bajaden
Hall of Famer
I hate to nic pick, but Joe Axelson couldn't have picked Jerry Lucas since he didn't join the team until 1968. So I would assume that he was picked by Les Harrison.
Who is the best player the Kings have drafted and who was the GM who drafted him?
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I hate to nic pick, but Joe Axelson couldn't have picked Jerry Lucas since he didn't join the team until 1968. So I would assume that he was picked by Les Harrison.
Bricklayer
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Bruce Jenner, 1977, Axelson
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Ha Ha, thanks for the picker upper. Thats funny. I had forgotten he'd picked Jenner. The guy just had a nose for talent.
King Baller
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King Baller
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beb0p
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If you don't include the criteria that said player also must played for the Kings then the best player drafted by the Kings is Dejan Bodiroga by GP, for where he was picked (late 2nd rd) and the resulting career (future HOF) is quite simply mind-blowing. It's a shame he never donned the purple and black.
I don't think Peja, JWill, Hedo, or Corliss is going to the HOF like Bodiroga will, so I vote for the Eastern European.
I don't think Peja, JWill, Hedo, or Corliss is going to the HOF like Bodiroga will, so I vote for the Eastern European.
Löwenherz
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As mentioned by bajaden, Hall of Famers Jack Twyman and Maurice Stokes (both Les Harrison picks in 1955) deserve to be on your list.
Also possible is 4-time All-Star Otis Birdsong picked in 1977 by Joe Axelson.
And if we're going to mention Corliss ('95 Petrie) then we can probably add Brian Grant ('94 Petrie) and LaSalle Thompson ('82 Axelson)
King Baller
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New list:
1) Oscar Robertson picked in 1960 by Les Harrison.
I will list these others mentioned in no particular order:
) Tyreke Evans Picked in 2009 by Geoff Petrie.
) Peja Stojakovic picked in 1996 by Geoff Petrie.
) Kevin Martin picked in 2004 by Geoff Petrie.
) Nate "Tiny" Archibald picked in 1970 by Joe Axelson.
) Hedo Turkglu picked in 2000 by Geoff Petrie.
) Otis Thorpe picked in 1984 by Joe Axelson.
) Jerry Lucas picked in 1962? by Les Harrison.
) Gerald Wallace picked in 2001 by Geoff Petrie.
) Dejan Bodiroga picked in 1995 by Geoff Petrie.
) Jack Twyman picked in 1955 by Les Harrison.
) Maurice Stokes picked in 1955 by Les Harrison.
) Otis Birdsong picked in 1977 by Joe Axelson.
) Brian Grant picked in 1994 by Geoff Petrie.
) LaSalle "Tank" Thompson picked in 1982 by Joe Axelson.
1) Oscar Robertson picked in 1960 by Les Harrison.
I will list these others mentioned in no particular order:
) Tyreke Evans Picked in 2009 by Geoff Petrie.
) Peja Stojakovic picked in 1996 by Geoff Petrie.
) Kevin Martin picked in 2004 by Geoff Petrie.
) Nate "Tiny" Archibald picked in 1970 by Joe Axelson.
) Hedo Turkglu picked in 2000 by Geoff Petrie.
) Otis Thorpe picked in 1984 by Joe Axelson.
) Jerry Lucas picked in 1962? by Les Harrison.
) Gerald Wallace picked in 2001 by Geoff Petrie.
) Dejan Bodiroga picked in 1995 by Geoff Petrie.
) Jack Twyman picked in 1955 by Les Harrison.
) Maurice Stokes picked in 1955 by Les Harrison.
) Otis Birdsong picked in 1977 by Joe Axelson.
) Brian Grant picked in 1994 by Geoff Petrie.
) LaSalle "Tank" Thompson picked in 1982 by Joe Axelson.
Corliss?
I think he's a great guy, and he played hard almost every night. But a couple of players picked later than him (Finley, Ratliff) had 3 all-star appearances and a championship ring between them, and there were some other good players picked later, like Ostertag. I have kind of a hard time with the idea of Corliss being on the list of all-time-great picks in that context.
He was good. But '85 wasn't that bad of a draft.
Otis Thorpe had a long and workman-like career, but I also don't think we deserve any medals for picking him over John Stockton.
