Who Do We Need at SG and PF and Why?

[Entity]

This is a thread, really more of a questionaire I want to conduct on who some other Kings Fans think we need at the SG position or the PF position or both. I really want some opinions so I and many other fans I am sure can open their minds on other players. Please do not make remarks on other poeple's opinions. Simply state your players that best suit the team and maybe a reason why or stats would help out as well. Thanks for all of the input that will be received.

I know most of you have stated in other threads your opinions but it gets tainted by remarks and then you have endless pages of arguments. All I want is opinoins and no remarks at others opinions. Again Thanks

 

[Entity]

I for one as you all know would like to see somehow Ron Artest at SG and go with some young affordable talent in Kwame Brown at PF. How it happens is irrelivant its just who i would like to see.

 

[thesanityannex]

I'd like to see Kwame Brown brought in a project and give Kevin Martin or Mo Evans a shot at starting SG.

 

[VF21]

SG - A good defender who will be able to work within the Princeton offense and NOT be afraid to pass the ball, while still able to shoot consistently and take the point on occasion.

PF - A tall guy who can hopefully play the post, pass and sneak outside once in a while to keep the defense honest while still being able to grab some boards and slap back a few shots.

 

[ParniValjak]

Ideally
SG: Artest
PF: Kevin Garnett

Realistically:
SG: Bobby Simmons / Maurice Evans
PF: Nene / Kurt Thomas

Young player I want us to get is Milicic.

 

[AriesMar27]

im thinking jaric/boozer... but im more worried about our bench.... who will be our back up 3? if we could somehow get radmonovic, that would be nice.... too bad we couldnt trade mobley back to orlando for hedo....

i kind of like the idea of starting bobby j at sg.... but we would definitely need a shot blocker at center or pf... that way we can keep house and give him minutes... if petrie could somehow trade tag/filler for jaric would be heavenly.... then trade thomas and corliss for boozer.... we would still have to look for a back up 3 regardless.... wheres matt barnes? he would be insanely cheap.... but i like the idea of radmonovic coming in for peja.... it'd be like subbing peja for peja "lite"....

 

[Mad D]

im thinking jaric/boozer...

i kind of like the idea of starting bobby j at sg.... but we would definitely need a shot blocker at center or pf ... if petrie could somehow trade tag/filler for jaric would be heavenly.... then trade thomas and corliss for boozer...

Boozer wouldn't solve our interior defense problems.

 

[AriesMar27]

Boozer wouldn't solve our interior defense problems.

i know.. but he is a good pf who seems to be attainable.... we cant get kg... so... boozer seems like he would be a good fit.... i wouldnt mind trying to get darko... that would be funny though... he would have more finals experience than anyone else on our team.... nene wouldnt help our defensive problems either but again he seems attainable....

 

[Bricklayer]

i know.. but he is a good pf who seems to be attainable.... we cant get kg... so... boozer seems like he would be a good fit.... i wouldnt mind trying to get darko... that would be funny though... he would have more finals experience than anyone else on our team.... nene wouldnt help our defensive problems either but again he seems attainable....

Nene at least has size -- there is hope there and he's a much more significant shotblocker/stealer than Boozer (although obviously still not a stud).

As for the overall question, assuming that we keep the "core" three players then the other two just have to be a) excellent defenders, with the PF being a significant shotblocker with good size and the SG being versatile enough to lockdown the opponent's hottest PG/SG/SF; b) very athletic to counter the incredible lack of it in our core players; c) one (most likely the SG) at least has to be a strong passer to take pressure off of the Bibby/Miller duo; d) the PF has to be able to really postup, because without him we have nothing inside.

At OG Larry Hughes would demand a lot of shots, but he deserves them as much as any of our other guys (indeed outscored all of them) and would be ideal with his versatility and defense. Unfortunately I see no way or reason that Washington lets him go. Jaric is an obvious much lower level choice, who can pass like a point (indeed is one) but has the size of an OG along with big steal numbers. But he always gets hurt, can't shoot, doesn't rebound, and its not clear whether he actually shuts people down on defense or just gambles for steals. Still, there are some similarities to Doug there.

