We Could Extend an Offer Sheet To This Guy

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Due a QO from Den.

Now, he had been a clown most of his career, albeit surrounding by crap in Wash, but the talent has always been there, and has been on display the last two playoff games on a national stage, although I do watch some Den games on LP.

I'm not sure if I would even offer him a contract, but it is an interesting idea. Maybe he just needed a change of scenery. Wouldn't be the first. Maybe he's settled down around George Karl and other vet players. I could go into culture and how much of a difference it can make, and how poor ours is, but won't here.:D

He is the type of player who would fit well next to Cuz. Young, athletic, block shots, alters many others, finishes strong, good on the glass, and doesn't look for his shot often. Has upside.

I'm not aware of any other shotblocker/defensive presence/good rebounder near his level, who is young with upside, that is even an option for us. Maybe the draft solves that. If not?

Daly is an option, but not sure Petrie will go there. I like Varajeo, but his injuries are worrisome, and not sure what it would take to get him. A guy like Udoh could be interesting, but he's not at McGee's level and would take quite a bit of patience to develop further. Guys like Camby/Przybilla would be short term rentals.

If McGee had his head on straight, and I've been impressed with him in Den, a McGee/Cuz frontline could absolutely dominate. As I said, just an idea....
 
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If we had some vet leadership on the roster as well as a good coach I'd consider it...

But considering our team is a bunch of low BBIQ goofballs, and we have Smart....I'll pass.
 
Been raised a few times before. The problem is that he might just be the dumbest player in the NBA but the skillset fit is there. Has length, athleticism, shot blocking ability, good rebounder, is not a high usage player, could guard PFs and Cs. However, he is lazy, dumb and has inflated opinion of his worth (wasn't it reported that he is looking at $14 million per season) and despite his great shot blocking ability, he is not a great defender.

Has enough tools for me to be intrigued but at the right price. The problem is we would need the type of coach that would get the best out of him and I don't think we have that.

If I was McGee, I would be sticking around in Denver as I could not see a coach who could help me more than George Karl.
 
lol. Only a member of the shotblocking cult would suggest getting McGee. He's an absolutely HORRID defender (you don't even want to see his synergy stats), his offensive game consists of dunking, he's the stupidest player in the NBA, and he thinks he's worth 14 mil.

I'm all for a rim protector, but let's get someone who actually knows how to play defense. He's the the poster child of someone thinking Blocks=good post defender
 
He will never be strong enough to become a good post defender. As a weak-side defender he's good but he's not a potential All-Defensive team member. He will get there a few times though anyway.
 
Oh good god not McGee. He's from UNR where I went briefly and I don't even like the guy. He's an idiot, and a terrible defender.
 
Its not often that you can say that some one's mother is a better basketball player, but in McGee's case, its true. I personally think Whiteside (yes, we already have a project) has more upside than McGee, and he was a better shotblocker in college.
 
Despite the dumbest plays that he showcased in his Washington days, he's just 24 and still have room to grow both skill and IQ wise.

If he'll come to us at around 10M per, he'll be a good pick-up. Gravity-wise he's DMC's opposite. The kid can jump higher than any big man in the league right now. For all the blocked lay-ups this team has suffered, he'll be guy you need to throw it down hard from above.

And for the die-hard Kingsfans out there, Chris Webber coached this kid in the dunk contest that he should have won over Blake "the flop city" Griffin.:cool::cool::cool:
 
I've seen teams identify him as a defensive weakness and attack him with success. as soon as he has to rotate correctly, McGee is helplessly lost and his offensive game is terrifyingly bad. apparently he has made some strides in Denver after having a contract year for the ages (as in how much you could possibly do wrong) in Washington, but that is a completely different culture than in Sacto. as others have said, with the personnel we have here, be it team or coaching staff, McGee would be bound for another Wizard like season and that is exactly what this team doesn't need. nevermind that the Maloofs couldn't afford him anyway.
 
no way we are bringing this guy on for more than 5 mill per year. if we need a shot bloacker we have one on the bench that is barely getting any minutes.
 