I think he's a great guy, and he played hard almost every night. But a couple of players picked later than him (Finley, Ratliff) had 3 all-star appearances and a championship ring between them, and there were some other good players picked later, like Ostertag. I have kind of a hard time with the idea of Corliss being on the list of all-time-great picks in that context.
He was good. But '85 wasn't that bad of a draft.
Otis Thorpe had a long and workman-like career, but I also don't think we deserve any medals for picking him over John Stockton.
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
No in hindsight your right, but at the time I don't think anyone would have argued over the choice. Gonzaga wasn't noted as the hotbed of college basketball at the time, and when you consider that Axelson didn't know a basketball from a pumpkin, to quote Oscar Robertson again, I think the Kings were lucky to get Thorpe. As you might have guessed, I'm not a big Axelson fan..
Löwenherz
Starter
All right, I had time to kill, so here's my rankings of the Kings/Royals top 25 draft picks. List player's name, position drafted, year and notable players drafted afterward. Tried to weigh it based on impact for Kings/Royals, overall league accomplishments, value of pick relative to position drafted and the value of those passed up. I didn't include anyone from the last five drafts (although rating Evans with the rest was kind of the point of the OP). Stokes is included, Ricky Berry is not. Neither is Bodiroga because I have a hard time including someone who never played for the team.
1) Oscar Robertson (1st round *Territorial Pick, 1960) (Jerry West, Lenny Wilkens)
2) Nate Archibald (2nd round, 19th overall 1970) (No one of interest)
3) Jerry Lucas (1st round *Territorial Pick, 1962) (John Havlicek)
4) Jack Twyman (2nd round, 10th overall, 1955) (K.C. Jones)
5) Maurice Stokes (1st round, 2nd overall, 1955) (Ken Sears, Jack Twyman, K.C. Jones)
6) Bobby Wanzer (1st round, 10th overall, 1948) (Harry Gallatin, Jack Coleman, Bill Gabor)
7) Peja Stojakovic (1st round, 14th overall, 1996) (Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neal, Zydrunas Ilgauskas)
8) Sam Lacey (1st round, 5th overall, 1970) (Nate Archibald, John Johnson, Geoff Petrie, Calvin Murphy)
9) Kevin Martin (1st round, 26th overall, 2004) (Anderson Varejao, Chris Duhon, Trevor Ariza)
10) Scott Wedman (1st round, 6th overall, 1974) (Maurice Lucas, Truck Robinson, Phil Smith)
11) Hedo Turkoglu (1st round, 16th overall, 2000) (Michael Redd, Jamaal Magloire, Eddie House)
12) Otis Birdsong (1st round, 2nd overall, 1977) (Bernard King, Walter Davis, Marques Johnson)
13) Bob Boozer (1st round, 1st overall, 1959) (Baily Howell, Dick Barnett, Johnny Green)
14) Brian Grant (1st round, 8th overall, 1994) (Eddie Jones, Jalen Rose, Aaron Mckie)
15) Gerald Wallace (1st round, 25th overall, 2001) (Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas, Mehmet Okur)
16) LaSalle Thompson (1st round, 5th overall, 1982) (Mark Eaton, Lafayette Lever, Eric "Sleepy" Floyd)
17) Otis Thorpe (1st round, 9th overall, 1984) (John Stockton, Kevin Willis, Michael Cage)
18) Adrian Smith (85th overall, 1958) (No one of interest)
19) Reggie King (1st round, 18th overall, 1979) (Bill Lambier, Mark Eaton, James Donaldson)
20} Corliss Williamson (1st round, 13th overall, 1995) (Michael Finley, Theo Ratliff, Greg Ostertag)
21) Lionell Simmons (1st round, 7th overall, 1990) (Tyrone Hill, Jayson Williams, Antonio Davis, Cedric Ceballos)
22) Jason Williams (1st round, 7th overall, 1998) (Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Rashard Lewis)
23) Flynn Robinson (2nd round, 15th overall, 1965) (Bob Love)
