What Big Man Was There???
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Just keep a few names in mind. I'm not saying these guys are going to turn out to be better than Garcia, but they will get the chance to prove themselves at some point and you know how the draft is:
Johan Petro
Ian Mahinmi (only because the Spurs took him and they've been nearly flawless the past few years)
Wayne Simien
David Lee
Mile Ilic
Those are just five names that I think are worth keeping an eye on.
These guys are all supposed to be able to do things that we lack, but if you look at each one there is either a question about his game as it is right now, or the guy is younger than 20 years old and a few years away from starting to become a finished product.
I can understand (and have said) that we need to get a contributor out of this draft, someone who can step in and play every day this year, but that can sometimes burn you. Letting a talent slip to try and get someone who's more "NBA ready". Luke Jackson, Kirk Snyder, Devin Harris and Kris Humphries were all supposed to be some of the most "NBA ready" prospects in last year's draft.
Johan Petro
Ian Mahinmi (only because the Spurs took him and they've been nearly flawless the past few years)
Wayne Simien
David Lee
Mile Ilic
Those are just five names that I think are worth keeping an eye on.
These guys are all supposed to be able to do things that we lack, but if you look at each one there is either a question about his game as it is right now, or the guy is younger than 20 years old and a few years away from starting to become a finished product.
I can understand (and have said) that we need to get a contributor out of this draft, someone who can step in and play every day this year, but that can sometimes burn you. Letting a talent slip to try and get someone who's more "NBA ready". Luke Jackson, Kirk Snyder, Devin Harris and Kris Humphries were all supposed to be some of the most "NBA ready" prospects in last year's draft.
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I have serious doubts about Petro. I see a Francisco Elson type player in him. MAYBE in a couple years, he will be a decent backup center. But once again, I can't be on board with any draft pick when one of the drawbacks is a lack of passion or heart. I see bust written all over this guy.
I'm not going to pretend I know anything about this kid. It WILL be interesting to see what kind of player he is, just to see if the Spurs pulled another rabbit out of their collective hats.
This is one of the only guys the Kings might regret passing on, but I'm not sure. Of course, he IS undersized and has had some injury problems so we'll see. I like him as a player, but I don't know about whether I like him as a Kings player.
May or may not be a player in the NBA, but regardless, I don't think he was the type of player the Kings need. I see Mark Madsen with better offense.
Here's a guy that really intrigued me. I would have gambled on him at 23, but then it's not my job on the line. It sounds like he could be a center on the level of Krstic, although a different type of player. If so, that's a much better pick than another shooting guard, even if the eventual payoff is a couple years away.
Ronny Turiaf is another guy to keep an eye on. I think he has limited potential, but he might be able to provide some rebounding, toughness and possibly some inside scoring.
Personally, I am not upset with the pick. What I WANTED to see though, was Petrie trade up when a number of guys that could have helped started slipping. It may have cost the Kings a guy like Bobby Jackson, but at least moving up to grab a kid like Gerald Green would have given me some cause for excitment.
I'm not going to pretend I know anything about this kid. It WILL be interesting to see what kind of player he is, just to see if the Spurs pulled another rabbit out of their collective hats.
This is one of the only guys the Kings might regret passing on, but I'm not sure. Of course, he IS undersized and has had some injury problems so we'll see. I like him as a player, but I don't know about whether I like him as a Kings player.
May or may not be a player in the NBA, but regardless, I don't think he was the type of player the Kings need. I see Mark Madsen with better offense.
Here's a guy that really intrigued me. I would have gambled on him at 23, but then it's not my job on the line. It sounds like he could be a center on the level of Krstic, although a different type of player. If so, that's a much better pick than another shooting guard, even if the eventual payoff is a couple years away.
Ronny Turiaf is another guy to keep an eye on. I think he has limited potential, but he might be able to provide some rebounding, toughness and possibly some inside scoring.
Personally, I am not upset with the pick. What I WANTED to see though, was Petrie trade up when a number of guys that could have helped started slipping. It may have cost the Kings a guy like Bobby Jackson, but at least moving up to grab a kid like Gerald Green would have given me some cause for excitment.