Heck NO! I just got a new flat screen and im not about to risk it for McGee the last one barely made through the JT years.
 
Remember this is a guy who's agent said he would be looking for a max contract a few months ago, so he's jsut flat going to be out of our price range.

Otherwise perfect skillset for what we need. Not so perfect brainset. If he were actually acquirable, I mean really out there and affordable...be an interesting question. Pairing two such vastly immature guys as Cousins and McGee up front could be catastrophe, leading to infighting and us becoming a punchline. On the other hand, the skillset is there, and he has showed well in his first playoffs here, which is a place most of the rest of our team only dreams of reaching.
 
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Remember this is a guy who's agent said he would be looking for a max contract a few months ago, so he's jsut flat going to be out of our price range.

Otherwise perfect skillset for what we need. Not so perfect brainset. If he were actually acquirable, I mean really out there and affordable...be an interesting question. Pairing two such vastly immature guys as Cousins and McGee up front could be catastrophe, leading to infighting and us becoming a punchline. On the other hand, the skillset is there, and he has showed well in his first playoffs here, which is a place most of the rest of our team only dreams of reaching.
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^ We already are, so we've got nothing to lose
 
The term 'Fool's Gold' is dedicated to Javale McGee, with his boxscore numbers(esp block shots) + skills-set and physical/athletic attributes.

Does more harm then good. HELL no.
 
I think the TNT crew had it right last night while discussing McGee.

He is now surrounded by Veteran guys and more importantly a veteran coach in Karl who has the clout to be one of the few 'my way or the highway' coaches still around.
And they believe, which I also agree with to a large extent, is that his elevated level of play in the play-offs is greatly due to the maturity of the coach and the organization.

He has the skillset that we need, but when you factor in how much he will be demanding, then consider whether the Kings organization has the maturity and stability to get the most out of him, I just don't see it working.

It would be great to begin to get 15 minutes out of Whiteside next season to see if we have anything there.
 
The bottom line is that McGee has little or no BBIQ. He doesn't know how to play the game of basketball at the NBA level. And its not as though he's a rookie. I agree wholeheartedly with Uncia03, that he's playing well because he's surrounded by vet players and has a coach that won't tolerate nonsense. That would not be the atmosphere on the Kings. The idea of throwing 10 mil at a player like McGee just makes my head spin. You would have to be out of your mind to give a player like that, 10 mil a year.
 
bajaden said:
The bottom line is that McGee has little or no BBIQ. He doesn't know how to play the game of basketball at the NBA level. And its not as though he's a rookie. I agree wholeheartedly with Uncia03, that he's playing well because he's surrounded by vet players and has a coach that won't tolerate nonsense. That would not be the atmosphere on the Kings. The idea of throwing 10 mil at a player like McGee just makes my head spin. You would have to be out of your mind to give a player like that, 10 mil a year.
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Double D. from the movie Renaissance Man. He's a smaller more athletic version of Whiteside.
 
No. Mcgee is pure ****. I would much rather throw Whiteside into the fire for 20-25 minutes a game and see what he can do rather than give McGee anything to play here.
 
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rainmaker said:
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Due a QO from Den.

Now, he had been a clown most of his career, albeit surrounding by crap in Wash, but the talent has always been there, and has been on display the last two playoff games on a national stage, although I do watch some Den games on LP.

I'm not sure if I would even offer him a contract, but it is an interesting idea. Maybe he just needed a change of scenery. Wouldn't be the first. Maybe he's settled down around George Karl and other vet players. I could go into culture and how much of a difference it can make, and how poor ours is, but won't here.:D

He is the type of player who would fit well next to Cuz. Young, athletic, block shots, alters many others, finishes strong, good on the glass, and doesn't look for his shot often. Has upside.

I'm not aware of any other shotblocker/defensive presence/good rebounder near his level, who is young with upside, that is even an option for us. Maybe the draft solves that. If not?