24) Walt Williams (1st round, 7th overall, 1992) (Robert Horry, Doug Christie, Latrell Sprewell)
25) Kenny Smith (1st round, 6th overall, 1987) (Kevin Johnson, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson)
*Some notes: More than 60 years of history; I MISSED someone. I know. It happens. This isn't scientific by any means and probably highlights my own Sac Era bias, but I think is a starting off point to bring the OP to its natural conclusion. PS. We've had some horrible drafts
1) Oscar Robertson (1st round *Territorial Pick, 1960) (Jerry West, Lenny Wilkens)
2) Nate Archibald (2nd round, 19th overall 1970) (No one of interest)
3) Jerry Lucas (1st round *Territorial Pick, 1962) (John Havlicek)
4) Jack Twyman (2nd round, 10th overall, 1955) (K.C. Jones)
5) Maurice Stokes (1st round, 2nd overall, 1955) (Ken Sears, Jack Twyman, K.C. Jones)
6) Bobby Wanzer (1st round, 10th overall, 1948) (Harry Gallatin, Jack Coleman, Bill Gabor)
7) Peja Stojakovic (1st round, 14th overall, 1996) (Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neal, Zydrunas Ilgauskas)
8) Sam Lacey (1st round, 5th overall, 1970) (Nate Archibald, John Johnson, Geoff Petrie, Calvin Murphy)
9) Kevin Martin (1st round, 26th overall, 2004) (Anderson Varejao, Chris Duhon, Trevor Ariza)
10) Scott Wedman (1st round, 6th overall, 1974) (Maurice Lucas, Truck Robinson, Phil Smith)
11) Hedo Turkoglu (1st round, 16th overall, 2000) (Michael Redd, Jamaal Magloire, Eddie House)
12) Otis Birdsong (1st round, 2nd overall, 1977) (Bernard King, Walter Davis, Marques Johnson)
13) Bob Boozer (1st round, 1st overall, 1959) (Baily Howell, Dick Barnett, Johnny Green)
14) Brian Grant (1st round, 8th overall, 1994) (Eddie Jones, Jalen Rose, Aaron Mckie)
15) Gerald Wallace (1st round, 25th overall, 2001) (Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas, Mehmet Okur)
16) LaSalle Thompson (1st round, 5th overall, 1982) (Mark Eaton, Lafayette Lever, Eric "Sleepy" Floyd)
17) Otis Thorpe (1st round, 9th overall, 1984) (John Stockton, Kevin Willis, Michael Cage)
18) Adrian Smith (85th overall, 1958) (No one of interest)
19) Reggie King (1st round, 18th overall, 1979) (Bill Lambier, Mark Eaton, James Donaldson)
20} Corliss Williamson (1st round, 13th overall, 1995) (Michael Finley, Theo Ratliff, Greg Ostertag)
21) Lionell Simmons (1st round, 7th overall, 1990) (Tyrone Hill, Jayson Williams, Antonio Davis, Cedric Ceballos)
22) Jason Williams (1st round, 7th overall, 1998) (Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Rashard Lewis)
23) Flynn Robinson (2nd round, 15th overall, 1965) (Bob Love)
24) Walt Williams (1st round, 7th overall, 1992) (Robert Horry, Doug Christie, Latrell Sprewell)
25) Kenny Smith (1st round, 6th overall, 1987) (Kevin Johnson, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson)
*Some notes: More than 60 years of history; I MISSED someone. I know. It happens. This isn't scientific by any means and probably highlights my own Sac Era bias, but I think is a starting off point to bring the OP to its natural conclusion. PS. We've had some horrible drafts
bajaden
Hall of Famer
All right, I had time to kill, so here's my rankings of the Kings/Royals top 25 draft picks. List player's name, position drafted, year and notable players drafted afterward. Tried to weigh it based on impact for Kings/Royals, overall league accomplishments, value of pick relative to position drafted and the value of those passed up. I didn't include anyone from the last five drafts (although rating Evans with the rest was kind of the point of the OP). Stokes is included, Ricky Berry is not. Neither is Bodiroga because I have a hard time including someone who never played for the team.
