what do we do?
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VF21 said:
I'm holding out for Kevin Garnett.
I don't remember who it was, but somebody said that we are "reloading, not rebuilding." I know that is just symantics, but I do like it better than a complete overhaul. I really believe that Chris and Doug's trade was to help make major moves this summer. That is why I am not all that upset about our early exit from the play offs this year. I don't see Petrie getting rid of Bibby or Miller, but anyone else is free game. Im my opinion, if we cannot sign Peja to an extension this summer, we will have to trade him. We cannot lose him to free agency and not get anything in return. We do not have a lot of cap space and since I do not see the Maloofs going spending crazy again anytime soon, big trades will have to happen to put us into contention again. We must make some big changes, especially on the defensive end. I am almost looking forward to seeing what is going to happen. I HATE having to wait so long in the summer to officially begin seeing our new team form. Let's face it, the Kings we all knew and love are a thing of the past. It will be time for us to embrace a new team, with a new "window of opportunity."
Most people seem to be focusing on Peja so I will add my comments with the below statement first. Lets note this is the first real trade players thread I have entertained all year. I think its time to start the talk
Petrie obviously has a vision for this team. I think his moves this year showed us some of that vision. In Petrie I trust so I won't second guess what he does. Like VF I think this will be a 2-3 year process but I also think it won't take a lot to get us back in the mix.
While I cannot stand Peja's vanishing act. I think using him as the #3 option can be a lot more effective. Right now everyone expects him to be the #1 or #2 option and that is just not who he is.
Options on the floor as I see it:
#1 = Yet to be named superstar/elite player
#2 = Bibby
#3 = Peja or trade Peja in a package deal for an elite SF/PF
#4 = Miller
#5 = Possibly Evans? Or trade for a SG that has D skills like DC. Possibly start giving Kmart some more min to groom him for that starting spot.
Keep some of our bench. Darius, Skinner... Get rid of Tag, House (unless we can keep him for min salary) Either Bobby or Corliss as the #6 man. I think Bobby prolly has more trade value as well as K9. K9 has posted nothing but double double after double double and could have some decent trade value. Cat could be used in a possible sign and trade.
I would trade anyone except Bibb if it was for an elite player.
Petrie obviously has a vision for this team. I think his moves this year showed us some of that vision. In Petrie I trust so I won't second guess what he does. Like VF I think this will be a 2-3 year process but I also think it won't take a lot to get us back in the mix.
While I cannot stand Peja's vanishing act. I think using him as the #3 option can be a lot more effective. Right now everyone expects him to be the #1 or #2 option and that is just not who he is.
Options on the floor as I see it:
#1 = Yet to be named superstar/elite player
#2 = Bibby
#3 = Peja or trade Peja in a package deal for an elite SF/PF
#4 = Miller
#5 = Possibly Evans? Or trade for a SG that has D skills like DC. Possibly start giving Kmart some more min to groom him for that starting spot.
Keep some of our bench. Darius, Skinner... Get rid of Tag, House (unless we can keep him for min salary) Either Bobby or Corliss as the #6 man. I think Bobby prolly has more trade value as well as K9. K9 has posted nothing but double double after double double and could have some decent trade value. Cat could be used in a possible sign and trade.
I would trade anyone except Bibb if it was for an elite player.
My thought is we're going to have to give value for value. If we even seriously think about Kevin Garnett, we aren't going to be able to get him without it hurting at least a little. Bobby IS valuable, that's what makes it a possibility.
They aren't happy with the Alien, so sending Bobby AND Peja and whatever else it takes just might make it tempting to Kevin McHale. Who knows what kind of magic Petrie might be able to cast?
They aren't happy with the Alien, so sending Bobby AND Peja and whatever else it takes just might make it tempting to Kevin McHale. Who knows what kind of magic Petrie might be able to cast?
Honestly for KG I would trade anyone on the roster even Bibby and build around KG. He is the type of player that can make a franchise or take a franchise if its built and coached properly. AKA Petrie and RA... KG is young enough to have plenty of years left and is one of the best players in the league.
