where he was re-signed. Clearly he should have netted us a second rounder if nothing else rather than having to give one away.
 
Yes it’s frustrating, but theoretically these rules should help small markets that play thing smart.
The new CBA blew that out of the water all to (in theory) punish Ballmer and other big bucks new owners who were trying to buy instant contenders by manipulating their effective cap through trades. This really began in overdrive when Golden State lost Durant but somehow managed to make it a sign and trade so they could operate way over the cap.
 
While I am not the biggest LaVine fan it was better to take him on than some of the unplayable guys San Antonio was offering. I guess we should have just let Fox destroy the team and blown it up this summer but not sure what other fallout that would have had.

I do think the biggest sin was Davion and basically between him and Sasha having to send out draft sweetener to move on from their deals. Especially when Davion wound up playing major minutes early for Toronto before eventually going to Miami where he was re-signed. Clearly he should have netted us a second rounder if nothing else rather than having to give one away.
It’s easy to second guess. You shouldn’t think about it that way. You should ask if at the time someone would have been willing to give up something of value. But let’s move on with the new GM and not dwell on the past.
 
It’s easy to second guess. You shouldn’t think about it that way. You should ask if at the time someone would have been willing to give up something of value. But let’s move on with the new GM and not dwell on the past.
Less about second guessing than the basis for my overall post-Monte evaluation that he was too hasty to make deals and consistently left value on the table to secure his targets. I am hopeful Perry will be a little more hardball and walk away from the table when we are getting the short end of the stick without being a total whack-job like Ainge tends to be.
 
Less about second guessing than the basis for my overall post-Monte evaluation that he was too hasty to make deals and consistently left value on the table to secure his targets. I am hopeful Perry will be a little more hardball and walk away from the table when we are getting the short end of the stick without being a total whack-job like Ainge tends to be.

Man... evaluations of Monte are all over the place. Some think he was too conservative and unwilling to pull the trigger; some think he was too hasty and pulled the trigger too fast. I tend to think he was a moderately effective GM who drafted well, made some shrewd deals in addition to some less-than-helpful moves, and was often hamstrung by the mercurial owner for whom he worked. I'm guessing my evaluation of Perry will be similar when it's all said and done.
 
Man... evaluations of Monte are all over the place. Some think he was too conservative and unwilling to pull the trigger; some think he was too hasty and pulled the trigger too fast. I tend to think he was a moderately effective GM who drafted well, made some shrewd deals in addition to some less-than-helpful moves, and was often hamstrung by the mercurial owner for whom he worked. I'm guessing my evaluation of Perry will be similar when it's all said and done.
The deals that he didn't make are their own thing. Like I would have loved for him to trade with Toronto for Siakam or Anunoby if it hadn't been made clear that neither would re-sign with us and Keegan wasn't the asking price. With those two quantities known, I respect Monte for holding his guns rather than the "it's all Vivek he won't pay the tax!" line some people have.

I'm mostly basing my critique on how he almost always gave an extra second rounder in deals (or the pick swap in 2031 to San Antonio, and didn't get it reversed in the Fox deal) or why he didn't get some extra draft compensation in the Domas/Hali deal which I think wouldn't have held the deal up given that almost everyone thought we lost the trade from day one (I still think for all reasonable perspectives it was win-win). It seems like once he fell in love with a deal he could be nudged just enough to make us always just slightly lose a trade. I am really struggling to think of one single move he made that we can say we outright won.
 
The deals that he didn't make are their own thing. Like I would have loved for him to trade with Toronto for Siakam or Anunoby if it hadn't been made clear that neither would re-sign with us and Keegan wasn't the asking price. With those two quantities known, I respect Monte for holding his guns rather than the "it's all Vivek he won't pay the tax!" line some people have.

I'm mostly basing my critique on how he almost always gave an extra second rounder in deals (or the pick swap in 2031 to San Antonio, and didn't get it reversed in the Fox deal) or why he didn't get some extra draft compensation in the Domas/Hali deal which I think wouldn't have held the deal up given that almost everyone thought we lost the trade from day one (I still think for all reasonable perspectives it was win-win). It seems like once he fell in love with a deal he could be nudged just enough to make us always just slightly lose a trade. I am really struggling to think of one single move he made that we can say we outright won.

Except he did manage to extract a second-rounder out of Indiana in the Domas/Hali deal. And by the way, despite all the grousing about Domas from a certain segment of the fanbase, Monte also managed to work out a contract extension with Sabonis for less than the max, so if you're looking for a move he made that we outright "won", then it might be securing the services of an All-NBA center whose impact stats put him in the NBA's top 10-15 while not having to pay him top 10-15 money. 🤷‍♂️
 
Except he did manage to extract a second-rounder out of Indiana in the Domas/Hali deal. And by the way, despite all the grousing about Domas from a certain segment of the fanbase, Monte also managed to work out a contract extension with Sabonis for less than the max, so if you're looking for a move he made that we outright "won", then it might be securing the services of an All-NBA center whose impact stats put him in the NBA's top 10-15 while not having to pay him top 10-15 money. 🤷‍♂️
I do think the contract extension was good. I feel like most of the contracts have been reasonable, though it appears that all contracts are hard to move now.

I do think a FRP was warranted just because of the cost controls on each player but hey... its not 2k.
 
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