What will Garcia bring?

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Well the All-Star break is here we have 1 more win than we did all year last year. Our rookie pg is poised to get rookie of the year our former best player is a tad inconsistent and bringing about questions if he and the rook can play together. Our bigs still have the same question marks they did at the end of last season and depth is the frontcourt has no talent. Now the SF/backup SG position is deep and talented and about to get more deep with Garcia bringing his leadership, defense, handling skills, and deep threat to this team what can we expect his role to be? Will he be the starting SF as was planned before the season with his pg skills along side Tyreke and Martin after all it was a good plan until the injury's. Now we have a guy named Omri and a guy named Donte both of which have shown they can start and play at a high level then you have Noc who can start and is a good scrappy backup with range and hustle. So where does Garcia fit in now with this current makeup?

The obvious thing that needs to happen is somebody has to be moved. with or SG/SF positions consisting of 7 players if you include Beno in that mix and all deserving of playing time. Some time has been given to Donte at the PF postion and it has been successful as long as we play against teams without great size in the frontcourt. That still leaves you with 6 players. Beno get some pg min so his sg min will be at a minimum if at all. Sergio is the odd man out he is 3rd pg behind rookie of the year and a resurgent Beno. Udoka brings good defense but has stars and stars in the making in front of him so I think is another odd man out.
Leaving us with Martin, Casspi, Noc, Garcia to play the wings.

Petrie has a decision to make. Somebody HAS to go or the looker room might not be a friendly place to be. In fact It wouldn't hurt to trade the 2 odd guys out Udoka/Sergio or someone in front of them Beno.
 
If nobody is moved he won't bring much of anything, and anything he does bring will be at the expense of other guys, same as Martin.

If things get cleared up I continue to insist that he is the closest thing to a natural fit at SG next to Reke that we have on this roster.
 
Bricklayer said:
If nobody is moved he won't bring much of anything, and anything he does bring will be at the expense of other guys, same as Martin.

If things get cleared up I continue to insist that he is the closest thing to a natural fit at SG next to Reke that we have on this roster.
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I agree.
 
Entity said:
I agree.
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As do I...Cisco's ballhandling, defense and leadership are exactly what we need at that spot. Something or someone has to give...Geoff! We can still
have a very exciting team the last 30 games, but obvious things need to be handled for that to happen.
 
Circa_1985_Fan said:
Co-captains for sure! Noc and Martin need to go, along with Beno probably...but that's alot easier said than done, of course.
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I am not sure about letting all 3 go. now they do need to go but we don't want to completley destroy our depth at the wing postion at one time. Udoka is ok but, I'd rather it be someone a little more talented. don't want our lineup to look like this

Evans/Rodriguez
Garcia/Udoka
Casspi/Greene

I'd like 1 more player in there perferably ahead of Udoka. I guess we would get somebody back in the trades.
 
Entity said:
I am not sure about letting all 3 go. now they do need to go but we don't want to completley destroy our depth at the wing postion at one time. Udoka is ok but, I'd rather it be someone a little more talented. don't want our lineup to look like this

Evans/Rodriguez
Garcia/Udoka
Casspi/Greene

I'd like 1 more player in there perferably ahead of Udoka. I guess we would get somebody back in the trades.
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Oh, indeed...out of those three, I'd probably keep Beno.
 
Agree with Brick. Garcia is a great potential fit with this team. And he needs to play to reestablish his value - both to us and to potential trade partners. His injury was bad enough to raise legitimate question about his ability to regain his previous capabilities.

As some have previously pointed out, players like Udoka, Rodriguez, May don't cost us much and don't have much trade value. So as trade bait we have to think, among wing players, of Martin, Greene, Noc unless we touch our rookies.

Tough decisions. And GP won't have the luxury of being in charge of a deal, he has to find a willing partner and a desireable return player. Pray to the trade gods.
 
A strange shift has come about my opinion on trades. I now favor keeping Greene over Martin. As versatile as Greene is he MUST be kept. Hes basically a knockoff version of Kevin Durant. In my opinion Omri and Greene get priority on this team when it comes to wing players. Do not trade them.
I would be alot more interested in what Garcia brings to the team if it werent for the Kings already having 16 wing players.
 
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Yeah, I would love that...I love his heart and desire and his leadership. Hopefully we'll hear very soon when his first game back will be.
 
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What will Garcia bring?

IMO, Garcia was nothing more than a mediocre-at-best player who played for a very talent-starved, leaderless, non-defending team. I think this is why we tended to over-rate Cisco's ballhandling, defense, and leadership qualities. We seldom see those qualities on this team for several years now, this is why we thought he has it and he can be a difference-maker.

Just like Martin ( who several of us also thought was a very good player worth being called a star ) we will now see that Garcia is nothing more than an over-rated player who won't make any big difference. I think he is just another player who really tries his best, but sad to say won't ever get it. This player has been known to do bonehead plays eversince and I don't see any reason how he can turn from being dumb to being smart.