HAHA I might even trade my wife to MN to get him here! HAHAHA Glad she doesn't read forums! <--- Just kidding of course
HAHA I might even trade my wife to MN to get him here! HAHAHA Glad she doesn't read forums! <--- Just kidding of course
Sacramento Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
12.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 29.7 minutes
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.2 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
4.8 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 19.2 minutes
Incoming
Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy HS (IL)
22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
Jerome Williams
6-9 PF from Georgetown
4.5 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: -20.9 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and -0.0 apg.
Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy HS (IL)
22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami
15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes
Incoming
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
4.8 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 19.2 minutes
Anfernee Hardaway
6-7 SG from Memphis
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.2 minutes
Mike Sweetney
6-8 PF from Georgetown
8.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +2.9 ppg, +0.6 rpg, and -2.5 apg.
New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Anfernee Hardaway
6-7 SG from Memphis
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.2 minutes
Mike Sweetney
6-8 PF from Georgetown
8.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.6 minutes
Jerome Williams
6-9 PF from Georgetown
4.5 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.3 minutes
Incoming
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
12.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 29.7 minutes
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.2 minutes
Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami
15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +18.0 ppg, +3.2 rpg, and +2.5 apg.
Holy $#%$
Who needs a Petrie?
Note: Skinner is used in place of Bobby because realgm won't let me mess around with Bobby's contract. I figure his is close enough and there would likely be some draft picks and cash thrown around as well.
I like JYD too, and I'd live with his contract if it meant we got KG.
T-Wolves get instant cheap offense in Peja (who may also be expiring) and a young post talent in Sweetney.
Isiah Thomas is just stupid, I guess he does this to lose Penny and JYD's contracts, he'll probably tweak tons more and wouldn't mind Corliss and Kenny's smaller, more tradable deals.
Outgoing
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
12.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 29.7 minutes
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.2 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
4.8 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 19.2 minutes
Incoming
Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy HS (IL)
22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
Jerome Williams
6-9 PF from Georgetown
4.5 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.3 minutes
Change in team outlook: -20.9 ppg, -3.8 rpg, and -0.0 apg.
Minnesota Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Kevin Garnett
6-11 PF from Farragut Academy HS (IL)
22.2 ppg, 13.5 rpg, 5.7 apg in 38.0 minutes
Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami
15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes
Incoming
Peja Stojakovic
6-10 SF from Yugoslavia
20.1 ppg, 4.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 38.4 minutes
Brian Skinner
6-9 PF from Baylor
4.8 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 0.9 apg in 19.2 minutes
Anfernee Hardaway
6-7 SG from Memphis
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.2 minutes
Mike Sweetney
6-8 PF from Georgetown
8.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +2.9 ppg, +0.6 rpg, and -2.5 apg.
New York Trade Breakdown
Outgoing
Anfernee Hardaway
6-7 SG from Memphis
7.3 ppg, 2.4 rpg, 2.0 apg in 24.2 minutes
Mike Sweetney
6-8 PF from Georgetown
8.4 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 0.6 apg in 19.6 minutes
Jerome Williams
6-9 PF from Georgetown
4.5 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 0.5 apg in 15.3 minutes
Incoming
Kenny Thomas
6-7 PF from New Mexico
12.4 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 2.1 apg in 29.7 minutes
Corliss Williamson
6-7 SF from Arkansas
10.3 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 1.1 apg in 21.2 minutes
Wally Szczerbiak
6-7 SF from Miami
15.5 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in 31.6 minutes
Change in team outlook: +18.0 ppg, +3.2 rpg, and +2.5 apg.
Holy $#%$
Who needs a Petrie?
Note: Skinner is used in place of Bobby because realgm won't let me mess around with Bobby's contract. I figure his is close enough and there would likely be some draft picks and cash thrown around as well.
I like JYD too, and I'd live with his contract if it meant we got KG.
T-Wolves get instant cheap offense in Peja (who may also be expiring) and a young post talent in Sweetney.