Well, the two French bigs were intriguing, and France tends to put out some good talent, Weis aside, but both those kids are at least 2-3 years away. As stated earlier Lee may or may not catch on, and he's definitely not a guy we need, more like a Luke Walton. . .no thanks. Ilic, I don't know much about. He seems worth a flyer in the second round, which is where he went. I think the Darko and Skita picks have had a dramatic impact on the Eastern European talent pool. They are being scrutinized a lot more than previously, and if there is not a lot of game tape on them they slip into the second. I think Korolev(?) went lottery due to his pedigree. Dad is a former pro and coach, great skill set, speaks great English(shoot, he carried on a conversation with Stu Scott, which even I could not do). So, despite limited competition, there's not much more risk associated with him than with a kid like Webster out of Seattle. Turiaf just wasn't a first round talent I think. I talked him up earlier, but as the draft progressed it became apparent that a guy as limited as he is would simply not be taken that high.
But, this all gets back to my point. There were HUGE question marks associated with every big available, whereas Garcia is a known commodity at a position of need. On top of that, there is some solid young talent at the PF spot in FA this year.
But, this all gets back to my point. There were HUGE question marks associated with every big available, whereas Garcia is a known commodity at a position of need. On top of that, there is some solid young talent at the PF spot in FA this year.
You know, it's not inconceivable to trade up for a better pick; I have it on good authority that there's precedent for that sort of thing...
Garcia may develop into a good player, but he does not address this team's deficiencies; if Petrie didn't think that he could get a player that would with the 23rd pick, shouldn't he have considered negotiating for a higher one?
Garcia may develop into a good player, but he does not address this team's deficiencies; if Petrie didn't think that he could get a player that would with the 23rd pick, shouldn't he have considered negotiating for a higher one?
Biased much?
Seriously he's in for a whole new world just like every other rookie. Instead playing Lafayatte, Kentucky Wesleyan and Lindsey Wilson(???), he'll be up against Kobe, Jason Richardson, Joe Johnson, Ray Allen & Manu Ginobili most nights.
Just be glad if he gets off the bench and contributes.
Seriously he's in for a whole new world just like every other rookie. Instead playing Lafayatte, Kentucky Wesleyan and Lindsey Wilson(???), he'll be up against Kobe, Jason Richardson, Joe Johnson, Ray Allen & Manu Ginobili most nights.
Just be glad if he gets off the bench and contributes.
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Yep.
UL fans have every right to be excited and happy about their guy. I grant them that. Instead of making judgments now about how good Garcia will be as a King, how much better he is than anyone currently on our roster (Kevin was a 20s pick last year, remember) or things like that, I'm gonna wait and see what happens. Hopefully we'll all be happy with the outcome.
Yep.
UL fans have every right to be excited and happy about their guy. I grant them that. Instead of making judgments now about how good Garcia will be as a King, how much better he is than anyone currently on our roster (Kevin was a 20s pick last year, remember) or things like that, I'm gonna wait and see what happens. Hopefully we'll all be happy with the outcome.
Same here. I rarely bash a guy before seeing him play and conversely try not to get too excited about a new player until he hits the floor and shows what he can do at this level. I like what I have been hearing so far and would love for him to be a productive guy for our team. Don't want to get TOO excited about his presence in the team yet, though, I want to see how he does in camp first.
The Kings have had just way too many picks go south to get too excited yet.
The Kings have had just way too many picks go south to get too excited yet.
Well the fact is, I watched Garcia scrimmage against CURRENT NBA players and throughtout the season. I also watched Martin in college and for the Kings, and Garcia is better, plain and simple. Martin is a good backup and I'm glad he is on the team. To imply that Garcia sucks b/c he was there at number 23 is ignorant. Every analyst including Stephen A. Smith agreed Garcia is a steal and shouldn't have slipped. He slipped due to Felton and Villinueva going so high, it screwed the draft up.
1) you just quoted Steven A. Smith as an authority. You should be careful about that.
2) your primary alleigance is to Garcia. Mine/ours is to the Kings. Our interests converge since Cisco is now a King, but the fact of the matter is that if he had been drafted by Minnesota you would be talking him up on a Minnesota board right now. Having no particular interest in whetehr Cisco succeeds or fails, but a great interest in whether the Kings succeed or fail, we are quite obviously going to take a wider perspective and be concerned about whether he was the right pick or not.