BTW, goodluck to the rest of our young players who's minutes will farther be reduced.
 
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pshn80 said:
Agree with Brick. Garcia is a great potential fit with this team. And he needs to play to reestablish his value - both to us and to potential trade partners. His injury was bad enough to raise legitimate question about his ability to regain his previous capabilities.

As some have previously pointed out, players like Udoka, Rodriguez, May don't cost us much and don't have much trade value. So as trade bait we have to think, among wing players, of Martin, Greene, Noc unless we touch our rookies.

Tough decisions. And GP won't have the luxury of being in charge of a deal, he has to find a willing partner and a desireable return player. Pray to the trade gods.
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My only nit pic is your opinion on the trade value of Udoka, Rodriguez and May. All three are expiring contracts that could be added in a trade to balance the finanical part of the trade. So they could have value to a team trying to cut salary for the coming offseason.
 
Prince_XY said:
What will Garcia bring?

IMO, Garcia was nothing more than a mediocre-at-best player who played for a very talent-starved, leaderless, non-defending team. I think this is why we tended to over-rate Cisco's ballhandling, defense, and leadership qualities. We seldom see those qualities on this team for several years now, this is why we thought he has it and he can be a difference-maker.

Just like Martin ( who several of us also thought was a very good player worth being called a star ) we will now see that Garcia is nothing more than an over-rated player who won't make any big difference. I think he is just another player who really tries his best, but sad to say won't ever get it. This player has been known to do bonehead plays eversince and I don't see any reason how he can turn from being dumb to being smart.

BTW, goodluck to the rest of our young players who's minutes will farther be reduced.
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Gotta disagree with you on this one mi amigo. Cisco has improved greatly since he first donned a Kings uniform. No, he's not Kobe, but he's a very good complimentry player that does a lot of the little things. For me its a matter of whether he can return to his former self. If so, then I agree with Bricky that he's a better fit next to Evans than Martin is.

Players get labeled when they come into the league, and for some reason some people never get past that label. How many times have you watched a game and heard the announcer describe a players game and end it by saying, he's not a very good outside shooter. You then sit and watch that player light up your team from the outside. Most players improve. Unfortunately, some announcers or writers are intellectually lazy and don't bother to do a little research. They just go with the label.

Cisco was labeled as a player with a very inconsistent shot and someone that played out of control. His shot has become more and more consistent, and while he will on some occasions, still make a bonehead play, he plays much more under control than when he came into the league
 
bajaden said:
Gotta disagree with you on this one mi amigo. Cisco has improved greatly since he first donned a Kings uniform. No, he's not Kobe, but he's a very good complimentry player that does a lot of the little things. For me its a matter of whether he can return to his former self. If so, then I agree with Bricky that he's a better fit next to Evans than Martin is.

Players get labeled when they come into the league, and for some reason some people never get past that label. How many times have you watched a game and heard the announcer describe a players game and end it by saying, he's not a very good outside shooter. You then sit and watch that player light up your team from the outside. Most players improve. Unfortunately, some announcers or writers are intellectually lazy and don't bother to do a little research. They just go with the label.

Cisco was labeled as a player with a very inconsistent shot and someone that played out of control. His shot has become more and more consistent, and while he will on some occasions, still make a bonehead play, he plays much more under control than when he came into the league
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I agree with you for the most part. Cisco is much more consistent than he was when he first arrived on the scene. We will have to wait and see if he can regain his previous form. My guess is we won't see the same Cisco until next season. If he does regian his touch, he will be a good fit next to Tyreke.

But, is that better in the longterm than letting Omri and Donte get minutes and develop? Just like Kevin, I don't think Cisco is a good longterm fit for this team. I don't want anyone who is 28 or 29 years old taking minutes from Omri and Donte. Unless we make a move, the addition of Cisco to this roster actually hurts us. For Cisco to help, Kevin, Noc, and Ime must go. Otherwise, Cisco hurts the development of our young wings just like Kevin has. Maybe not the the same extent, but the problem will still be there.

So yes, I think Cisco would be a better fit next to Tyreke than Kevin. But I am not at all convinced that looking a few years down the road plugging Cisco into the lineup will help our development as a team. If Cisco was 25 year old, I might feel differently. But by the time this young core is ready to be a consistent playoff level team, Cisco will be past his prime, just like Kevin.
 
I tend to gush over Cisco - so their is your warning =]

I love his game. If he was on a contender, your looking at a SMOTY candidate every year. Energy, defense, Scoring, Veratility... Cisco can bring a lot to this team.

I would like to keep him around, but Im not Petrie. My ideal situation is trade Kmart and Noch for a good big and rotate Evans, Casspi, Garcia, Greene, and Udrih in at the 1+2+3. Thats a solid to very good group of players for the present and future. Plenty of scoring, plenty of good shooters, and a surprising good defensive group. I would say all of these guys are average to above average defenders ( aside from Udrih ). And they all seem to get "it". I would be one happy Kings Fan.