Isiah Thomas is just stupid, I guess he does this to lose Penny and JYD's contracts, he'll probably tweak tons more and wouldn't mind Corliss and Kenny's smaller, more tradable deals.
Kings lineup (we would proceed to bring back Evans, Mobley, and Songaila, and House maybe or possibly a cheap PG like Steve Blake) would be
Miller
KG
Evans?
Mobley?
Bibby
Minny:
Kandi
Sweetney
Peja
Hassell
Bobby
They'd then have flexibility to ship out Alien or Hudson. They'll have a ton of room in 06 when Bobby, Peja, Penny, Sam (if not traded) and Kandi's deals all expire.
NY:
Hell, who cares about the Knicks?
Miller
KG
Evans?
Mobley?
Bibby
Minny:
Kandi
Sweetney
Peja
Hassell
Bobby
They'd then have flexibility to ship out Alien or Hudson. They'll have a ton of room in 06 when Bobby, Peja, Penny, Sam (if not traded) and Kandi's deals all expire.
NY:
Hell, who cares about the Knicks?
I will like to add that I agree with the pipedream consensus of trying to get KG at all costs. Let's reach for the sky and set our sights on hoping Petrie can get a deal done. As I've already posted previously, I've read in SI that Minny might put KG on the market rather than go through the expensive process of rebuilding around him. SI also said the trade partner would have to take Hudson and Wally in the deal so maybe it would turn into a possible 3 team trade.
If we can't get KG, then it's time to move on to the 2nd tier players to see what we can get.
If we can't get KG, then it's time to move on to the 2nd tier players to see what we can get.
Peja and Miller for KG works under the cap. That's two All-Stars for one, and I'd do it in a heartbeat. You move Skinner to Center, Garnett plays Power Forward and Kenny Thomas moves to small forward. The Kings are instantly one of the best rebounding and shotblocking front lines in the NBA. KG plays help defense/goalie when Skinner is outsized (which really doesn't happen that often any more). Your bench is Corliss, Darius, Ostertag, Bobby and Evans/Martin/House. Bibby, Cuttino and KG are a championship-caliber core. Would Minnesota do it? I doubt it, but I can dream.
Edit - For some reason, this trade doesn't work on RealGM any more. It worked earlier in the year and you can see the salaries are close, so let's assume it works the way it is or with cap filler.
Edit - For some reason, this trade doesn't work on RealGM any more. It worked earlier in the year and you can see the salaries are close, so let's assume it works the way it is or with cap filler.
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The thing is though, that leaves US rebuilding around KG, and I'm not sold that that is a good idea. I've stated in other threads why I think that, but it's kind of like rebuilding around Kobe. And he kills your cap, dead. He's a former MVP, but depending on how this summer shakes out, we might finally have some serious cap space in 2006 to make a run at all those big names. My major thing is that KG has not worked for Minnesota, so why would he bring us championships? But, convinve me. What is the advantage to completely demolishing the team and acquiring KG rather than retool and concentrate some of the talent?
I know, LP...and hard as it may be for long-time members to believe, I may actually participate in those conceptual trade threads WITHOUT threatening to hack up my own spleen.
The team is going to rebuild. Not because we're unhappy with a couple of players or just bitter because we didn't win it all. We're rebuilding because it's time to rebuild. That's exciting. It's like being able to draw up the plans for that dream house you've always wanted without having to worry about actually paying for it.
The team is going to rebuild. Not because we're unhappy with a couple of players or just bitter because we didn't win it all. We're rebuilding because it's time to rebuild. That's exciting. It's like being able to draw up the plans for that dream house you've always wanted without having to worry about actually paying for it.
VF21 said:
I would sure hate to give up Miller in the deal.
I wonder how many possible combinations we can come up with between now and draft day.
And I also wonder if every single one of them will actually get posted.
I wonder how many possible combinations we can come up with between now and draft day.
And I also wonder if every single one of them will actually get posted.
I shudder at the thought of TDOS.