What Will You Do If the Kings Trade Boogie?
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It beats not being in the playoffs and being out of the race the first game of the season
We have a place for discussion of the NFL. This isn't it.
KingsCitizen
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My option is not on the list.
But what I'll do is to take a Haitus and never watch NBA until some teams gain back my interest on this league.
In short, I would live the life of a non-NBA fan, go fishing, do some other stuffs, wash the dishes, feed the hens, play tag with a kangaroo, go for bungee jumping, fight with my neighbors over little things, make another baby with my wife, be a great dad to my kids, go to graduate school, and ...... oh shoot! I would actually enjoy my life better if Boogie gets moved. It seems that all this time, these miseries in my life are all linked to being a Sacramento Kings fan. Damn you basketball gods! How did I not know this?
But what I'll do is to take a Haitus and never watch NBA until some teams gain back my interest on this league.
In short, I would live the life of a non-NBA fan, go fishing, do some other stuffs, wash the dishes, feed the hens, play tag with a kangaroo, go for bungee jumping, fight with my neighbors over little things, make another baby with my wife, be a great dad to my kids, go to graduate school, and ...... oh shoot! I would actually enjoy my life better if Boogie gets moved. It seems that all this time, these miseries in my life are all linked to being a Sacramento Kings fan. Damn you basketball gods! How did I not know this?
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KingMilz
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Keep following the team no matter what there is always hope the reality is we have not won anything with or without Cuz but I will watch Cousins for whoever he plays for probably as my 2nd/3rd team
I rather lose with the Kings than win with a different team
I rather lose with the Kings than win with a different team
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QoooooQ
G-League
Regardless of what we get back, I would ask everyone to join me and give a big Silicon Valley welcome to what we got back. At the count of three, let's all yell "what we got back rocks!". Ok? One, two, three, WHAT WE GOT BACK ROCKS!
See, that wasn't so hard, was it? Don't forget to sign up for Golden 1 season tickets on your way out.
See, that wasn't so hard, was it? Don't forget to sign up for Golden 1 season tickets on your way out.
jcwkings
All-Star
Stay, mainly because Vlade gives me hope, I like his style. Coach Karl is the best coach we have had since Adelman. The curiosity of how a Kings team will look like with Cousins complety out of the picture. I hope he and Karl work it out and he stays though.
If the Weasel was still here, I would be gone. Vivek worries me but latley he has been saying the right thing by deffering to Vlade.
If the Weasel was still here, I would be gone. Vivek worries me but latley he has been saying the right thing by deffering to Vlade.
Will continue following Kings, probably less closely. I already lost a lot of interest ever since Tyreke was traded. Will watch whatever team Cuz is on just like I watch the Pels now. I'm in the camp that isn't completely sold on Cousins being some HOF player. I think hes extremely talented but I don't see the work ethic that the true greats have. Still waiting to actually win more than 30 games, circumstances be damned. Don't get me wrong, my contempt for the FO is even stronger.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
People have absolutely no idea.
Copy/pasting this from elsehwere:
Age 24, per 100 possessions*
SO'Neal 36.3pts (.556TS%) 17.4reb 4.3ast 1.2stl 4.0blk 4.0TO -- PER: 27.1
Cousins 35.5pts (.545TS%) 18.7reb 5.3ast 2.3stl 2.6blk 6.4TO -- PER: 25.2 <-- our guy
Robinson 32.4pts (.597TS%) 16.0reb 2.7ast 2.2stl 5.2blk 4.2TO -- PER: 26.3
McAdoo 32.4pts (.542TS%) 12.9reb 4.2ast 1.2stl 2.1blk --TO -- PER: 23.3
YaoMing 32.4pts (.614TS%) 14.8reb 1.3ast 0.8stl 3.5blk 4.3TO -- PER: 23.2
MMalone 32.0pts (.560TS%) 18.0reb 2.2ast 1.2stl 1.6blk 4.5TO -- PER: 24.1
Duncan 30.7pts (.536TS%) 16.8reb 4.1ast 1.2stl 3.2blk 4.1TO -- PER: 23.8
Olajuwon 30.6pts (.554TS%) 14.9reb 3.8ast 2.4stl 4.4blk 4.0TO -- PER: 23.8
PEwing 29.9pts (.549TS%) 12.3reb 2.3ast 2.0stl 3.2blk 5.1TO -- PER: 18.9
Mourning 29.4pts (.593TS%) 13.6reb 2.0ast 0.9stl 4.0blk 4.3TO -- PER: 20.1
Howard 27.6pts (.630TS%) 19.8reb 2.6ast 1.4stl 4.2blk 5.0TO -- PER: 24.0
Sampson 27.5pts (.531TS%) 13.0reb 3.4ast 1.2stl 2.6blk 5.0TO -- PER: 17.4
BLanier 26.9pts (.548TS%) 15.9reb 5.1ast 1.6stl 3.7blk --TO -- PER: 23.9 (Age: 25)