Daly is an option, but not sure Petrie will go there. I like Varajeo, but his injuries are worrisome, and not sure what it would take to get him. A guy like Udoh could be interesting, but he's not at McGee's level and would take quite a bit of patience to develop further. Guys like Camby/Przybilla would be short term rentals.

If McGee had his head on straight, and I've been impressed with him in Den, a McGee/Cuz frontline could absolutely dominate. As I said, just an idea....
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McGee is dumber than a box of nails. "If McGee had his head on straight..." is, IMHO, a lot like saying "If pigs could fly..."
 
This reminds me of a few other conversation we have here. That younger players simply will never improve, coaching/surroundings mean nothing, and if you aren't impressing, you simply never will.

Now, this was just an idea, nothing I'm serious about. But someone tell me how the combined 16.5M we payed the awesome Salmons/Outlaw/Hayes trio this year, and are on the books for the next three seasons, is a better use of money? That doesn't mean I would offer him 10M per. Not sure I'd offer anything. But to just dismiss it, a skillset which could definitely help,(lets not forget how much our newest coaching addition helped Cuz/JT), a guy who has the tools and possibly the mental part can be improved through better coaching?

I've also seen little recognition of the improvements he's made since going to Den. Sure you can say he's an idiot, will never get it, that him getting it together is like saying pigs can fly, what have you, but that also tells me you just don't see the improvements which are pretty obvious to those in Den.

JWill was also never supposed to win anything. Cuz was such a headache a number here didn't want him. And that isn't to defend McGee, as he's made some pretty stupid decisions on the floor, but as with those two, changes of scenery can help, guys do mature, younger guys do learn, good coaching can help, and McGee is currently showing improvement as we speak, which to me at least shown he has the capability of learning and continuing to improve. If we ever got a good coach(even though I've been told here Smart is just fine so it shouldn't be an issue) then I might be more willing to take a chance on him.
 
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rainmaker said:
This reminds me of a few other conversation we have here. That younger players simply will never improve, coaching/surroundings mean nothing, and if you aren't impressing, you simply never will.

Now, this was just an idea, nothing I'm serious about. But someone tell me how the combined 16.5M we payed the awesome Salmons/Outlaw/Hayes trio this year, and are on the books for the next three seasons, is a better use of money? That doesn't mean I would offer him 10M per. Not sure I'd offer anything. But to just dismiss it, a skillset which could definitely help,(lets not forget how much our newest coaching addition helped Cuz/JT), a guy who has the tools and possibly the mental part can be improved through better coaching?

I've also seen little recognition of the improvements he's made since going to Den. Sure you can say he's an idiot, will never get it, that him getting it together is like saying pigs can fly, what have you, but that also tells me you just don't see the improvements which are pretty obvious to those in Den.

JWill was also never supposed to win anything. Cuz was such a headache a number here didn't want him. And that isn't to defend McGee, as he's made some pretty stupid decisions on the floor, but as with those two, changes of scenery can help, guys do mature, younger guys do learn, good coaching can help, and McGee is currently showing improvement as we speak, which to me at least shown he has the capability of learning and continuing to improve. If we ever got a good coach(even though I've been told here Smart is just fine so it shouldn't be an issue) then I might be more willing to take a chance on him.
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Just no. Not all ideas are good ones or need to be justified. McGee is purely a product of athleticism (and not in a good way). He has no offensive game to speak of (absolutely none), he doesn't understand defensive rotations, and he's a terrible man defender. I'd be willing to bet that 75% of the members on this board could do what McGee does on the court if we had his height and athleticism. This is also completely discounting the fact that he's a head-case who has shown no effort in trying to improve his game in the 4 years he's been in the NBA.

Sure, we've made bad personal decisions, but why does that mean we should continue to make worse ones? Some idiotic team will pay McGee at least 7mil+ and have to deal with him when he's worth around 2.
 
rainmaker said:
This reminds me of a few other conversation we have here. That younger players simply will never improve, coaching/surroundings mean nothing, and if you aren't impressing, you simply never will.