1) Oscar Robertson (1st round *Territorial Pick, 1960) (Jerry West, Lenny Wilkens)
2) Nate Archibald (2nd round, 19th overall 1970) (No one of interest)
3) Jerry Lucas (1st round *Territorial Pick, 1962) (John Havlicek)
4) Jack Twyman (2nd round, 10th overall, 1955) (K.C. Jones)
5) Maurice Stokes (1st round, 2nd overall, 1955) (Ken Sears, Jack Twyman, K.C. Jones)
6) Bobby Wanzer (1st round, 10th overall, 1948) (Harry Gallatin, Jack Coleman, Bill Gabor)
7) Peja Stojakovic (1st round, 14th overall, 1996) (Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neal, Zydrunas Ilgauskas)
8) Sam Lacey (1st round, 5th overall, 1970) (Nate Archibald, John Johnson, Geoff Petrie, Calvin Murphy)
9) Kevin Martin (1st round, 26th overall, 2004) (Anderson Varejao, Chris Duhon, Trevor Ariza)
10) Scott Wedman (1st round, 6th overall, 1974) (Maurice Lucas, Truck Robinson, Phil Smith)
11) Hedo Turkoglu (1st round, 16th overall, 2000) (Michael Redd, Jamaal Magloire, Eddie House)
12) Otis Birdsong (1st round, 2nd overall, 1977) (Bernard King, Walter Davis, Marques Johnson)
13) Bob Boozer (1st round, 1st overall, 1959) (Baily Howell, Dick Barnett, Johnny Green)
14) Brian Grant (1st round, 8th overall, 1994) (Eddie Jones, Jalen Rose, Aaron Mckie)
15) Gerald Wallace (1st round, 25th overall, 2001) (Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas, Mehmet Okur)
16) LaSalle Thompson (1st round, 5th overall, 1982) (Mark Eaton, Lafayette Lever, Eric "Sleepy" Floyd)
17) Otis Thorpe (1st round, 9th overall, 1984) (John Stockton, Kevin Willis, Michael Cage)
18) Adrian Smith (85th overall, 1958) (No one of interest)
19) Reggie King (1st round, 18th overall, 1979) (Bill Lambier, Mark Eaton, James Donaldson)
20} Corliss Williamson (1st round, 13th overall, 1995) (Michael Finley, Theo Ratliff, Greg Ostertag)
21) Lionell Simmons (1st round, 7th overall, 1990) (Tyrone Hill, Jayson Williams, Antonio Davis, Cedric Ceballos)
22) Jason Williams (1st round, 7th overall, 1998) (Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Rashard Lewis)
23) Flynn Robinson (2nd round, 15th overall, 1965) (Bob Love)
24) Walt Williams (1st round, 7th overall, 1992) (Robert Horry, Doug Christie, Latrell Sprewell)
25) Kenny Smith (1st round, 6th overall, 1987) (Kevin Johnson, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson)
*Some notes: More than 60 years of history; I MISSED someone. I know. It happens. This isn't scientific by any means and probably highlights my own Sac Era bias, but I think is a starting off point to bring the OP to its natural conclusion. PS. We've had some horrible drafts
Most of our worse drafts were in a five year period starting with Joe Axelson and followed by Dick Motta. Also some of our worse trades. And if you go back to the 1968 to 1975 Royals, there was another horrible period, with once again, Joe Axelson at the helm. Ya gotta give the guy credit. He was consistant, and maybe the only GM in NBA history that was worse than Isiah Thomas.
King Baller
All-Star
All right, I had time to kill, so here's my rankings of the Kings/Royals top 25 draft picks. List player's name, position drafted, year and notable players drafted afterward. Tried to weigh it based on impact for Kings/Royals, overall league accomplishments, value of pick relative to position drafted and the value of those passed up. I didn't include anyone from the last five drafts (although rating Evans with the rest was kind of the point of the OP). Stokes is included, Ricky Berry is not. Neither is Bodiroga because I have a hard time including someone who never played for the team.