Daughrty 24.2pts (.543TS%) 13.1reb 4.6ast 1.0stl 0.8blk 3.9TO -- PER: 16.0
Walton 23.7pts (.563TS%) 18.3reb 4.8ast 1.3stl 4.1blk --TO -- PER: 22.9
Parish 23.6pts (.499TS%) 15.6reb 2.2ast 1.8stl 2.8blk 4.6TO -- PER: 17.2
Mutombo 21.1pts (.540TS%) 16.5reb 2.8ast 0.8stl 3.8blk 4.5TO -- PER: 16.5 (Age: 25)
Gilmore 20.8pts (.531TS%) 20.4reb 4.4ast 0.8stl 3.8blk 4.2TO -- PER: 20.7
Cowens 19.8pts (.476TS%) 16.4reb 4.6ast 1.2stl 1.3blk --TO -- PER: 16.6 (Age: 25)
*also Cowens and Lanier (who turned 25 in 1973-74, first year per100 stats available) and rookie Mutumbo (who entered the league at 25).
That BTW is a list composed of every HOF center and near HOF center of the past 45 years.
Its perhaps important to underline again just how much not getting it can cost here. This is an all time great who's productivity stands out even amongst other all time greats. Barring injury he should be approaching 20,000pts and 10,000rebs by the time he hits 30 years old, which is a plateau only 17 other players have reached, all 17 of whom are or will soon be (Duncan, Dirk, Garnett, Shaq) in the HOF.
Padrino
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every time you post these stats, or any similar set of stats, a little piece of me dies inside over just how massively the kings have blown it since drafting demarcus cousins. i will continue to say with as much absolutism as i can muster that anyone who looks at the operation of this franchise across the last five years and determines that demarcus is the problem are complete and utter fools, and not in the modern, colloquial sense of the word, but in the much more tragic, shakespearean sense of the word...
i'm amazed at how often fans attempt to explain away the historic nature of demarcus cousins' performance at his age. anthony davis plays for a relentlessly mediocre new orleans pelicans franchise, and because he fits into the mold of what a "modern" big man should be in the eyes of many, he's met with rapturous applause every step of the way. demarcus cousins plays for a relentlessly incompetent sacramento kings franchise, and because he doesn't fit into the mold of what a "modern" big man should be in the eyes of many, he's met with skepticism every step of the way...
and you know, i get it; the league is trending smaller, and those who watch sports are hilariously prone to the bandwagon effect. personally, i have no idea what basketball fans find so compelling about teams running a half-dozen pick and rolls every offensive sequence. it's tremendously bland and homogeneous basketball, in my opinion. that's not to say that a low-post heavy, grind-it-out offense is somehow superior, but i'd hardly call the "pace and space" era any kind of progressive, utopian, egalitarian evolution of the game. it's just one way of playing the game efficiently. there are other ways. christ, even gregg popovich hates the nba's current obsession with three-point shooting and pick-and-roll basketball:
Gregg Popovich said:
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2015/story/_/id/12993098/nba-35-year-war-3-pointer
i mean, does anybody honestly believe that the league would continue trending small if there were big man prospects of demarcus' caliber coming into the nba every other year? no, everybody would be right back to scooping up any big man they could get their hands on in an effort to compete with teams who are able to consistently dominate down low, rule changes be damned. and maybe we'd even see more of those cuts that pop's talking about, because quality post play opens up the court for all kinds of off-ball movement. just because the majority of the top draft prospects across the last decade have been guards doesn't mean that you can't or shouldn't build around a superstar center when you find one. it gives you an edge that almost every other team in the contemporary nba lacks. that the kings have f***ed this up so royally is simply not a fault of demarcus cousins, whom the kings have been unable to win a game without since he was drafted...
kupman
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people have an idea. Those stats are very impressive indeed. However, of those names does anyone have a lower win% than DMC? That matters. Also, of those names does anyone have the same track record of not getting along with leadership? where does DMC fall on that list in terms of leadership skills?
it is only logical that people ask such question?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I don't know, did any of those guys walk into the amateurish cluster**** Boogie did to begin his career?
gunks
Hall of Famer
Did you get "Jerkass" from the Simpsons?! lol Love the old episodes.. "OUT OF MY WAY JERKASS!"