At PF you have a real quandry because our system demands skill from that position, but skill players at PF/C tend to be finesse weanies rather than the physical stud we need in there. Part of the Nene idea is that maybe he is one of those guys who can straddle that gap and do both. But barring such a revolutionary Webbesque player popping up, we have to make a choice. We really NEED boardwork and shotblocking there, to such a degree that the Gadzurics and Chandlers of the world deserve seriosu consideration. But we've never done that, Never intentionally gone for players who pride themselves in things other than offense first. This really will be a key offseason in Geoff proving that he can see the team and the game in a different light as circumstances change. That he can see and understand the need for defense even if he prefers offensive oriented players.

 

[jeffjcalweb]

since we are playing make believe, for SG i'd want:

Joe Johnson - stud on offense, defense, can play backup PG, can cover SF. good outside shooter, athletic, young and doesn't need to be the #1 option on offense.

reality: uhhh...another veteran towards then end of his career, nothing special.

 

[LPKingsFan]

Ideal: Hughes at SG and Swift at PF

Realistic: Jaric and Oberto/Nene

 

[AriesMar27]

having jaric would definitely give bibby a rest an bobby tons of minutes.... he's just a big *** point guard which would give bibby and bobby the chance to get some open shots and not have to work so hard on running the offense and play some defense(yeah i know the though of bibby playing d is funny)....

pf is the position that we need to pay the most attention to out of all of the starting positions....are we going to go for a offense like the one we had with webber and divac... or go for a more point guard driven offense.... with jaric that would be a lot easier than looking for a pf with the passing abilities that webber and divac had...

 

[jon e]

SG: Michael Redd PF: Move Brad Miller to the 4 and get a defensive center

 

[Alacron]

I have no problem letting Evans start at SG. Any guard that can pull down 14 rebounds in a game is fine by me. Plus he gives toughness and size that is hard to find in most guards. His defense is as good as any young player's, and isn't rebounding, toughness, and defense what we want to improve on?
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[thesanityannex]

I think we already have a SG with Mo Evans. Like Alacron said, he gives some toughness up front and can rebound more than most starting SG's if given starter time. I don't even want to pick a PF, I'll just let Petrie surprise me.

 

[OptimusRhyme]

Rather then a PF I think we need a center so we can slide Brad over to PF, someone like Pryzbilla or Gadzuric, maybe even draft someone like Johan Petro, We just need someone out there to alter shots and do the dirty work.
As for SG, Maurice is my option right now with Martin backing him up, but Julius Hodge looks really intriguing from what I saw from him this year, he's a 6'6 swingman that can play both guard spots and small forward, If we could draft him which I am sure he will be available around our pick we could make a deadly combination of a swingman
rotation something along the lines of this possibly.

C-Gadzuric/Pryz/Petro/Skinner
PF-Miller/Thomas
SF-Peja/Hodge
SG-Evans/Martin
PG-Bibby/Jackson/House

Hodge, Martin & Evans all sharing the SG & backup SF minutes would be a real nice complement in our backcourt.

 

[KingKong]

pipe dreams

Elton Brand- rebounding monster
Corey Maggette- stud athlete

PG Mike Bibby
SG Corey Maggette
SF Kenny Thomas
PF Elton Brand
C Brad Miller

 

[AriesMar27]

pipe dreams

Elton Brand- rebounding monster
Corey Maggette- stud athlete

PG Mike Bibby
SG Corey Maggette
SF Kenny Thomas
PF Elton Brand
C Brad Miller

maggette is nice and so is brand.... but we would get burned having thomas as our sf.... wouldnt we have needed him to trade for brand anyways? unless we have no bench whatsoever.....peja, skinner and corliss arent enough to get brand and maggette.... or are they?

 

[KingKong]

I saw a "who" and "why" in the question, not a "how". Realistically, we probably couldn't get either of them without giving up atleast 2 of our Big three. However, if Petrie could somehow get those two without having to give up too much, we could be a championship team.


Sacramento Trade Breakdown


Outgoing

Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
15.6 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 3.9 apg in 37.3 minutes

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Incoming

Elton Brand
6-8 PF from Duke
20.0 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2.6 apg in 37.0 minutes

Corey Maggette
6-6 SG from Duke
22.2 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 3.4 apg in 36.9 minutes

Change in team outlook: +4.5 ppg, -4.0 rpg, and -0.4 apg.