1) Oscar Robertson (1st round *Territorial Pick, 1960) (Jerry West, Lenny Wilkens)
2) Nate Archibald (2nd round, 19th overall 1970) (No one of interest)
3) Jerry Lucas (1st round *Territorial Pick, 1962) (John Havlicek)
4) Jack Twyman (2nd round, 10th overall, 1955) (K.C. Jones)
5) Maurice Stokes (1st round, 2nd overall, 1955) (Ken Sears, Jack Twyman, K.C. Jones)
6) Bobby Wanzer (1st round, 10th overall, 1948) (Harry Gallatin, Jack Coleman, Bill Gabor)
7) Peja Stojakovic (1st round, 14th overall, 1996) (Steve Nash, Jermaine O'Neal, Zydrunas Ilgauskas)
8) Sam Lacey (1st round, 5th overall, 1970) (Nate Archibald, John Johnson, Geoff Petrie, Calvin Murphy)
9) Kevin Martin (1st round, 26th overall, 2004) (Anderson Varejao, Chris Duhon, Trevor Ariza)
10) Scott Wedman (1st round, 6th overall, 1974) (Maurice Lucas, Truck Robinson, Phil Smith)
11) Hedo Turkoglu (1st round, 16th overall, 2000) (Michael Redd, Jamaal Magloire, Eddie House)
12) Otis Birdsong (1st round, 2nd overall, 1977) (Bernard King, Walter Davis, Marques Johnson)
13) Bob Boozer (1st round, 1st overall, 1959) (Baily Howell, Dick Barnett, Johnny Green)
14) Brian Grant (1st round, 8th overall, 1994) (Eddie Jones, Jalen Rose, Aaron Mckie)
15) Gerald Wallace (1st round, 25th overall, 2001) (Tony Parker, Gilbert Arenas, Mehmet Okur)
16) LaSalle Thompson (1st round, 5th overall, 1982) (Mark Eaton, Lafayette Lever, Eric "Sleepy" Floyd)
17) Otis Thorpe (1st round, 9th overall, 1984) (John Stockton, Kevin Willis, Michael Cage)
18) Adrian Smith (85th overall, 1958) (No one of interest)
19) Reggie King (1st round, 18th overall, 1979) (Bill Lambier, Mark Eaton, James Donaldson)
20} Corliss Williamson (1st round, 13th overall, 1995) (Michael Finley, Theo Ratliff, Greg Ostertag)
21) Lionell Simmons (1st round, 7th overall, 1990) (Tyrone Hill, Jayson Williams, Antonio Davis, Cedric Ceballos)
22) Jason Williams (1st round, 7th overall, 1998) (Dirk Nowitzki, Paul Pierce, Rashard Lewis)
23) Flynn Robinson (2nd round, 15th overall, 1965) (Bob Love)
24) Walt Williams (1st round, 7th overall, 1992) (Robert Horry, Doug Christie, Latrell Sprewell)
25) Kenny Smith (1st round, 6th overall, 1987) (Kevin Johnson, Reggie Miller, Mark Jackson)
*Some notes: More than 60 years of history; I MISSED someone. I know. It happens. This isn't scientific by any means and probably highlights my own Sac Era bias, but I think is a starting off point to bring the OP to its natural conclusion. PS. We've had some horrible drafts
Nicely done
Löwenherz
Starter
On your suggestion I looked into Phil Ford (because admittedly I hadn't heard of him before and he didn't pop up as particularly impressive during my scan of drafts) and he's a difficult one to gauge.
On the one hand, he was named Rookie of the Year and 2nd team All-NBA in his first season and averaged more than 15 points, 7 assists and 1.5 steals during each of his first three seasons in KC playing along side Birdsong.
But then you consider he was drafted 2nd overall (Ahead of Larry Bird, Reggie Theus, Maurice Cheeks, Mike Mitchell and Michael Ray Robinson), never made an All-Star game or earned any significant awards past his Rookie season and his stats took a stunning nosedive (and never recovered) once Birdsong was traded, I feel while he deserves to be on the list, would probably be pushed down somewhere between Otis Thorpe and Jason Williams.
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bajaden
Hall of Famer
That is the problem with stats. If you had seen him play you'd probably have a different opinion. But whatever, He certainly deserves to be on that list.
That's a problem through much of the list. Just because someone was one of the franchise's best picks, doesn't always mean that there was real skill and foresight involved.
Take Scott Wedman (#10) for example. Out of the next 8 players picked, 4 were nothing too special, 2 were 1-time all-stars, and 2 were repeat all-stars who were clearly a cut above. Wedman was marginal even as a 1-time all-star. So, basically, the FO had a 50-50 chance of getting an all-star that year, and they did, but not one of the better ones. I don't think of that as being a pick which displayed a remarkable amount of skill. It just happened to be a loaded draft.