Probably, though it was sub conscious.
I watched The Simpsons religiously as a kid! The new episodes suck, but seasons 2-10 will forever be genius.
Children these days don't even know! With their Family Dude, and America Guy! Feh
Chubbs
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I think you'd be hard pressed to find a player that has ever walked into a worse situation than Demarcus Cousins.
There's already a 30 for 30 made on the relocation mess.
You could easily make a part II about the Vivek era, which has been as dysfunctional if not more so.
And that was really hard to do.
Not too many all nba guys went through 3 coaches last year.
There's already a 30 for 30 made on the relocation mess.
You could easily make a part II about the Vivek era, which has been as dysfunctional if not more so.
And that was really hard to do.
Not too many all nba guys went through 3 coaches last year.
spok22s
G-League
well said.
gman23
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So you're telling me and all of the Golden State Warriors fans (40 years dry spell sinse last championship) that we should give up. We haven't been in the playoff since 2006 so KINGS FANS should just say **** it. You think about that.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
Yep this is me. Except not maybe follow Boogie, i WILL follow Boogie (unless it's to LA)
i love the NBA, i can't cut it out of my life. So i will be forced to take my long time fan loyalty to a new team if it happens. The way all of this has gone down since the November is just too much
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
I will force myself to love hockey. Ack!
Kidding aside, i will still follow and support the Kings. I am not even from here.Now, if someone can send me a Kings hat in return for my undying loyalty for almost 15 years. lol
as a Canadian, I take offense to that!
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
If the Warriors traded Stephen Curry a few years back that dry spell would still be very much intact.
kupman
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Maybe he is part of the amateurish cluster. It is at least a possibility.
Well, see, here's the thing about all of that... I readily acknowledge that DeMarcus Cousins is a generational player. I openly recognize that he is a Hall of Fame talent. And I love the way that he plays... but I don't actually like him. My ideal world would involve the Kings having a guy with his talent, who was a much more likeable player. I mean, it's not like I have @sloter or @twocents for-Webber-level hatred for him, but rooting for the Kings over a significant portion of the last three seasons has definitely been a "Lie back and think of England" experience for me.
I mean, don't get it ****ed up: for Cousins' entire career in the NBA, every time battle lines have been drawn, and it's come down to 'Cousins versus X', I've been pro-Cousins, even against players I actually like way more than Cousins. Quite frankly, in this current alleged 'Cousins versus George Karl' situation, I still go with Cousins. If we do end up trading Cousins, and we get back less than two All-Stars, both under the age of twenty-five, I'm going to be super p***ed. But, as I have no particular affinity for Cousins the player, if, for the sake of argument, we do get a Godfather offer for him, well... I wouldn't hate that, at all.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
All fine and dandy, except:
1) in the real world there basically are no godfather offers for young guys who could be MVP candidates/Top 50 all time candidates. There are just pipe dreams. Someday, someone somewhere may actually somehow pull one off. I wouldn't hold my breath.
2) even if one was magically pulled off the chances are high you'd just be swapping one bastard for another bastard. Most great players are in one way or another. MJ was a complete prick. Mean, corrupt, spiteful. He was a bastard. Kareem was an aloof bastard, and he's never stopped paying for it. Wilt was a selfish prima donna of the highest order. magic got AIDS screwing every prostitute in the continental U.S. while married, and has been revealed as a blithering idiot post career. Not sure if Bird was a bastard to teammates, or just opponents. Bill Russel was an unlikable bastard off court. Shaq was a lazy prima donna. Hakeem spent the first half of his career being a borderline cancer. Karl Malone was tough, mean, and if I recall correctly in his younger years fathered a child with a 14yr old girl. Kobe was an arrogant prick. Barkley an undisciplined prick. A.I. an even more undiscuplined prick. KG a notrious butthead. The list is endless. The last one of these guys we had was a pot smoking egotist who forced his way off his first team, almost didn't get on the plane to Sacto, took money in college costing his team all their wins while he was there, and was alsot a cowardly lion in clutch situations until the very end of his tenure. San Antonio had maybe the gem in Admiral, and then Duncan. I know no harm in Dirk. But its a rare thing. We'll probably find out Curry skins cats in his spare time now that the spotlight is on him.