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Back to cisco specifically for a second. I dont expect him to be good right now. I really dont. That injury he had was major, and it was on his shooting hand. I fully expect his shot, handle, and passing to be off for a while. Maybe the rest of the year. Its hard to really come back from something like that, especially when your rushing back ( I can bet Cisco is ). Plus he hasnt really been able to practice with the team. Its going to be rough. Have patience.
 
Trade Nocioni and slowly ease Garcia in via Udoka's minutes.
But next year Garcia will be vastly overpaid if he can only get 10-15 min behind Martin, as he should not be taking time at the 3 from a healthy Casspi/Greene duo.

My hope is Garcia shows just enough (shotblocking and defense, the shooting will come eventually) at the end of the year to make him or Martin expendable.
 
rainmaker said:
I agree with you for the most part. Cisco is much more consistent than he was when he first arrived on the scene. We will have to wait and see if he can regain his previous form. My guess is we won't see the same Cisco until next season. If he does regian his touch, he will be a good fit next to Tyreke.

But, is that better in the longterm than letting Omri and Donte get minutes and develop? Just like Kevin, I don't think Cisco is a good longterm fit for this team. I don't want anyone who is 28 or 29 years old taking minutes from Omri and Donte. Unless we make a move, the addition of Cisco to this roster actually hurts us. For Cisco to help, Kevin, Noc, and Ime must go. Otherwise, Cisco hurts the development of our young wings just like Kevin has. Maybe not the the same extent, but the problem will still be there.

So yes, I think Cisco would be a better fit next to Tyreke than Kevin. But I am not at all convinced that looking a few years down the road plugging Cisco into the lineup will help our development as a team. If Cisco was 25 year old, I might feel differently. But by the time this young core is ready to be a consistent playoff level team, Cisco will be past his prime, just like Kevin.
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First off, I don't see Cisco as the long term starter at the SG position. But to be honest, I don't see either Donte or Omri as the long team starters at SG either. I see one of them as the starting SF and the other his backup. And let the best man win. Yes, I know both on occasion can play the SG spot, and thats a nice added element, but I believe they're both SF's and its in their best interest to play to their strengths. So if you can accept that premise, then Cisco isn't taking any minutes away from either of them. However Nocioni and Udoka are. Udoka isn't a problem since his contract ends this season. Nocioni is the one that needs to be moved.

But back to the SG position. If I don't see Cisco as the long team answer, then who is? Well, I don't think he's on the team yet. In a perfect world it would be Evan Turner or Wesley Johnson. But we would have to get lucky to get either of them in the draft. Through a trade, Iggy would be my choice. If not there, then possibly through free agency.

There is a kid in the draft, well, thats if he declares that I would take a flyer on. Thats Avery Bradley. He's an undersized SG/PG. At Texas he's playing SG. He's only 6'2" but has very long arms and a 40 plus vertical. He's one of those freak athlete's. He's also a terrific defender. Anyway, there are a lot of long term options out there. But Cisco, if healthy would be a nice temporary fill in, and then backup.
 
Garcia is a clubhouse guy. He is a clubhouse leader who is a team first guy. When he gets back on the court, he can assume the "GLUE" player role who keeps the team together. Cisco is a willing passer who can run the offense and set up others for shots. He is also a deep threat who teams will not leave wide open. He is a fiery competitor who leads by example and by his play. He isn't afraid to get into the young guys faces and let them know what to do.

My fear is that he will come back and be rusty for 15 games. That is most of whats left of the season! So the key will be how well he can play after being off for so long. I sure hope he doesn't take as long as Martin did to get his game going. Something tells me that he wont, being the competitor that he is. I'd like to see Cisco, Evans, and Martin on the floor together and see how that combo works. I think there would be a lot more ball movement,and the Kings are a better team when the ball is moving and everyone is getting touches.

The other thing is that Cisco obviously wont help with our front court problems. The logjam we have at the 2/3 needs to be parlayed into a serviceable big in a trade somehow. I HOPE that Petrie will make a trade and the Logjam will be lessened and the front court strengthened. That is what Petrie NEEDS to do, but how he will do it is anyone's guess. Who is really expendable? Casspi has to be off limits. I think Greene should be off limits too. No one wants Noc because of his contract. Same goes for Beno. There just isn't a lot of options unless Petrie can pull off a blockbuster trade that brings us a Quality Big man in return. If that is the case, then no one is untouchable.
 
I agree with mostly everyones comments. A healthy Cisco to me is pretty much Beno/Nocioni and Udoka all in one player. A leader who can shoot, play intense D and can handle the rock.

I kinda hope Garcia sits out the rest of the year then next year when guys like Sergio and Udokas contacts end and Noc is gone, hopefully Garcia can be the do all wing player we need.
 
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