2) your primary alleigance is to Garcia. Mine/ours is to the Kings. Our interests converge since Cisco is now a King, but the fact of the matter is that if he had been drafted by Minnesota you would be talking him up on a Minnesota board right now. Having no particular interest in whetehr Cisco succeeds or fails, but a great interest in whether the Kings succeed or fail, we are quite obviously going to take a wider perspective and be concerned about whether he was the right pick or not.
To get one of the top big men we would have had to move up to at least #13 in order to get May, who I like alot, but has big question marks. What would you have been willing to give up to move that high, a ten spot jump? Keep in mind that everyone knows that a 2006 first rounder is worthless, especially from a team like the Kings who "should" be in the playoffs. The rest of our squad is overpriced, old and injured(B-Jax), or part of the "core". I'm all for trading Peja, but not for freaking Sean May. I imagine Petrie was working the phones, I just don't think he had the ammo to move up. . .not this year.
To the best of my knowledge he's never moved up, EVER. Not once. Nor moved down either. Geoff is just not a draft guru. Not where he does his work, and frankly I'm not sure how much focus/effort he puts in it. Get somebody he likes, go home. I am not at all confident it even occured to him to move up. He prefers to deal in proven commodities, and has been pretty casual in tossing around the picks we do have in even relatively minor trades. You're not putting a real high premium on them when you are throwing them into deals for Mateen Clevaes or even to get RID of a contributing player like Keon Clark. All in all, wouldn't surprise me if Geoff was just glad the draft was over so he could concentrate on what he considers the real work.
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This isn't the NFL draft. Moving down to stockpile picks is pointless, and moving up takes significant trade fodder, especially the year before the 2006 Draft, which has already been anointed as the worst ever. As methodical as Petrie is, I really doubt he sits around on his *** until the Kings pick comes up. Brick, you have been uncharacteristically irrational all week in regards to this draft, and entirely evasive. You still have not mentioned a player you would have preferred at #23 or a guy you would have traded up for. I think you may have alluded to Granger and Green at one point, but nobody in the mid-high teens was budging once they saw the players slipping. In this draft you had to move all the way up to the lottery if you were targeting a specific player.
Hmmm....sounds like Brick just done got called out!
I'm gonna go get me some popcorn
Please excuse Brick though, he at least sticks to his guns. He saw this pick coming months and months ago, he didn't like it then, and doesn't like it now. For that I give him some serious props.
I think we are all a little testy b/c we have all heard soo many times from the Kings brass that this team needs to get better defensively. Than they do something, at least on surface appearence, contradicts those statements. I for one think this pick was brilliant, sure Garcia may stink the joint up when he gets time in the NBA, but from what I have seen and heard, it doesn't look likely to me.
I'm gonna go get me some popcorn
Please excuse Brick though, he at least sticks to his guns. He saw this pick coming months and months ago, he didn't like it then, and doesn't like it now. For that I give him some serious props.
I think we are all a little testy b/c we have all heard soo many times from the Kings brass that this team needs to get better defensively. Than they do something, at least on surface appearence, contradicts those statements. I for one think this pick was brilliant, sure Garcia may stink the joint up when he gets time in the NBA, but from what I have seen and heard, it doesn't look likely to me.
I think that might be part of it but I think some people are over-reacting about some of the reactions to Garcia.
We're a fan board. I can't remember the last time we all agreed on something. Why should this be any different? Some are ecstatic about Garcia being selected, some are okay with the pick, some really wish Petrie had gone for a big guy, and some just want to wait and see.
Why does one opinion have to be the correct one? It's not "bashing" the pick. It's stating an opinion. If someone says they aren't that happy, that's their opinion. You may want them to say more, but if they don't, that's cool, too...
We're a fan board. I can't remember the last time we all agreed on something. Why should this be any different? Some are ecstatic about Garcia being selected, some are okay with the pick, some really wish Petrie had gone for a big guy, and some just want to wait and see.
Why does one opinion have to be the correct one? It's not "bashing" the pick. It's stating an opinion. If someone says they aren't that happy, that's their opinion. You may want them to say more, but if they don't, that's cool, too...