L.A. Clippers Trade Breakdown

Outgoing

Elton Brand
6-8 PF from Duke
20.0 ppg, 9.5 rpg, 2.6 apg in 37.0 minutes

Corey Maggette
6-6 SG from Duke
22.2 ppg, 6.0 rpg, 3.4 apg in 36.9 minutes



Incoming

Brad Miller
7-0 C from Purdue
15.6 ppg, 9.3 rpg, 3.9 apg in 37.3 minutes

Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
11.3 ppg, 6.5 rpg, 1.6 apg in 28.6 minutes

Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.8 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 22.0 minutes

Change in team outlook: -4.5 ppg, +4.0 rpg, and +0.4 apg.


Successful Scenario
Due to Sacramento and L.A. Clippers being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento and L.A. Clippers had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


Sacramento Starters


PG Mike Bibby
SG Corey Maggette
SF Peja Stojakovic
PF Elton Brand
C OTag


Clippers Starters


PG Jaric/ Livingston
SG Kittles
SF Simmons/ Williamson
PF Kaman/ KT
C Brad Miller

 

[Bricklayer]

So do you REALLY think the Clippers would trade us both their star player for Brad Miller and spare bad contract change? If so, let's dial them up!

 

[Alacron]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Peja and Skinner for Brand. Consider including Martin if needed to get the deal done, the salaries still work.

Incidentally, that'll mark the second time Brand and Skinner have been swapped for each other, so the universe remains in harmony as well, the circle is complete, etc.
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[KingKong]

How about if we throw in Daniels?

I was thinking more like 2 star roleplayers = 1 star

Brad = Brand
KT + Corliss = Maggette

 

[Alacron]

How about if we throw in Daniels?

I was thinking more like 2 star roleplayers = 1 star

Brad = Brand
KT + Corliss = Maggette

We don't have Daniels anymore.

Normally, any GM who would trade Brand for Brad would soon find himself surrounded by an angry mob of pitchfork- and torch-bearing fans... but then, these are the Clippers we're talking about so would anyone even care? Hmmm.

But honestly I would like to keep Brad to be the high post big man while Brand does the dirty work under the hoop. Nice combo that's deadly from outside or inside.
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[Bricklayer]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Peja and Skinner for Brand. Consider including Martin if needed to get the deal done, the salaries still work.

Salaries would work, but the trade makes no sense for the Clippers again. Their big quandry this offseason is which SF to keep -- Simmons or Maggette, and then how to move or replace the other one with a guy who better compliments the remaining player. Having Maggette, Simmons, AND Peja would obviously be pointless -- they all play the same position and there are not enough minutes. Let alone at the expense of their best post player, interior defender, and team leader.

 

[G_M]

Their big quandry this offseason is which SF to keep -- Simmons or Maggette, and then how to move or replace the other one with a guy who better compliments the remaining player.

Not to derail the topic but I thought Simmons was playing SG and Maggette was playing SF? I know initially they thought Kittles would be the starting SG but after his injury they seemed pretty happy with Simmons playing SG. I think their only realy need is a PG and some bench depth.

 

[BibityBobtyBoom]

um... why are we talking about the clippers, of course we would love to have brand and maggette, but we would also like to have kg and duncan, but thats not going to happen. so can we change the subject? because i had myself excited when i thought about brand in sacramento until i seen how many years he had left on his contract to the clippers.

 

[limadigo]

SG- marco jaric

PF- Nene

 

[thesanityannex]

is jaric a fa?

 

[AleksandarN]

is jaric a fa?

Yes he is a RFA.

 

[Bricklayer]

Not to derail the topic but I thought Simmons was playing SG and Maggette was playing SF? I know initially they thought Kittles would be the starting SG but after his injury they seemed pretty happy with Simmons playing SG. I think their only realy need is a PG and some bench depth.

That's what they did last year (actually I have always contened that Maggette is and always will be an OG), but rumors have been swirling since midseason that they thought the two players were duplicative and maybe wanted to move Maggette. Logically on that team what they would want back is a shooter, since they have absolutely none.