Even though it was one of the best 2 years in the draft for the franchise, you could kind of question the skill vs luck in the Archibald pick, too. Yes, we got all-stars in BOTH the first and second round, something that never came close to happening in any other year. But the first round pick, while quite good, was clearly worse than the HOFer picked in the second round. Either the FO had a gift of prophecy, and knew that the best player in the entire draft would still be there in the second round, or they didn't really think that Archibald would be all that good.
In those days, with very few televised college games, no Internet (or anything even close), and team budgets that were tiny compared to now, scouting had to have been vastly weaker than it it's been in the post-MJ era. And you weren't going to make tens of millions off the perfect draft pick anyway... tickets started at a buck or two, and TV rights weren't worth much at all. So they muddled their way through it, without going to any great lengths to find the perfect player.
I think that half of our best players were probably picked by luck.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I would certainly agree with that. If one takes the time to go back and see some of the other picks over the years, most people would have never heard of them. And for good reason. When I see some of the picks Axelson made and who he missed on, it looks like he just threw a dart at the board. Once in a while he just happened to hit a good player.
On the other hand, if you look at the years Harrison was the Owner GM, he seldom missed, and I believe he picked Twyman and Stokes in the same draft.
Pre-Sac era: Big O, no contest.
Sac Era: Hedo
Hedo was a key part of a NBA finals team, and their go to guy down the stretch. He created match up problems, fed Howard better than anyone else on the team and made surprisingly clutch defensive plays. Orlando will miss him.
Which is one of the many differences between him and Peja. The Kings miss a guy like Hedo, the Magic will miss him. Nobody would miss Peja at this point, including his own team.
Sac Era: Hedo
Hedo was a key part of a NBA finals team, and their go to guy down the stretch. He created match up problems, fed Howard better than anyone else on the team and made surprisingly clutch defensive plays. Orlando will miss him.
Which is one of the many differences between him and Peja. The Kings miss a guy like Hedo, the Magic will miss him. Nobody would miss Peja at this point, including his own team.
Gary
All-Star
Come on.. EVANS? He hasn't played a single game for the Kings.. (regular season). Evans will be good most likely but let's give him a couple years before we call him the best Sacramento Kings pick.
King Baller
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OK
Of all the players that were drafted by the Kings during the Sacto era, who would you rather have RIGHT NOW? I say Tyreke Evans And thats why I think he is the best
KB
Heuge
Starter
Well, he did have a nice last game in the preseason...OK
KB
Telemachus
Starter
'89 Kings Fan
Bench
Wow Good Job. I think I would put J-Will above L-Train since he won a ring and had a longer career. I would also deduct points from the Wizard for knocking us out of the playoffs in 02/03. Lastly I would put Gerald Wallace after LaSalle Thompson and Otis Thorpe. Gerald never really did anything while he was here and they at put some 82 game seasons. Boy did we stink at drafting in the 80's.
Well, if we're only looking at the draft pick relative to the other players on the board than that list makes sense. But if the question is which player drafted by the Kings/Royals became the best NBA player, for us or some other team, than I would want to rearrange the order quite a bit. The Jason Williams pick, for example, turned out pretty brilliantly for this franchise. Considering we'd already drafted Peja, neither Paul Pierce nor Rashard Lewis would have made the same impact for that team. Jason Williams played the biggest role in defining the personality of that team. And Dirk was a pretty longshot pick at the time. There's no history of sweet-shooting German 7 footers being superstars in the league either before or since. He would have played the same position as Webber anyway. Not to mention Williams got traded for Bibby who was a huge part of the best teams Sacramento has ever had. I'd never begrudge Geoff for that pick. Jason Williams got injured and his career took a nosedive (not to mention traded to "does-anyone-watch-them-play-ever-Memphis"), but he was arguably a better player than Pierce or Lewis at his peak. And Dirk is just a freak of nature. Look up some highlights of J-Will in Memphis sometime. Dude still had it, but nobody was watching anymore.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Parts of what you said I will go for, this however...especially vis a vis Pierce who has only made All NBA 2nd or 3rd team 4 times.
hammystyle
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I'd go so far as to say drafting Williams for need was a crucial blow, because if we'd have had Pierce, Peja, and Webber in their primes with Vlade it would have hardly mattered who we got to play PG.
Instead of trading Tariq Abdul Wahad and Corliss off for Nick Anderson and Doug Christie, maybe we focus on a PG.
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