Now, this was just an idea, nothing I'm serious about. But someone tell me how the combined 16.5M we payed the awesome Salmons/Outlaw/Hayes trio this year, and are on the books for the next three seasons, is a better use of money? That doesn't mean I would offer him 10M per. Not sure I'd offer anything. But to just dismiss it, a skillset which could definitely help,(lets not forget how much our newest coaching addition helped Cuz/JT), a guy who has the tools and possibly the mental part can be improved through better coaching?

I've also seen little recognition of the improvements he's made since going to Den. Sure you can say he's an idiot, will never get it, that him getting it together is like saying pigs can fly, what have you, but that also tells me you just don't see the improvements which are pretty obvious to those in Den.

JWill was also never supposed to win anything. Cuz was such a headache a number here didn't want him. And that isn't to defend McGee, as he's made some pretty stupid decisions on the floor, but as with those two, changes of scenery can help, guys do mature, younger guys do learn, good coaching can help, and McGee is currently showing improvement as we speak, which to me at least shown he has the capability of learning and continuing to improve. If we ever got a good coach(even though I've been told here Smart is just fine so it shouldn't be an issue) then I might be more willing to take a chance on him.
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We don't have the coach to help McGee though. He should stay in Denver where George Karl can help him out. He's pretty talented. He wouldn't do any better under Smart so it'd be a waste of money. I'm not even sure what the point is to speculating who the Kings will sign, the Maloofs aren't spending money period IMO. It's why we're stuck with Keith Stupid.
 
rainmaker said:
This reminds me of a few other conversation we have here. That younger players simply will never improve, coaching/surroundings mean nothing, and if you aren't impressing, you simply never will.

Now, this was just an idea, nothing I'm serious about. But someone tell me how the combined 16.5M we payed the awesome Salmons/Outlaw/Hayes trio this year, and are on the books for the next three seasons, is a better use of money? That doesn't mean I would offer him 10M per. Not sure I'd offer anything. But to just dismiss it, a skillset which could definitely help,(lets not forget how much our newest coaching addition helped Cuz/JT), a guy who has the tools and possibly the mental part can be improved through better coaching?

I've also seen little recognition of the improvements he's made since going to Den. Sure you can say he's an idiot, will never get it, that him getting it together is like saying pigs can fly, what have you, but that also tells me you just don't see the improvements which are pretty obvious to those in Den.

JWill was also never supposed to win anything. Cuz was such a headache a number here didn't want him. And that isn't to defend McGee, as he's made some pretty stupid decisions on the floor, but as with those two, changes of scenery can help, guys do mature, younger guys do learn, good coaching can help, and McGee is currently showing improvement as we speak, which to me at least shown he has the capability of learning and continuing to improve. If we ever got a good coach(even though I've been told here Smart is just fine so it shouldn't be an issue) then I might be more willing to take a chance on him.
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Can we agree that he's a project. And if so, do you pay 10 mil a year to a project? I only use that figure because someone threw that out there. Now if he wants to come here and sign for project money, then fine. Then he's worth the risk. I'll admit that none of the players you mentioned are 7 foot, and can block shots. But all of the players you mentioned are better basketball players than McGee.

Let me ask you a question. A lot of this McGee talk has been generated by his performance in a playoff game. So using that analogy, why don't we throw big money at Hawes and bring him back. He just had two terrific back to back playoff games. Plus, I would guess that Hawes BBIQ is a tad higher than McGee's. Look, I have nothing against McGee. I just don't think he's a very good basketball player. He wasn't a very good basketball player at UNR, and to be honest, he hasn't progressed much since then.
 
Glenn said:
He says one style of dunk reminds him of Connie Hawkins. Has anyone here seen Connie Hawkins? I doubt it.
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Ahhhh, yes! Which dates me I suspose, but then I saw Wilt, Russell, O. Robertson etc, all play. I was a St. Louis Hawks fan at the time, and my favorite player was Bob Pettit, who I had the good fortune to know personally. Connie by the way, looked nothing like McGee, and comparing McGee to Hawkins, is a large insult to Hawkins.
 
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