3) they come along so rarely for a small market franchise its complete insanity to ever lose one. There have been 2 in 30 years for the Kings, and this one is even better than the last. Milwaulkee hasn't had a guy at this level in the 40 years since Kareem left. Toronto has never had one in their entire franchise history. Its so incredibly rare you can can't blow it, and you take it in whatever form it comes and ask for another. Or you jsut accept that you are second rate and always will be.
Have you ever heard the saying, "He may be an @$$hole, but he's my @$$hole"? Basically, what this boils down to is, I don't consider Cousins to be 'my' @$$hole.
I stipulate all of that, which is why I didn't take a pro-trade stance. If you thought that that was what I was saying, then you missed the point. I'm not going to post an exultant, @sloter-esque "Divac is a god! He did the IMPOSSIBLE!"-type post, if Cousins gets traded. I'm not going to be HAPPY if he gets traded; in fact, like I said before, if we trade Cousins, and don't get back multiple proven young players, I'm going to be mad.
I'll be perfectly honest: I don't know that I believe that any kind of miracle deal exists and, unlike a lot of Kings Fans, I don't have any particular faith in Vlade Divac to make the perfect deal, any way. I'm just saying that, great as I acknowledge that DeMarcus Cousins is, my allegiance to the Kings is not tied to him. Nor Karl, nor Divac, nor Ranadive, nor anybody else. It's not even tied to the city of Sacramento. I'm here, and I'm going to be here, and that's all there is to it.
It's unprecedented, but that's why it goes both ways. He could be a HOF guy them it's all said and done, or he could just be a very talented stat Padder on a bad team. The facts are: Cousins is a very good player, evidenced by his stats and the eye test, and Cousins hasn't won many games. Those are the facts, and you can interpret any way you like but it's already going to be subjective. So to me that means he hasn't quite crossed into OMG THE SAVIOR OF THE FRANCHISE WORSHIP HIM status just yet.
The last line is where I disagree with you (Sort of... I agree you can't blow it, but the way things have happened the last few years is a template to it getting blown without eliminating hope for the franchise forever). Being second rate now does not mean that you will be second rate forever. If you think Boogie is a generational talent (I agree with this), and you agree that it would take a monumental collection of mistakes to screw up having that type of luck dropped on you (I agree with this), there's still room to forgive the franchise for the way they've gotten to this point if you put on your rose colored glasses (which is what it would take for me as well as some time and space)
Admittedly, you have to squint hard (that tends to be what fans do for their teams), but Boogie was drafted by an ownership group that was trying to "Major League" the franchise (see lose on purpose to sell). He was surrounded by weak talent, under a procession of the cheapest option at coach, and watched any semblance of progress be traded away or let walk while there was talk of the franchise moving.
- None of the above is the current management teams' fault
From there, the team was purchased by a guy with limited experience in the league, who made some bad choices initially. The biggest bad choice being the choice at GM. That GM has spent two off seasons doing nothing to progress the team (perhaps cleaning up the previous groups "major league" perhaps just being incompetent in his own right (the latter is my opinion). When they finally started to make progress, the GM in question fires the coach who he doesn't see eye to eye with to set up his own guy (fearing if the team progresses too much he'll never get his guy and he'll lose pull long term), which then backfires and he is forced to hire George Karl
- the last paragraph can be blamed on a new and overwhelmed owner (it happens - see Mark Cuban's first couple of years as an owner)
If all of the above has sufficiently poisoned the well with a super talented and very emotional player, it doesn't necessarily mean that the Kings will always be second rate under Vivek's ownership. (It doesn't mean you don't walk over fire to keep Boogie now either) If Boogie has decided at this point that he no longer can deal with the ups and downs of this franchise and needs to be out, it will be crushing to me as a fan. It won't, however, lead me to believe that this franchise will never get it, or never challenge for a title. It will go down as one of the darker chapters for the franchise, and everything you say about the sheer monumental stupidity of it all will be true, but it shouldn't cement permanent second rate-ness. If you wind up leaving your team every time it screws up hugely you're pretty much limited to rooting for the Spurs... and that just seems dull. (Full disclosure my love of Reke does have me watching NO as much as the Kings the last few years, but my heart sticks with the Kings)
kupman
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The difference is DMC seems to be a good guy away from the court. a genuine, good hearted soul. However, within the team there seems to be so much division. It has been DMC vs. person x for years. I really do not know how much he is a victim and how much a perpetrator. What I do know is that HOFers have a way of bringing teams together despite their character flaws. This is the area of greatest concern for me.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
It beats not being in the playoffs and being out of the race the first game of the season
I guess you're content with just getting to the playoffs and not doing anything once there. To each his own.
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